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post Nov 9 2005, 03:18 PM

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Wahai member member sekalian....

My hunt for a good rad continues..

In theory and from MS Eyeball processing... ini benda (sarjan say oil cooler) boleh jalan or not for my config?

Size is:
160mmX120mmX32mm

Other parts (repeat again)
MCP655
Storm --> K8 winnie
Maze4 Acetal or MCW55 --> 68GT scorching hot.

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post Nov 10 2005, 09:16 AM

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We have a problem shipping to Taiwan in as much as, the last lot of radiators we sent out there have been copied. This has resulted in a cheap, inferior product being released that has no bearing on the quality of goods we produce, and has made its way over here as a competitive product.
Therefore we have decided that, to protect all our expensive research and design costs as long as possible, we would refrain from sending any over to countries that would carry this out.
Sorry that, in this instance, I cannot help you.


I emailed Thermochill recently to ask about shipping charges to Taiwan...afterall, their webshop are supposed to ship internationally and look at their reply above.

I was like... WTF?? It's like...where's the bleedin logic in this? Not shipping to a macho lengchai consumer like myself in Taiwan because stoned with counterfeiters. As if lar the manufacturers cannot buy from elsewhere.


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post Nov 13 2005, 09:58 PM

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Mmm...good question. You guys punya tygons OD berapa?
Still deciding between thick or thin...utility or bling ... sad.gif
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post Nov 13 2005, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 13 2005, 11:05 PM)
my coming Tygon tubing is 1/2" ID 3/4" OD

utility or bling? meaning?
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Sorry..should have elaborated.

Thicker less kinks mar = Utility.

Thinner more cantik mar.
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post Nov 14 2005, 08:52 PM

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Guys.. generally speaking.

How many feet of tubing do I need?
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post Nov 17 2005, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 15 2005, 04:34 PM)
I am thinking of getting coolermaster aquagate, my tornado so noisy and my system is very hot at 4Ghz original 3.2E.

any suggestion guys ? how much it cost and anyone using it ?

the reviews tells the sound of the fan is very noisy ? is it true ?
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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 17 2005, 09:39 AM)
thanks for the reply guys, great
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So far haven't come across anyone using the Aquagate in the forums hence the lack of response. Unless ur refering to the Aquagate mini.. Macdanife's a big fan of the mini. He's using it on both his homerig and his G5 case mod (you can PM him and check his worklog in casemod)

As for how much does it cost...this is quite a taboo. Price and dealers or go shopping's what you need.

I'm farrrrrrrrr from being an expert in these matters but from general observation...tiny radiator + tiny pump can't be outstanding.



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post Nov 17 2005, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(bmbk @ Nov 17 2005, 02:08 PM)
metalzone, the prescott is very hot indeed.

i am getting 60 with Coolermaster hyper 6 + vantec tornado. oouch...

I was actually the WC-202 as i might replace the default fan for the external radiator and use my tornado.

so for me if the water cooler can reduce 5 degree is enough for me i will say. i am at the border line actually.

and the worst come worst i will just use the cooler for my display card.
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Why don't you just pm Macdanife about the mini? From what he mentioned earlier, some shops are having discount on it or something like that.

Else...Bigwater (can't believe I'm saying this tongue.gif )... or even better... that Gigabyte kit. Dunno about the pricing in Malaysia but in Taiwan its cheaper than the bigwater.

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post Nov 18 2005, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 18 2005, 11:55 AM)
ok now that i know where to get blackice rads..im in a dilemma..i plan to get the 3x120 rads so i can use a low cfm fan to minimize noise..but i dont know if i should get the pro or the extreme..afaik the pro is thinner and gives good airflow and the extreme is thicker and restricts airflow..but since i plan to get a 3x120 the surface area itself is big enough to dissipate a lot of heat..and the price diffrence is rm100 which is a lot..any suggestions on which to get?
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If I have space to put in a 120x3....even a 120x2 also I'll get a BIP for low noise tongue.gif
I think you're only gonna need a BIX3 if you run X1800XTs crossfire with a prescott...hahahaha


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post Nov 27 2005, 07:05 PM

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Update a bit... (thinly veiled bump)

Storm --> In da house
MCW55 --> In da house
BIX --> In da house
MCP650 --> In da house (scrapped the D5 plan and got this instead. Cheaper)
Bunch of barbs and all --> In da house.
Tubing --> Can't blardy find good ones!!!! Gonna Fedex some tygons

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 26 2005, 01:21 PM)
panaflo is undeniably silent than NMB.

hmm......the panasonic website is displaying NMB fans.....what's happening man.
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Panaflo's are no more di. Gone. Extinct. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
Taken over by NMB brand.

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post Nov 28 2005, 09:26 AM

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Kinda regretted buying that MCP650 (D4 sad.gif

Should have gotten a MCP650/DDC instead and fit it with this modded top.
http://tw.f3.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/c18809758

It's similiar to that systemcooling mod that makes the DDC a MCP600 beater and changes the barbs to 1/2 as well.

*Sigh*
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post Nov 28 2005, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Nov 28 2005, 09:10 PM)
Dude, that's a pic of the MCP350 with mod top lar. 
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Typo lar...I did say DDC wat right.

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I don't think alu in the loop is a big deal lar. I mean look at the Zalman Reserator. It's a very good example of a great big hunk of alu in the loop. It's also got alu VGA n NB blocks. As long as u use anti corrosion coolant it's ok.


Dood..the sarge is trying to say--> Mix metal = big boo boo
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post Dec 4 2005, 10:44 PM

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Looks like most ppl also got their storms oledi but still no proper reports yet?


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post Dec 5 2005, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(ianho @ Dec 4 2005, 11:02 PM)
Waiting for ure report mah. Hurry up wit ure hoses lar.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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The second order just left the US yesterday so it should arrive within this week. Also ordered the MCP350 modded top biggrin.gif
Quite certain next week can play already... *fingers crossed*

QUOTE(almostthere @ Dec 4 2005, 11:54 PM)
Idle 38C and load 41C anyone for ambient temps of 25C?
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Doesn't seem like much difference with ur former maze4 setup leh. Maybe you need a better pump brows.gif .... like the spare MCP650/D4 thats lying around here with me tongue.gif
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post Dec 5 2005, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Dec 5 2005, 07:35 PM)
Whoaa blink.gif , they do a modded top 350s? Or someone did for you? by the way cross fingers oso, wanna see some results.

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The concept is as per this:
http://www.systemcooling.com/mcp350_mod-03.html

And this fella sells the top (top only)

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http://www.kp-xpcmods.com/osc/popup_image.php?pID=153

By the way... all but one of the toys have arrived.

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post Dec 6 2005, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(amok @ Dec 5 2005, 10:01 PM)
oooooooo lidat... and I thought swifties do the 90o mod fer ya...
Well hellooo ladies.. drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif  brows.gif

.... erk what's in the cooler master box? and t-joint or resevoir?
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CM coolant ler. Kena brainwashed by ianho and the shop fella. The shop dood claims that the CM and TT coolant's good. His shop basically have a couple of display units that's been running for ages...the bigwater...gigabyte...a diy on CM coolant and the forgot-the-name kit that was using those funky copper rads a few pages back. The latter was using a greenish coolant which he claims was same as the hydrx and there's some funky stuff in the res already.

Oh...T-line seems to be in fashion now..so using that ler. Managed to find a brass T in the plumbing shop. Looks like should do although the ID could be a lil bigger.

QUOTE(pornstar @ Dec 6 2005, 02:56 AM)
eh..banyak nyer pam?you using BIX ah?not BIX2 ka..3 kaa??anyways congrats on the safe arrival..im still waiting for mine..eta another 2 1/2 weeks..dahlah that time i got exams..
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Save space mar... my objective is not the most uber temps but quiet, better-than-air temps and tidily bling tongue.gif

Where did you order from?

Ya guys should try sidewinderscomputer..the stuffs sold there ain't as exotic as frozencpu or such and Gary (the dood there) is kinda busy at times but always reply his mail before the next day (unlike the others) and best of all... freakin fast.
I made my latest order and paid via paypal on Monday and it arrived in exactly a week using global express (not even Fedex). notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


QUOTE(ianho @ Dec 6 2005, 03:21 AM)
That's Coolermaster Thermal Conductivity Fluid.  Oh yah, just to let u guys know. I found a really nice plastic T joint at the pet shop. It's an Eheim T joint. Shud b about right for 1/2" hoses. I bought it for my 3/8" anyway coz it looked so nice, n also desperate coz I was using the gas t joint which is kinda small ID n looks very restrictive. So I had to heat up my hose ends with hairdryer n stretched it over the t joint. It costs 15bux at Ikano pet shop.
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And you're the only dood here that uses both a res and a t-line...hahahaha..

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post Dec 7 2005, 09:58 PM

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The last piece of the puzzle has arrived ...

MCP350 modded top...machined from deltrin. Hope it fits tight though..

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So luvvvly wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif
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post Dec 9 2005, 09:26 AM

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Slowly lar...noobie here ler.

Assembled the pump already..
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Now working on getting a HDD cage to fit the 5" bay area.
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post Dec 9 2005, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Dec 9 2005, 11:07 AM)
you not putting the pump as d lowest point?
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Gonna put the rad at the intake's position so have to relocate the HDD's to the 5" bays instead and since I have only 4 x 5" bays in total, need to create a cage to save space and the dampened the vibration.

Pump's gonna be at the bottom of course.

Thinking of the shortest route being pump --> VGA --> CPU --> rad --> T-line.

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post Dec 10 2005, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(amok @ Dec 10 2005, 01:13 AM)
biggrin.gif .. you mean just like the sargeant's set up? brows.gif Yup good idea in shortening the line... since it's a closed loop set up, pressure will be the same at all point.. thus shortening the line is a very good idea.

The VGA->CPU thinggy... 're you sure about this? meaning dumping the heat from VGA to CPU. sweat.gif
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The sarjan adviced against VGA --> GPU as well..

Thing is...that's the most convenient route and I'm not concerned about the CPU temps.

Even with air, I'm only getting about 44C load. It's the GPU that I'm most concerned about.

My question is.. isn't the rad's efficiency the determining factor here rather than CPU or GPU first...since after all it is a loop. unsure.gif



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post Dec 12 2005, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(almostthere @ Dec 10 2005, 11:17 PM)
That's why I advised an experimental loop of the following for such a setup

Pump > VGA > RAD > CPU

should be an efficient setup as the GPU will be the one that will have the biggest heat dump since it's gonna be OC'ed liked no one's business (knowing sniper himself)
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That loop means extra tubing length leh...

Anyway..the good news is finally I'm starting...now working on the duct but the bad news is the missus took the digicam with her overseas so there's not gonna be any pics to pimp sad.gif

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