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post Aug 1 2005, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Aug 1 2005, 07:09 PM)
My MCP350 pump just died on me this morning. cry.gif  cry.gif  Turned on my PC n went to make a cup of coffee. About 5 minutes later I came back to the PC with my cup of coffee n the PC hanged. Cudn't move the cursor. Then I looked at my Guru Clock n the temp was 80C! Immediately did a hard shutdown by pulling the plug. Thank god I only left the PC for bout 5 minutes. There's more bad news. The temp on the CPU water block was so hot that the tube deformed just enuf to start a leaky drip. After I pulled the plug. I opened the side panel to see what happened. There was coolant on my AGP slot, GC, PCI slots n even the bottom of the case had a pool of water. $HITE!  Bloody hell man. I bought a branded kit so that I dont hafta kena nightmare like that n it still happens n only after having the kit for 2 months. What can I do dudes? Can I ask Cudo to exchange a different model pump for the warranty claim ah? No more confidence in the bloody MCP350. Supposed to b an industrial grade pump with 50000hour lifespan sumore.  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif 
  
I just spent the whole day stripping down the PC. Then used the hairdryer to dry all the components thoroughly for a few hours. Then reinstalled everything back with my TT Silent Tower n the stock 6800GT cooler. Crossed my fingers, prayed, booted up n luckily everything works just fine. Thank god my whole PC miraculously survived this horrible event. If it had happened while I was sleeping then the whole PC wud have died man.  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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My condolenses for your dearly departed pump.

Think of the bright side lor...at least the GODS of Hardware are watching over you and the rig survived.

Ps: But boss...please lar get rid of that "SilentTower"..it's just obscene.
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post Aug 2 2005, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Aug 2 2005, 07:33 PM)
Phuiyoooh. Very nice work of art. But it's a very scary thought with all those joints thereby increasing the chances of leakage. I'm sooooo paranoid of leaks now I'm even thinking of going back to air cooling for good.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Aug 2 2005, 11:11 PM)
if you scared of leaks..

invest in a high end air cooled heatsink

it will priced as much as lower end water cooling set
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Perhaps the moral of the lesson here is ....

Set a conservative shutdown temp. laugh.gif
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post Aug 9 2005, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Aug 8 2005, 07:25 AM)
Lookie what I found here. Can you guess what's that installed?
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Sweet wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

Blardy tempting.
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post Aug 12 2005, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(ernie ball @ Aug 12 2005, 06:10 PM)
but what is the reliability of these custom watercooling kits? the last thing anyone would want to do is to splash their coolant onto their several grand system. What can we do if it really happened? can we rma the mainboard? or what if the pump fails while we're busy pumping lead onto the half-life 2 alien?
I've even read about the Tt Rocket's puny design, where the pump leaked after the water is heated slightly, resulting in terrible consequences. If this could happen to those pre-made kits, what are the chances it won't happen to a custom kit?
anyone ever actually suffered a leaking system? what can be done to prevent this from happening? (forget about non conductive fluid, it's too expensive to speak of)

RM500 for a starters' system is, IMHO, quite expensive. Forgive me, i know of people who would spend 3k for a cyrogenic cooler, but i'm not one of them. I know I'm cheap. The cheaper alternative is premade kits, but upgrading is not an option. But, what if all we need is a simple kit, which performs like the first day we installed it, year in year out?

Is there such a kit? Or is there a custom kit designed to require little or no attention?
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Simply said....you should consider just air cooling instead.

Cos....

1) ~$200 for a super high-end heatsinkfan combo is cheaper and in most cases BETTER than an almost $400 water cooling combo. So bang for buck is there.

2) If a person screws up mounting a heatsink properly, he/she's hell gonna screw up mounting a waterblock.

3) Aircooling is idiot-proof so you don't have to leaktest or worry about anything or even read up anything. Just make sure ya hook up the fan and it'll go.

4) In the likely event that ya feel that the combo kit not enough oomp.... the cost is even higher.

For example...
weak pump--> Change
bad block --> Change
Rad tak cukup --> change
even tubing too restrictive --> change

Results = RM400 worth of LED laden stuff down the drain + >RM500 for a new set of stuffs.

5) The only thing maintenance free is a piece of ROCK...hahaha...everything mechanical also will require some sort of maintenance right?

Expensive l337 stuff may fail, chances of some cut-price kit failing even higher.

Even one of our member had his l337 Corsair kit failing and nearly killing everything.

So...like almostthere said...set a proper shut down temp... do your maintenance (apply to air and water also) or just buy a Dell.... dun care if it dies...onsite warranty laugh.gif

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post Aug 24 2005, 06:18 PM

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Bosses.... apa bikin?

The vantec look quite cantik at first glance leh. Scary part is just alu rad + copper block only.
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post Aug 25 2005, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Aug 24 2005, 07:48 PM)
Senang cerita, wait for online reviews or from someone who's using it since right now, not much info on it, no pics of the blocks design and the pumps a Hydor L20
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Pics galore here:

http://www.coolerfreaks.dk/index.php?id=62
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post Oct 18 2005, 05:46 PM

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Boys and gurls... d sniperz coming to the wet side.

Just ordered me a Storm brows.gif
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post Oct 19 2005, 09:17 AM

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Mmm.. at the moment, the seller still hasn't replied his mail but the plan is as follows:

Swifty Storm cpu
Maze4 acetal gpu ( gotta still find this..expensive here)
12x1 Rad
http://www.kp-xpcmods.com/osc/index.php?cP...bbcbb58db04f00d
MCP655 pump
1/2" tubes
Closed loop until I find a res or make one.

Whaddaya think?

And I need a DFI NF4 compatible NB cooler... objective is for silence.
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post Oct 26 2005, 08:58 PM

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Lookie lookie...

Look at what just landed at papa sniper's place.. wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

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post Oct 27 2005, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Oct 26 2005, 09:08 PM)
What other parts are still missing to complete the loop?
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At the moment, that's the ONLY part of the loop I have. tongue.gif doh.gif Still hunting for the others.


QUOTE(amok @ Oct 27 2005, 12:06 AM)
dang!!!!... double DANG!!! vmad.gif  vmad.gif , how come he get it first? cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif  neway congrats on those beauty!!!.

Here're some rads pic that might help you out a bit.

The Black Ice Xtreme

The Black Ice Pro (Slightly thinner than the BIX at around 25mm)

the drool.gif Thermochill HE120.1

The brand new Thermochill PA160 (Single Pass Double Row XcrossFlow!!!)
and .. the somehow i'm a bit confused about its origin.

The New Swiftech's MCR120-QP... and at first I thought it would be a thermochill's then again doesn't look like one.  Anyone know ah?
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Thanks for the help... and via PM. Appreciate it.
Now deciding between that "a la thermochill" we discuss on PM or a BIX (order from overseas sweat.gif .

QUOTE(De_Cruelz @ Oct 27 2005, 02:58 AM)
Hehe nice piece of copper you got there sniper smile.gif
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You have a pair of Maze4 low profile right? Is there any clearance left for ramsinks whatsoever after fitting the 1/2 tubings?

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post Oct 27 2005, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(De_Cruelz @ Oct 27 2005, 10:02 AM)
Yes in fact I do smile.gif

There isn't enough clearance to fit the ram sinks but a little modding will take care of it smile.gif

It will be tricky though to fit the ram sinks then fiddle around with the tubing and hose clamps. Safest is to not put any sinks there(they don't get hot enough to make it necessary anyway) as the tubing may rest on it and over time, slowly crush the ram itself.
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What about the regular maze4's? How much extra height do I get with those?
Any idea?
Thanks.
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post Oct 27 2005, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Oct 27 2005, 10:53 AM)
congrats on the storm...seriously jeles aku tengok..yeah can anyone verify the origins of the swiftys new rads because if i cant get a bix i`ll just get the swifty rad from bulk. the low-profile maze4 is 25.2mm thick and the low-profile is 30.8mm thick.hope that helps
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Thanks... like that means only 5.6mm different...no ramsinks also lar.
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post Oct 27 2005, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Oct 27 2005, 11:21 AM)
what rad you planning to get then?
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At the moment, I'm split between ordering a BIX from US ($$$$$$$$) and Thermochill locally (lagi $$$$$$$) and this "a la thermochill".

http://www.kp-xpcmods.com/osc/product_info...&products_id=31

Actually I'm curious also, what would be the performance delta for a really teruk rad and a really good rad of the same size?


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post Oct 27 2005, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(hollowbean @ Oct 27 2005, 11:56 AM)
i heard that KP using their own custom fitting thread is it?
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cry.gif cry.gif I'm banana here..tarak paham. cry.gif cry.gif

Can someone help translate the rad description a bit? Babelfish doesn't make sense. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


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post Oct 27 2005, 09:36 PM

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On my quest for a radiator....I lari jauh jauh after work and found this one.

http://www.mitron.com.tw/product_photo.asp...cat=235&id=1711

Its relatively cheap but somewhat light....I think it's alu core. The shop fella watching so cannot scratch and see.

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Whaddaya think?

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post Oct 27 2005, 11:03 PM

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Guys...

Besides voyeurmods and coolstechnica...which other webshop sells watercooling stuffs and ships international?

ps: I mean those that doesn't only ship fedex/ups/whatever courier.
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post Oct 31 2005, 09:15 AM

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Anyone's read any reviews for MCW55 VGA block yet?

Thinking of either that or the Maze4 (more expensive when include the 6800 bracket).

MCW55 natively 3/8 (1/2 fittings included) while the Maze4 acetal's 1/2.



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post Nov 8 2005, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 8 2005, 12:40 PM)
IMO a thermochill rad, specifically the PA series, and pair up with some silent fan, say the low speed panaflow, or something like that. Your system would be much more silent yet perfomable.
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PA160 is nice lar but to fit in a normal ATX setup? It's almost size of a BIX2.

214mm x 166mm x 50mm (90mm including shroud)


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post Nov 8 2005, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Nov 8 2005, 06:06 PM)
uncle snipe got your rad ledi?

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Belum lagi lar... that celaka punya sarjan lar.. psycho me say BIX too much backpressure for slow fans.

Sort of undecided now.... BIP scared tarak cukup oomph for winnie+NV40.....BIP2 or PA160 pulak tarak tempat mau pasang.

If BIX kasi slow fan push-pull apamacam?
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post Nov 8 2005, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 8 2005, 07:33 PM)
wa sulah cakap....mau pakai BIX kena airflow tinggi...you want to use that sucky CM fan sila laa....jangan nanti my BIP with a Delta 120 x 25 mm fan shows lower temps then yours then you're gonna regret a whole lot
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Like that what u suggest lar? Dah kata BIP2 and PA160 tarak tempat and BIP tarak cukup powaaa. doh.gif

QUOTE(TJye @ Nov 8 2005, 09:15 PM)
Actually I don't think its totally about the airflow issue, I think its more of a pressure issue.
If sniper can get a blower that has a pressure of as much as a 38mm fan and 2/3 of the air flow...I think sniper will see a very good result, and still the blower will be silent. Asking a blower of the same size to do a pressure of a 38mm axial fan is piece a cake...
The other point is, a 80cfm fan when couple with a BIX will not have 80cfm.... probably a 60cfm.......
In this case, I think a push and pull will be quite good as a option to BIX
but how powerfull of a fan for push and full would be much of a debate.
maybe 2 38mm CM alucase fan would do the trick?

Just trying to express what I think, don't snipe me....
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Blower where got quiet wan?
I guess the only way to find out is to bite the bullet.

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