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post Jun 17 2010, 07:51 PM

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Hope to share some of my questions here n hope to get any comment or advice.

1. Can somebody share with me, besides the ability to connect different size of tubings in a line, what is the other reason of using compressing fitting in terms of practically but not asthetically.

2. I've seen many modders like to use compression fittings or, degreed rotary fittings between the connection of C.P.U. waterblok and MOSFET waterblock and chipset waterblock.

3. Is there any reason to use compression fitting to connect a 1/2" ID tube to a G1/4" fitting?

4. I'm currently using the 1st gen Apogee waterblock on my LGA775 (Pentium D 920) but upgrading to LGA1366 (i7 975), should I keep on using this block with compatible back plate or upgrade to Apogee XT? Would I be able to decrease the temp. significantly by upgrading the c.p.u. waterblock to a higher performance 1?

5. For R3E, do I really need to liquid cool it?

Thts it in 1 go, sorry for asking too many questions in 1 shot. notworthy.gif
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post Jun 21 2010, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Jun 18 2010, 01:54 AM)
Did sort of similar test back when i just get liquid cooling
Load temperature drop about 14 C or so from air cooling
It was a Xigamtek HDT1283 Lapped + 250CFM Fan to a Dtek Fuzion V2,Nirox P2800 Pump,MCR220 Radiator,1/2" ID Generic Tubing and Swiftech Micro Res
Rig spec was E8400 C0@4ghz 1.37V or so if my memory serve me correct
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250cfm shocking.gif , U'r talking bout one fan or multiple fans? Noise level?

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post Jun 22 2010, 01:47 AM

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Thank You Sir notworthy.gif for the advices.

hmm.gif Since U suggested tht by changing to a higher performance waterblock wouldn't really decrese the c.p.u. temperature significantly, what if add a X-Changer 360 (low F.P.I.) or a Black Ice GTX Gen 2 Xtreme 360 (high F.P.I.) to my existing MCR-240 radiator, would tht be better than to replace the waterblock since the price gap between both the mentioned radiators n the Apogee XT is not too far?

I believe the optional mounting kit for socket 1366 of the Apogee GT, AP-GT-CI7, is compatible with Apogee since both waterblocks r identical in dimensions besides the internal of the copper base plate. Juz tht I'm not sure whether they r still producing this mounting kit.

doh.gif forgot 2 inform bout the GTX295 has been part of the liquid cooling loop notworthy.gif . So, a 360 radiator or Apogee XT?

Other than EK, is there any other options on the R3E waterblock?
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post Jun 22 2010, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jun 22 2010, 01:51 AM)
The Feser 360 or Thermochill would be a good choice but stay away from Black Ice smile.gif It's never a popular and good radiator, we all know they don't sell. For the price you pay, there's obviously better choices compared to that.

Maybe you can wait for Bitspower to come up with their block.
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Brader Ong, so how? I have limited budget to expand the liquid loop , wanna help me make decision? Radiator or waterblock?

If I'm going for radiator, how m I gonna find the AP-GT-CI7 LGA1366 mounting kit for the Apogee?



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post Jun 22 2010, 06:36 PM

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I guess many would hv already known that the Black Ice GTX Gen 2 Xtreme 360 is most of the time more expensive than the X-Changer 360 huh. Any1 had bad experience with this Black Ice GTX Gen 2 Xtreme 360? Mr. Ong? I know it's Philippine made but I'm kindda like the Black Ice GTX Gen 2 Xtreme 360 due to it's thick and high f.p.i. design meant for high c.f.m. fans.

Any1? Radiator of waterblock?

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post Jun 22 2010, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Jun 22 2010, 05:52 PM)
What happened? blink.gif
How about getting a CPU block first then change the radiator? biggrin.gif You just need an Apogee XT, it comes with all Intel mounts. If you want radiators, I have the well known XSPC soon biggrin.gif They are coming to me and everyone else that are interested in it tongue.gif The XSPC pwns Feser if we look at certain reviews but for me, I never rely on them as self experience is the best way to tell. I intend to get one for myself soon.
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This Mr. Ong is convincing me to build a RM10K cooling system. Aku mau report polis da ni. mad.gif

Aren't U talking bout the RX series radiator? Despite thick in dimension but the RX has low f.p.i. design which I'm not kindda fun on it.


Added on June 22, 2010, 8:19 pm
QUOTE(metsatsu @ Jun 22 2010, 08:02 PM)
or maybe u should just sell off your current dual rad and make do with the new tri rad + new wb. fork out a bit more $$
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Does a 360 radiator sufficient enuf for i7 975, GTX295, and R3E?

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post Jun 22 2010, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(metsatsu @ Jun 22 2010, 08:32 PM)
if it's the feser 360 rad, no problem bro. just make sure u have high cfm cans installed on the rad, u will be fine with that setup for sure
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Only Feser?

Feser has low f.p.i. cooling fins if I'm to use Feser I would rather go for quite fan instead of high c.f.m. fan cuz I'm kindda believe low f.p.i. radiators r more suitable for watercooling modders who prefer quiter operation.

Which 1 would u prefer? low f.p.i. radiator with quite fan OR high f.p.i. radiator with high c.f.m. fan?


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QUOTE(monsh @ Jun 22 2010, 08:33 PM)
depends on the radiator as well i guess .
well, im not saying that black ice GTX series is not good, but it sure is not the silent operation type .
im using the 480 version and will be paired up with yate loon d12sh12 .
would be good enough though .

anyway, rad has their rated heat dispersion rate .
some has bigger some has lower, but iinm, the black ice GTX series has the biggest heat dispersion rate .
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Urs is the 1st gen GTX (Black Ice Xtreme) or the Black Ice GTX Gen Two Xtreme? 20 f.p.i.? How high is the dispersion V'r talking bout.

It can be used in Stealth mode 1 ma, can't it?

How do U find the build quality of it?

The D12SH-12 generates only 88 c.f.m. n yet kindda noisy at 40dBA. Eik, vat is the static pressure of this fan huh?

Y not U consider using the Scythe SY1225SL12SH (1,900 rpm version), more than 110 c.f.m. but at lower 37dBA.

Not to mention 40dBA, even at 37dBA I don't feel comfortable dy, my PC is located at the living room, sometimes wanna take a short nap also cannot due to the noise frm the fan.





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post Jun 23 2010, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(monsh @ Jun 23 2010, 06:47 AM)
well i think i saw a review last time saying this 480 is capable of handling 800W of heat .

well i chose yate loon because it has better static pressure .
that's a better choice for radiator cooling as well as heatsink .
scythe slipstream is not a very good choice for radiator .
better go with gentle typhoon instead .
its proven, u can google around and see the result ^^,

yate loon is considered reliable fan for radiator alongside with scythe gentle typhoon .

mine is the GTX <-- Gen Two Xtreme .
difference is one is Black Ice Xtreme and 1 more is Black Ice Gen Two Xtreme .

hehe biggrin.gif

oh btw, this radiator is not meant  for silent operation .
but i can live with 40dBA .
the sound of gaming will kill the fan noise ^^,
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800W of heat dispersion for a 4x120 radiator alone? Sounds awesome drool.gif .

I heard bout static pressure being 1 of the criteria on heat exchange but appreciate if sum1 can tell me how does this static pressure work in helping heat exchange to achieve better efficiency?

My guess is high static pressure fan is required only on high f.p.i. radiators only or I was wrong?

hmm.gif Gentle Typhoon huh, I'm gonna go find out more.....

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post Jun 23 2010, 06:05 PM

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Cooler means vat? Lower boiling point?

I believe the automotive coolants hv rust proofing agent as most of the coolants for pc watercooling but are they having the same specific heat capacity?
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post Jun 23 2010, 07:29 PM

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hmm.gif interesting.

Has any1 tried tht?

Vat if using Feser One in automotive cooling system? Overheat?
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post Jun 24 2010, 01:50 AM

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So if I'm to use copper waterblock with nickel-plated EK R3E mobo waterblock, since these two r 2 different metal thus fasten the corrosion process.

Any suggestion for me? Or is there non nickel-plated one?
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post Jun 24 2010, 08:09 AM

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Thanks owikh84, U've juz reminded me back to vat V have learnt back in those 2ndary school days.

My guess is tht it has sumthing to do to with the electrolysis process between two different molecules (or maybe I should say ions due to charged molecules r consider ions). But since distilled water is w/o any charges (molucule), I guess there wouldn't be the process said above huh. tongue.gif I simply "tembak" wan, can sum1 correct me?

Base on the attached table, I believe V should be able to use the combination of Cu and NI components with distilled water huh.

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post Jun 24 2010, 06:20 PM

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Nickel PLATED ma. Can I say NI has more resistance to corrosion? Any1?
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post Jun 24 2010, 11:16 PM

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hmm.gif I don't think their the same. Brass = Cu + Zn, alloy.
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post Jun 25 2010, 02:26 AM

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Base on the table given by owikh84, the electronegativity of Zn and Cu = 1.7 and 1.9 respectively. Brass is a combination of Zn n Cu, I don't really feel comfortable to use it with pure Cu or NI.

Those brass barbs U were talking about, r they meant for WC PC?
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post Jun 25 2010, 10:55 AM

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Sounds like U have flow gauge integrated into Ur loop huh. drool.gif

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Which Bitspower barb U were refering to? Shiny wan? Matte black wan? Or the True Silver wan?

I suppose the shiny wan is made of chrome plated brass, the rest I'm not pretty sure.

hmm.gif I think the True Silver can use it as anti-microbial huh drool.gif .

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Can use 99.99% silver jewerlly frm granma, dump it into the reservoir. rclxms.gif
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post Jun 26 2010, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(monsh @ Jun 25 2010, 05:06 PM)
ahaha biggrin.gif
so i guess using bitspower silver shining compression fitting is a good idea ?
since its silver plated .
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If I'm not mistaken, the Shiny wan is crome plated not silver. I think U were talking bout the True Silver wan huh?
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post Jun 26 2010, 11:53 AM

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How do U clean the internal of full coverage graphic waterblock and mobo waterblock? Donoe can soak it with WD-40 not?

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