just wanna ask you guys is there anyone whos taking MBBS in russia? because my parents are going to send me there by this september, going to Moscow Medical University. I hope to know more about the lifestyle there, how high is the level of competition, is the living standard high etc..
just share if you are taking MBBS in russia or you once stayed in russia for a period of time.

thanks guys your replies will be very much appreciated

This post has been edited by x|aofiish: Mar 15 2011, 07:29 PM

there are many threads already........

search for them lah.....

eg:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...sian+med+school
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...sian+med+school
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...sian+med+school

oh my god thank you very much my friend, appreciate very much!

it's already flooding with doctors now, u sure u still wanna do mbbs?

mbbs is just a basic for me, i have bigger dreams than being a doctor

you don't want to be a doctor yet you want to study medicine?

nola bro, i want to be a doctor, but besides being a doctor i have my aims of life for being a doctor, not just sitting in the clinic waiting patients

unfortunately what you aim for might not materialise all the time. good luck on your journey.

do u know even know what's my aim? it's not hard actually, but im sure in the end i'll feel the satisfaction and able to contribute to the community. of course im not a dreamer, i will take action and step out to materialise it.

don't tell me now. tell me after 5 years. good luck!!

thanks for being so encouraging

if one has no intention of continuing practising medicine, even BEFORE starting, one should not start........

what's the point?.......just for the glamour of having the dr in front of name?.......

training of doctors should NEVER be like other courses, where people often just do, just to do something........all civilised countries aims to select the best students, give them the best training, and facilitate them to contribute a lifetime of medical service to the community......any doctor who stops practice is wasted resource, and wasted money used in training him........

unfortunately, in msia, it looks like medicine has become a commodity like any other course.........became so easy and cheap, it becomes the means to another end, instead of the end itself......

i agree with you, im just going to start MBBS by this sept, however, i know clearly what i want and what im capable of, i don't know whats the intention of zstan saying stuff like that, just to get his own self satisfaction by making others suffer. Diff ppl will have diff preference, some might say A is good, B is not, some will say the otherwise. but i believe that it's still depends on the individual's attitude, if he or she has the right attitude, no matter where he or she studies, still will be able to excel putting aside which Uni he or she graduated from.

ps: sry if im not replying based on what you replied, coz im very tired now and plus what i saw u wrote 4 years ago, back in 2007 lol this is what i can conclude after reading 9 pages of previous thread that you showed me. it's just my 2 cents.

oh ya ill be doing it in MMA, so limeuu i suppose u're experienced in this, as my senior do u hav any suggestions or advices for me?

This post has been edited by x|aofiish: Mar 16 2011, 02:18 AM

Not merely practising in clinic.

Maybe getting emotional over the sufferings from the recent earthquakes in NZ and Japan and would like to lend a hand in future in disaster stricken areas.

In that case, I dont think your Russian degree will give you the necessary skills.

it does not work this way, as far as healthcare and training of doctors are concerned......it's NOT up to an individual's opinion..............good med schools are universally good, and bad ones bad........through objective measurements......there are so many ranking lists, the good ones consistently rank high.......bad ones never appear in any lists.........

and while attitude is important, more important is the innate capability of the student, and the actual training he receives.........all components must be there.....why should there be any compromise?.........

Medic is different from ACCA Or Law, where you stay at home with self-study and you can pass.

yes my friend, my aim is smth like that..
but i dare not tell anyone as it's still too early to talk about it, ppl will just critisise u like what zstan did above.
btw what makes u say russian degree will NOT give the necessary skills?
mind to elaborate?

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Added on March 16, 2011, 2:06 pmwell u're experience in this i won't say anything on ur comment as u have ur point there also.
but back to the topic, what do u think of doing med in russia? if u were to choose doing med course in russia compared to doing it in local private u, which one will u go for? considering all factors, security,living standard,standard of the uni and etc...

This post has been edited by x|aofiish: Mar 16 2011, 02:06 PM

Unless you haven't read the first THREE links provided to you early in this topic - you MUST READ THE ENTIRE THING BELOW ONE BY ONE -
My post taken from some other thread:






You obviously have not been following the developments/news/situations regarding medical education in Malaysia.
Do read the following, some of them I have put in a chronological order:


In the beginning.....










Then...




Then comes....

Product of the System (POTS) Blog : Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure




PART- 1 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html
PART- 2 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...ort-and_24.html
PART- 3 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...ort-and_27.html
PART- 4: http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html
PART- 5: http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html

...and from the Malaysian Medical Resources:






and very recently:








You see the development over the years...?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Mar 16 2011, 02:15 PM

If you're really into going to disaster areas, a nursing degree will do just fine too

Male nurses are in high demand.

He wants to be DOCTOR lah! Maybe too many shows on TV depicting them as the ultimate hero.

Anyway, I do support his aim but I think he should make a wiser choice. Just too many adverse comments on medic education in Russia.

"Cybersetan" has laid out all that he need to know.

apparently the russians cheated indians first in the past, before moving on to msians in the late 90's.......i repost the link to an article about a similar problem india faced in the 90's........

http://www.successcds.net/Articles/MBBS-IN-CHINA.htm

seriously, i keep on asking this question, and people still thinks nothing about it.....how and why on earth would a country like russia, where nobody speaks english, have a medical programme in english?..........it's just like, msia starts a med school taught in spanish......why?????

WhOa all I did was wishing you good luck and you said I criticized you. =\

And if you think I am being sarcastic, I am not. I have a few 2nd n 3rd year medic friends already telling me they are sick n tired of the course. That's why I asked you to tell me only after your 5 year course that you are very keen to serve the community or something.

Good to hear that. But words are still words, emptied of forms and all substance.

I agree with Limeuu, and credits to Cybersetan on the effort (TS do remember to listen/read through everything that he has posted)

If you're competent enough to be a doctor, why not aim for the best? I reckon you're fresh out of form 5, why not take STPM/Alvls/SAM first? Rather than going on a one way road with absolutely no chance to turn back. And I rather you do your MBBS degree locally than in Russia, be it ipta or ipts.

have a think about why you want to become a doctor, like seriously think about it. be honest with yourself. If it's the sole reason to 'help others', then go be a nurse. they literally are out there doing the nasty jobs we wont even think of doing, like cleaning the patients and changing them. A very very noble job. my point being, think properly. Studying med is not a trend. and I really hope parents and kids out there will realize this.

Studying medicine will hardly make you wealthy.

But studying medicine will never make you hungry.

If u single without any commitments, any job won't make u hungry also.

friend im going to finish my A2 soon. and yes i already thought very long, thats why i took A level. i agree with some of the points u say though. thanks

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Added on March 17, 2011, 12:47 amtotally agree! but wealth is not my aim, is what onelove89 said, i have the fire passion in me in helping those who need help from natural disaster, not merely just those who are sick here and there. so i guess thats the main reason i choose med, which gives a good enough reason to take this course



PS MANY THANKS TO CYBERSETAN FOR TAKING THE TROUBLE TO SEARCH FOR THE INFOS!

This post has been edited by x|aofiish: Mar 17 2011, 12:48 AM

May I suggest studying paramedics? retrieval nursing?

Will take you a long while looking after patients who are sick here and there before you will realise your passion.

but paramedics are not a fully qualified doctor, i want to go deep into it and know exactly how our body functions before i can stretch out my helping hand

in an emergency setting, in disasters, you do not need 'deep into it' knowledge.......in fact, rescue teams are always paramedics, you do NOT need a fully trained doctor in such work........

bottom line is, you want to be a doctor, with the title.....

try this kind of excuse in a selection interview at a world class med school, you are automatically discarded from the list.......believe me, they can see through you........

on the other hand, getting a degree in RU isn't that hard afterall. all it takes is 100USD to pass, per subject!

OWCH!!

well limeuu not that i want to disrespect you or what, but since the beginning i read all the arguments in a medical related thread that u were involved with 4 years ago are all critics.honestly im only saying this because i feel offended,by the way you accuse me of having the ambition of being a doctor is just because of the title.

so in your honest opinion, what's the qualification and criteria to become a doctor in YOUR eyes? i won't deny that part of the reason i want to be a doctor is because of the glamour(i believe alot of ppl chose to do medical before they actually enroll in it,have exactly the same mindset), but for me it takes only a very low percentage, most important is that i have passion in doing medical thats first, on top of that im qualified for that in terms of my academic performance,i chose to do it in russia is only due to financial issue.So i don't think i need anymore job suggestions because i know what i want, in fact i open this thread is to know more about doing med in russia thats all, from ppl who actually have experience like students who're already doing med there for a few years, so i hope you guys won't diverge from the topic and start questioning me why i chose to study med. and regarding the excuse in a selection interview you mentioned above, so in YOUR honest opinion, what kind of excuse will they only accept? since you have your very own set of thinking when it comes to medical, i would like to hear your view on this.

This post has been edited by x|aofiish: Mar 17 2011, 08:19 PM

Worry not, I don't think an entry interview is required for russian universities. Have you considered IMU-PMS/Manipal/Monash? Russia is fast becoming an unpopular destination for MBBS.

IMU- 120k more than russia, but will consider about it if i were to do it in msia
Manipal- most probably not for now,thought of it, but the last 2 years will be doing it in melaka, so cert will be given in msia, so it's not worldwide recognised. (correct me if im wrong)
Monash- out of consideration, too expensive for local.

is the russian degree recognized in many parts of the world?

not recognised by US. all medical students must sit for another entrance exam to enter US uni or work there,regardless of where u graduated from. Australia also same.

and a russian degree is?......

Closer to home, NONE of the russian universities are recognised by Singapore currently. As far as Malaysia is concerned, you may have read the latest news that one can study medicine in any university now, provided you sit for the licensing examination in Malaysia before you can practice in the country. So it would seem you choice has widened considerably. Of course if you want to have a medical degree that is recognised in other countries of your personal interest, then you may want to research further.

Since you are so wanna to be a doctor....Russian med school may not be a good training place for you....Please do more research on Russian Med School and read more news and get more info from your senior....you will know that russian med school is definitely not your "choice". Most of the incompetent med gradutes or HO in our public hospital are produced by egypt and russian med school...they don't know how to take proper history, don't know how to do proper venepunture and don't know how to do I.V. drips on patients....Isn't that scary....

Local med school especially those IPTS are not as established as world class med school or IPTA but at least the med graduates do not buy to pass and have at least sufficient basic clinical experience...Most complains about incompetency are from russian med graduates...

If you really compared the total fees of russian med school with local IPTS(CUCMS,AIMST,UNIKL(RCMP),UTAR...) properly they will no much different and if you are going to moscow...stop thinking about you can save money and reduce expenses there...according to one of my senior from MMA...He calculated the total fees(tuition fees+expenses) for 6 years programme cost him about RM400K.....

Just do locally.

this is the best advice any1 can give u. unless u wanna experience life in russia. either better or worse, only those who have been there can tell u. just remember to hide when theyre coming for asians

Just cannot understand that despite all the feedback received on the proposed medic education in Russia, TS still very much insist that its the ONLY and best option. He must have been very much influenced by the marketing ppl for the program.

Its NOT too late to relook at your options than to regret later. Furthermore, if financial position is one of the issues, the more you have to make sure so that money is well spent.

Hi guys. My bro is a doctor from RSMU under JPA scholarship. From what I heard from him, if you're not a JPA scholar, you will get treated very badly from the school and the others. The same goes for MMA and RSMU.

I've some inquiry based on curiosity.

How about doing medicine in India? Is it good? Due to so many feedback and news reporting the lack of quality of the doctors graduated from Russia, I wonder why so many people still prefer Russia over India? Is it 'coz of India consume more money than Russia?

Thanks.

india.....

good med schools are expensive now (as much or more than ipts here)........AND very very difficult to get in......

there is a restriction imposed by the india gov in the number of foreign students taken in.....that has decreased the number of opportunities, and make the entry requirement very high, higher than ipts........

however, 'twinned' med schools have no such restrictions, but are not recognised by the indian gov for registration in india......

TS, if you really want to help victims in disaster-stricken areas, might I suggest you take a degree in paramedical science? These people are qualified to do so, and they are the first people to attend to the victims before they are sent to the hospitals where they are further assessed by the doctors. That way, you get to know about the medical line and know what you are getting yourself into.

If you believe that, say after 5 years of being a paramedic is not enough, by all means, apply for graduate entry medicine programme in the States, Canada, Australia or UK. The admission tutors will know that you fully understand and mature enough to undertake the demands of being in the medical field as you have prior experience as a paramedic. With that being said, entry to these graduate entry programmes are really competitive so, for foreigners it would be much tougher. But hey, if you are truly passionate about the medical field, these things shouldn't be a hurdle to you, no? Finance wise, I am not able to comment much, so you really have some research to do.

And really, the thought of you wanting to go to Russia to study medicine is truly shocking. Any sane person who have their heart set on medicine, and I mean those who really really want to care for people, would certainly not go there, given that those who graduated (not all, but most) from there would pose a threat to others' lives. I know that you maybe silently protesting right now, saying that when you are there, you would not be another Russian medical graduate but strive to be the best of the best, to go beyond the curriculum and work hard etc. But seriously, think about this, why the hell would you want to jeopardize your future medical career by going to Russia? The mere act of mentioning that you are from Russia will immediately turn most patients away, simply because people are well aware that these medical graduates are incompetent and do not even know the basic procedures in medicine. Also, you may think being the best student in your year will automatically qualifies you as being on par with medical graduates from other countries (with other countries, I mean UK, US, Australia etc. Developed countries if you will), but how would you know? Their curricula maybe different, the practical they have done maybe vastly different than yours, heck, the experience they gain studying in their university is entirely different from yours, seeing how are they are constantly surrounded by brilliant students (well, assuming most of them are) and lecturers who constantly push them to go beyond the boundaries and improve themselves. Maybe the statement is a bit sweeping, but at least these medical graduates have the necessary skill and knowledge to work in the hospital.

If you have known any better, you would have bust your ass during A-Levels (I do not know what results you got for your A-Levels), do some volunteering work in the hospitals or maybe shadow some doctors to demonstrate that you have the initiative to learn more about medicine and what it takes to be in the medical field. Most top universities in the world would really like to see these qualities in their medical students. So, I suggest that you go to any hospitals right now, ask to see if they need volunteers or email to physicians/specialist to see if they are willing to let you shadow them.

As you can see, judging from my statements above, I have quite a bit of resentment towards Russian universities. But who I am to blame, knowing that literally anyone who is anyone can be admitted to their medical programmes. TS, I am not here to discourage you but I am hoping that you can think this through before jumping to any decisions that you might regret later on.

This post has been edited by edge_seraph: Mar 18 2011, 01:02 PM

the moment i saw the topic, i know the TS is in for hell!

it's not that we are discouraging you to be a doctor. It's just that well.... Russia isn't that good of a place for you to be a proper one, if you intend to be, and i assume you intend to be as well. I would say, msia IPTS is better than going to Russia (from all the news I've heard about it, and from all the feedback from forumers) If financially challenged, at least there are loans out there for you in Malaysia. Have to say, it's all worth it to spend a lil bit more on education honestly speaking.

hey, lomonosov state uni! my friend currently studies there. watch out for the classes though. theyre extremely compact. 8 to 5pm erryday. and be careful of russians. contrary to popular belief, theyre actually racist to the bone. my friend's friend got his tooth extracted in an alleyway by a bunch of thugs because he's chinese. JPA student, straight A's.

Anyways, good luck on your quest! Nevermind those who said mbbs is a waste of money and such. one does not obtain the knowledge of medicine by simply sitting on your chair staring at the computer on a daily basis, it takes a lot of corpses and teachers to guide you through medical excellency and understanding.

hello, i just finished my stpm. i have the same dream as u. How u get to know the Moscow Medical University.... i really nid someone to tell me about the Uni and do u mind to give me ur email address and hp number to my email at

My email address : zeoilen@hotmail.com

Plz reply me asap... who knows i will b ur future colleage in the same Uni in Russia studying medic

It's a bit sad that you have to learn ur medicine thru corpses dont ya think =(

Hey Im studying in Russia, Moscow to be exact.

If you have the means pursue other options. But if you are hellbent on coming here, make sure you come with a good attitude to study.

Moscow is a place where you truly learn alot if you have a good attitude:)

Yeah, i support you!

i'll be going there already, i just got my offer letter..
but before there were all the hassles between the agents, trying to snatch students to their side, to be exact i was introduced to global academy agent, but Medic-ed heard about it, dis guy called "DR HO" came and told me that i was cheated bla bla just because my offer letter doesn't have a header on it asked me to take back the rm3k downpayment and let them handle the situation...
one whole stupid drama!

Dear xiaofiish,
this DR HO again.......
Read my thread in [Medic ED Consultant(Con and Insult) Sdn Bhd], my cousin back in 2009 oso having some issue with him........
u knw wat my family member alwiz said? Ask Ho = AssHo** (sorry to be rude)
How come Malaysia got this kind of DocTor which is using Dr title to 'do show'? he bringing shame to our medical line......

take care.

Hannah San
Joined: Today, 10:48 AM
Another person who just suddenly register today and who's only post seems to be on defending Medic Ed
There's a lot of you guys lately =P
Not that I'm taking Jayson Chow's side but if you want to defend your agency, do so openly not by creating multiple dupe accounts and try to make it look like your a bunch of random people who just happens to register and just happens to be supporting Medic Ed. =D
You yourself is trying to expose somebody else by hiding behind a guise of some random person =P

i tell u guys what, dis dr ho kept on phoning me and my father, trying so hard to sabotage and bad mouth other agents by saying they're not recognised, not legal, going to bankrupt, and u know what? most funny is when my dad asked this so called " DR" ho to come out and show the prove for saying so mny things, he refused to.
it's so obvious man this fella is not a dr, he just bought dis name, if u hav common sense, i mean come on, you are a doctor, be professional, if u are really a doctor do u think there is such a need to bad mouth other ppl just for a small amount or money?

YET, i have a friend whos still so stupid, insisting, and planning to further studies through medic-ed. this shows how convincing they can be...in a bad way of course.

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Added on April 16, 2011, 2:07 pmhaha dont worry im following tight your thread from time to time.

This post has been edited by x|aofiish: Apr 16 2011, 02:07 PM

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If you adamant of going to russia
Don't go out without a girl accompanying you out of your hostel campus in Moscow, stay in campus hostel, do not ever try get a local girlfriend(Russian) and do not talk much with the locals(outside of campus)- if you disobey these rules: you will be whacked.

I would suggest for you to do locally, if you get in.
These universities lecturers are good and well established.
UTAR is quite cheap: RM260k
AIMST: around RM 295K
RCMP unikl: RM300k.

PTPTN loan is available from RM150k-250k- depends on your parents income category.
very low interest :1%, and might even be abolished .


Local grads are better than russian grads: the patients in russia will not allow you to touch them, they think that you are inferior to them and they will not respect you.
If I were you: I will do locally.
If any war erupts, your studies will be affected.
If you don't finish on time and recognition has been withdrawn, you will not be able to pass the local UM exam( extremely tough : only 5-10% pass).

Your parents do not understand certain things, naive, lack of knowledge and are trusting the agent, they should consult a specialist before making this decision for you.

This post has been edited by powerlinkers: Apr 30 2020, 06:56 PM

Its been 9 years.. hows your career going? How was russia?

U might want to consider UM MBBS either through UPU or their own direct intake (SATU Saluran- Rm300k) since yr result is good I assume. Both channels recognised A Levels. UM requires all applicant to take an test which is called BMAT before they select u for the interview. Btw, u need 3A for yr A level for MBBS.
U can check out more in their website if u decide to change yr mind. Good luck!