well... a good explanation would be the lower airflow allows the water to stay longer in the water block thus allowing it to absorb heat more efficiently... my 2 cents though.

i dont thnk there will be any problem.



now, ive got a few question that i could really get some help with. Started to plan for my incoming Cool-Trek DP1202 and MCW60-R.

By then, my setup should be pump(Nirox P3800 rated @ 1.5L/H) -> Rad (DP1202) -> CPU (Whitewater) -> GPU (MCW60-R ) -> Reservoir -> pump.

How much pressure drop should i be expecting if i were to use 3 L joints? Will they bring big impact to the overall cooling performance? my case isnt a huge TJ-07 .. ive got quite a limit on how things are done here...

As tested in moderno place in a similar setup, the 1.5L/H nirox is running a little too fast... so would a couple of resistant a good idea to slow the flow down?

nirox P3800 user here.

It works awesome, pumping 1500L/H, you need to get the appropriate barbs and seal the font with epoxy though. Some modding is required before it can be fully operational as PC WC pump. Then again.. what the heck, its only RM4x

1 advise though, be very very carefull with leaks with using modded pumps, set it up and run leak test at least overnight.

the nirox sold my metalzone is already modded by him i think. So i guess you can save the hassle of doing it urself =)

well... approx a week or so i think.. well i kinda expected its lifespan to be short. Its making rattling noise now, but nothing major, cant be heard when sidepanel is closed. The loudest component in my setup now would be Ram cooler > GFX > pump. The fans are barely audible as i set all of them to low rpm.

From my own point of view for a low budget WC, to see noticeable result from air cooling > water, major(expensive too ) changes has to be done. Therefore, im currently cutting down cost on components that can be cost reduced and future worthwhile upgrading. Investing in a proper block/Rad is a MUST therefore basically theres nothing much you can save in this. Currently im only using 1/2" gas tubes (RM1.xx/feet) as my tubing, RM60 120mmx2 TT radiator grabbed from BST_Dude and the low cost nirox P3800(total spend on pump RM65). Good thing about WC is that, each can be upgraded slowly in the future. Once all the loops are complete, the last id upgrade would be from Nirox P3800 to MCP655(which by then, very likely the nirox wont be functioning well already).

Actually... i find it more satisfying this way than getting everything at a shot and not to mention it hurts the wallet too. Stage by stage venturing into WC, learning lessons along the way, figuring ideas to placement of each components and loop sequences and seeing improvement till the final result =)

Currently waiting for metalzone's cooltrek DP1202 and MCW60-R to arrive to my doorstep, rather exited =D

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Dec 4 2007, 02:08 AM

yes its fun.. but always play safely
i nearly toasted my board

oh.. overheating.. in that i case i think i should place the rad before the pump.. minimizing chances of overheating...

eh... they really gulung already? ive got my first few thermalright products from them few years back... price was reasonable back then though, XP-90 for only RM12x

wah lao @_@

1800L/H? would it effectively absorb the heat? even my 1500L/H nirox is overkill in 2 WB loop.. seems like waterfall on my reservoir when i fire it up , not to mention my WB gives pretty big restriction... (Whitewater)

thats what i thought too, IMHO, the flow rate doesnt affect the water block too much, but it affects the heat dissipation on the rad. The longer the water stays in the rad, the better it is being cooled off before beginning a new cycle. The bad part of having very high pressure, chances of leakage are higher than lower pressure pumps, and sometimes you can hear the water flowing sound as well...

The main thing to balance IMHO would be the amount of water block in your setup, the resistance of your entire loop, and the size/quality of the rad which will affect the temps.

*edit typo

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Dec 7 2007, 06:36 PM

thx for the correction.

Im rather new to WC, just finished my complete loop yesterday.

My journey started with TT Bigwater 735, from there on changed the rad to the 120mm ones (got it extremely cheap, RM60).

From there on.. got a 2nd hand water block from a forumer here (AquaExtreme Whitewater), and made my very own nirox pump with moderno's help.

My setup back then was Nirox > Whitewater > TT 2x120mm Rad with 1/2barbs > reservoir > pump. Well... i wasnt satisfied with the performance, performance wise, its not that bad, but on par with high end air cooling, just minus the noise.

And now.. at last the ghetto setup is gone

Current setup

Nirox P3800 > Cooltrek DP1202 > Apogee GT > MCW 60-R > MCRES Micro > Nirox P3800.

Pretty much satisfied with it at the moment, able to cool down my rig @ overclocked speed with only 800RPM. Total silent setup

from my readings, oil cooler could work pretty well too
im really curious of your setup, mind to post a pic and some performance screenshots?

nice nice... ive seen a BMW Bike oil cooler before though, would be awesome if its something like that

nice... but i think there can be a lot of improvements on the waterblock

the huge difference between ur idle/load temp may hint that your culprit is the radiator instead of your WB.

the job of the WB is only to efficiently absorb the heat and relay the heat to the water, then the water flow to the radiator, where its main job is to cool the water off before it flows in another cycle. So.. judging by the temp difference, in a way, its indicating that your radiator isnt doing its job good enough...

just my 2cents

well... u try try and touch the outlet and inlet of your radiator and compare both, one end should be fairly cool and another would be warm, if the difference of both is not significant, then it might be the radiator as the culprit. If both are nearly the same, it would be your waterblock then.

bro, if ur range is within RM100, id suggest that you take nirox and get the correct barbs and do some minor modding as it outperforms sub RM100 pump which is made for PC WC. Then save your money and get the D5.

im rather curious, what is the best waterblock available at this time? i do notice that most very good waterblocks are rather restrictive... it does make sense in a way though.

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Dec 17 2007, 02:25 AM

hmm... any idea on where to get the nozzle kits? and how much would they cost?

wooo...is that my pump im looking at...? @_@
but yeah... the pump aint that bad in the firs place as your setup isnt very restrictive in the first place.

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Added on December 18, 2007, 6:14 pmbtw bro, i just noticed your rams are wrongly slotted

This post has been edited by AoiNatsume: Dec 18 2007, 06:14 PM