by far the best post describing both team...

Messi deserve both goal is almost single handed score the second goal ,first score is assisted by affelay,I agree on your first point ,2nd point what I felt is reasonable because of first point ....just like u say the game is over conservative and harsh too deep on defend ...c Ronaldo also frustrate when his teammate keep standing not moving infront ...

This post has been edited by Sebastiank21: Apr 29 2011, 05:06 PM

Talking bout the messi 2nd goal .. it was funny recalling this ... when messi scored 2nd goal, i was so into it, my 4am morning natural reaction, was from sofa lying down .. to automatically jumped up, both hands applausing messi for the fantastic individual goal ...
For me, Messi.. truly a legend already..

from what I saw, Pepe's intention is on the ball.. and Alves' intention is to fool the referee ....

Yeah, we never know the real intention from Pepe, only he can say about that. But, it is obvious that the referee saw Alves in "pain" that makes him to make that vital decision.

Y always blame rerefee instead of pepe,he is the cause ...or else noThing will happen no one red card ....if pepe no side kick how alves want to act ?

This post has been edited by Sebastiank21: Apr 29 2011, 05:17 PM

even marcelo and arbeloa no hit busquet and arbeloa..they still can act

oscar winners can act with no 1 beside them...

and no ppl blame referee...ppl blame play acting...

This post has been edited by gamer4life: Apr 29 2011, 07:01 PM

S is how when u play with fire ,harsh ,no one to blame pepe behavior if not alves wouldn't have chance to act

scenario:

during exam, a teacher is supervising the students lazily

then a student tried to cheat and he succeeded

bcos the other student beside him... place the exam paper near to him accidentally...

then teacher caught the 2nd student and gave him a 0 mark

while the student tempted to cheat get away with it

he said: no...it's not my fault... it's because he put it so near to me...i couldn't help to look at the answer ...it's his fault to create this chance 2 me

to his frens...

Move on.

Saturday's match against Zaragoza.

Mourinho has called up 19 players for Saturday's match against Zaragoza. Ramos, Arbeloa, Di Maria and Adebayor have been tabbed for duty after sitting at last weekend at Mestalla. Gago and Khedira remain unavailable due to injury, while Ronaldo Lass, Alonso, Albiol and Pedro Leon have been left off the squad list due to a coaching decision.

REAL MADRID SQUAD LIST:
Goalkeepers: Casillas, Dudek, Adan.
Defenders: Carvalho, Pepe, Sergio Ramos, Marcelo, Arbeloa, Garay, Nacho.
Midfielders: Granero, Kaka, Canales, Di Maria, Ozil, Juanfran.
Forwards: Adebayor, Higuain, Benzema.

Then Tuesday's nite our 5th El-Classico this season. Another 90minutes with different squad & strategy. Hala Madrid

el-clasico quite boring. low tempo

barca keep possessing ball and no urgency from RM players.

Well, after see few pages debate, bro Sebastian, is either your English understanding is low or you are Barcelona die hard fans/ Real Madrid die hard haters. Just keep deny the facts without any proof. "Taekwondo" play must issue red card? Then I guess Gattuso and De Jong every match also get red card if follow your theory. If Pepe also consider as violent players, then i don't how categorize Shawcross, De jong or Gattuso. Super violent? From few pages debate, I never see posters here blame for referee.Why, because we all know in such tense match, referee is very hard to make correct decisions and is harsh to put the blame on referee. All here blame for Alves's play acting that lead to the poor decision, still your reply is don't blame referee. Other people say this while you say another thing. Does they say Messi two goals are undeserved? You can ask every single fans from the A-Z clubs, all also say Messi two goals are brilliant especially 2nd goal. Since they can accept that Messi two goals are deserved, and you still can't accept the facts that Alves pro play acting. Be sportsmanship, don't just one dimensional debate,only you right and others all wrong.

Barca fans should stop defending Alves. It's pathetic seriously.
You guys seem to have missed the most important point ie the ball was bouncing and was there to be won. If the ball was on the ground for example then you could have questioned Pepe's intention and a red would have been justified. I would be the first to criticise him if he did that.

And people who are saying if there was contact it would have ended Alves' career have no idea what they are talking about. Firstly it wasn't a sliding challenge where you lose control of your momentum. And players wear shin guards for precisely tackles like this one. People exaggerating the tackle like it was a De Jong kung fu kick just to defend the actions of Alves should go switch to another sport. Football is a contact sport. Aggressive tackling is as much part of the game as crisp passing.

You want to see a far dangerous tackle try this one:


This was from the CdR match.
Foot high at knee height. No where near the ball. Yet not even a yellow card. And yet Barca fans with their rose tinted glasses will somehow find a way to excuse it.

This Barca team is a great team. And I've seen my fair share of great teams. But they have to be also the most classless team I've seen in so many years of watching football. Hounding the refs like a pack of hyenas from minute one. Always looking to get an opponent sent off. It really leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth. Almost enough to make you fall out of love with football.
The Real Madrid team from '98 to '02 won 3 CL's and they didn't resort to tactics like that even when faced with aggressive defensive teams. They may not have had the consistency of this current Barca team because they were not as good defensively but they were by far the classier team. Off and on the pitch.

yea, i want clasico to be played like this


very fast and entertaining

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Added on April 29, 2011, 10:41 pmif 3-1 still can go thru maa.. anyway, i hope maurinho will insert kaka, cause if im not mistaken, he hasnt played in any clasico this year..so who knows he can surprise barca defenses
start of the game its a must that we play attacking football,we need to score 1st, cause that will make barca want to score also, so after 1st goal we need to switch to defensive and play counter attack..carvalho is back again so more confidence for our defense..ronaldo , kaka & ozil must play their best to get the ultimate 2nd goal cause everyone else is in other half of the pitch
whatever it is,i guess we could still win perhaps 3-1? or 4-2 cos its very rare to see barca not scoring in nou camp, camon real!! i believe in you!!!

This post has been edited by hans7474: Apr 29 2011, 10:41 PM

1-pepe is clearly a violent player ,,he committed 1 of the foul of the year
2-I did not deny about alves acting especially saw the video,I am just saying compare to the pepe's foul play I think is reasonable to avoid the injured by pepe the extra acting yes it shouldn't be ,consider the way how rm display this is y alves do more ...I guess

[quote=Sebastiank21,Apr 29 2011, 11:09 PM]


judging from this video, i dont see why real need to keep him..its a shame to have a player with that kind of attitude, since i started support real back in 1995 never i saw any real player with such behaviour and its not just 1 game..i remember how fierce and aggressive redondo & guti was, but in certain occasion only

From the video, the first action, which is kick away the away. There 50-50 challenge when Pepe push him, either the game continue or he get foul. It is defender instinct and the responsibility to clear the ball as soon as possible. Let's assume the game continue after Pepe push him, and he do not kick the ball,the ball is on the player legs and when he manage to stand up,there is possibility to score a goal there. So it is defender job to clear the ball from the penalty box and the ball stuck on the player legs, you expect Pepe go to the player legs and use hand pull up that player legs and kick away the ball? I'm sure you not first time watching this scene in football right?Every defender definitely will clear the ball first if there is challenge inside the penalty box and all i can say is unlucky for that scene.

Second action kick on the back is extra ordinary. Pepe already clear the ball away and he need not to do this. As the defender, when he feel that the player is diving/acting, he definitely will grab the hair or any part of the body like what Pepe did for the third action. Every defender or i should say every player will do this to that diver if same situation happen.

So the only violent part can see from the video is Pepe kick back side body of the player. Don't tell me push other players face during argument is violent,if yes then whole footballers in the world is violent according to your theory again. And if compare that Pepe's action to De Jong kungfu kick Alonso and breaks Ben Arfa legs, Shawcross bad tackles on Eduardo and Ramsey, Gattuso bad tackles and headbutt Spurs coach, who more violent?


Well, as I said early, don't just one dimensional debate. As other said and i watch the full 90mins game, most of the challenges(i do not use "every" this word here) that Pepe made is clean and all posters here are talk about El Clasico match and yet you bring another match to say Pepe is violent in that match.

read this =)

Your intention to ask the read about the article is for?

hmm.. about ur opinion towards the professional writer (im not sure what to call him) article

whether true and fair