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University MBBS in russia, URGENTLYseriouslyyyy neeeed heeelp!!! :(

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TSx|aofiish
post Mar 15 2011, 07:22 PM, updated 15y ago

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just wanna ask you guys is there anyone whos taking MBBS in russia? because my parents are going to send me there by this september, going to Moscow Medical University. I hope to know more about the lifestyle there, how high is the level of competition, is the living standard high etc..
just share if you are taking MBBS in russia or you once stayed in russia for a period of time.

thanks guys your replies will be very much appreciated smile.gif

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post Mar 15 2011, 08:09 PM

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there are many threads already........

search for them lah.....

eg:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...sian+med+school
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...sian+med+school
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...sian+med+school
TSx|aofiish
post Mar 15 2011, 08:14 PM

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oh my god thank you very much my friend, appreciate very much!
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post Mar 15 2011, 11:30 PM

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it's already flooding with doctors now, u sure u still wanna do mbbs?
TSx|aofiish
post Mar 16 2011, 12:01 AM

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mbbs is just a basic for me, i have bigger dreams than being a doctor smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2011, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(x|aofiish @ Mar 16 2011, 12:01 AM)
mbbs is just a basic for me, i have bigger dreams than being a doctor smile.gif
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you don't want to be a doctor yet you want to study medicine? hmm.gif
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post Mar 16 2011, 12:26 AM

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nola bro, i want to be a doctor, but besides being a doctor i have my aims of life for being a doctor, not just sitting in the clinic waiting patients smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2011, 12:28 AM

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unfortunately what you aim for might not materialise all the time. good luck on your journey. smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2011, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 16 2011, 12:28 AM)
unfortunately what you aim for might not materialise all the time. good luck on your journey. smile.gif
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do u know even know what's my aim? it's not hard actually, but im sure in the end i'll feel the satisfaction and able to contribute to the community. of course im not a dreamer, i will take action and step out to materialise it.
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post Mar 16 2011, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(x|aofiish @ Mar 16 2011, 12:36 AM)
do u know even know what's my aim? it's not hard actually, but im sure in the end i'll feel the satisfaction and able to contribute to the community. of course im not a dreamer, i will take action and step out to materialise it.
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don't tell me now. tell me after 5 years. good luck!!
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post Mar 16 2011, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 16 2011, 12:47 AM)
don't tell me now. tell me after 5 years. good luck!!
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thanks for being so encouraging smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2011, 01:21 AM

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if one has no intention of continuing practising medicine, even BEFORE starting, one should not start........

what's the point?.......just for the glamour of having the dr in front of name?.......

training of doctors should NEVER be like other courses, where people often just do, just to do something........all civilised countries aims to select the best students, give them the best training, and facilitate them to contribute a lifetime of medical service to the community......any doctor who stops practice is wasted resource, and wasted money used in training him........

unfortunately, in msia, it looks like medicine has become a commodity like any other course.........became so easy and cheap, it becomes the means to another end, instead of the end itself......
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post Mar 16 2011, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 16 2011, 01:21 AM)
if one has no intention of continuing practising medicine, even BEFORE starting, one should not start........

what's the point?.......just for the glamour of having the dr in front of name?.......

training of doctors should NEVER be like other courses, where people often just do, just to do something........all civilised countries aims to select the best students, give them the best training, and facilitate them to contribute a lifetime of medical service to the community......any doctor who stops practice is wasted resource, and wasted money used in training him........

unfortunately, in msia, it looks like medicine has become a commodity like any other course.........became so easy and cheap, it becomes the means to another end, instead of the end itself......
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i agree with you, im just going to start MBBS by this sept, however, i know clearly what i want and what im capable of, i don't know whats the intention of zstan saying stuff like that, just to get his own self satisfaction by making others suffer. Diff ppl will have diff preference, some might say A is good, B is not, some will say the otherwise. but i believe that it's still depends on the individual's attitude, if he or she has the right attitude, no matter where he or she studies, still will be able to excel putting aside which Uni he or she graduated from.

ps: sry if im not replying based on what you replied, coz im very tired now and plus what i saw u wrote 4 years ago, back in 2007 lol this is what i can conclude after reading 9 pages of previous thread that you showed me. it's just my 2 cents.

oh ya ill be doing it in MMA, so limeuu i suppose u're experienced in this, as my senior do u hav any suggestions or advices for me?

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post Mar 16 2011, 10:36 AM

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Not merely practising in clinic.

Maybe getting emotional over the sufferings from the recent earthquakes in NZ and Japan and would like to lend a hand in future in disaster stricken areas.

In that case, I dont think your Russian degree will give you the necessary skills.
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QUOTE(x|aofiish @ Mar 16 2011, 02:04 AM)
Diff ppl will have diff preference, some might say A is good, B is not, some will say the otherwise. but i believe that it's still depends on the individual's attitude, if he or she has the right attitude, no matter where he or she studies, still will be able to excel putting aside which Uni he or she graduated from.
it does not work this way, as far as healthcare and training of doctors are concerned......it's NOT up to an individual's opinion..............good med schools are universally good, and bad ones bad........through objective measurements......there are so many ranking lists, the good ones consistently rank high.......bad ones never appear in any lists.........

and while attitude is important, more important is the innate capability of the student, and the actual training he receives.........all components must be there.....why should there be any compromise?.........
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Medic is different from ACCA Or Law, where you stay at home with self-study and you can pass.
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 16 2011, 10:36 AM)
Not merely practising in clinic.

Maybe getting emotional over the sufferings from the recent earthquakes in NZ and Japan and would like to lend a hand in future in disaster stricken areas.

In that case, I dont think your Russian degree will give you the necessary skills.
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yes my friend, my aim is smth like that..
but i dare not tell anyone as it's still too early to talk about it, ppl will just critisise u like what zstan did above.
btw what makes u say russian degree will NOT give the necessary skills?
mind to elaborate?


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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 16 2011, 11:34 AM)
it does not work this way, as far as healthcare and training of doctors are concerned......it's NOT up to an individual's opinion..............good med schools are universally good, and bad ones bad........through objective measurements......there are so many ranking lists, the good ones consistently rank high.......bad ones never appear in any lists.........

and while attitude is important, more important is the innate capability of the student, and the actual training he receives.........all components must be there.....why should there be any compromise?.........
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well u're experience in this i won't say anything on ur comment as u have ur point there also.
but back to the topic, what do u think of doing med in russia? if u were to choose doing med course in russia compared to doing it in local private u, which one will u go for? considering all factors, security,living standard,standard of the uni and etc...

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QUOTE(x|aofiish @ Mar 16 2011, 02:04 PM)
yes my friend, my aim is smth like that..
but i dare not tell anyone as it's still too early to talk about it, ppl will just critisise u like what zstan did above.
btw what makes u say russian degree will NOT give the necessary skills?
mind to elaborate?


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well u're experience in this i won't say anything on ur comment as u have ur point there also.
but back to the topic, what do u think of doing med in russia? if u were to choose doing  med course in russia compared to doing it in local private u, which one will u go for? considering all factors, security,living standard,standard of the uni and etc...
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Unless you haven't read the first THREE links provided to you early in this topic - you MUST READ THE ENTIRE THING BELOW ONE BY ONE -
My post taken from some other thread:






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Why need to stop these universities? They are cheap because sponsored by their government and their studies are one of the best and very strict.
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You obviously have not been following the developments/news/situations regarding medical education in Malaysia.
Do read the following, some of them I have put in a chronological order:


In the beginning.....

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Sunday May 16, 2004

Russian medical options

BY KAREN CHAPMAN

WHEN it comes to studying medicine, Russia is probably not the first destination that comes to mind. Most students would cite the United Kingdom or even Australia as their top choice.

But before you dismiss Russia on grounds that you simply couldn't possibly master the Russian language or withstand those absolutely freezing temperatures, think again! Studying medicine in Russia might just turn out to be the best option for you if your financial resources are limited.

More and more Malaysians today are looking at Russia for a medical degree. Abdullah Mohd Salleh will tell you that studying medicine in Russia is not without its advantages His daughter, a fourth year medical student in Moscow Medical Academy, is not only under the tutelage of some of the finest doctors in the world but has also picked up the Russian language and is actively involved in student life....

Full Text: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5&sec=education (From May 2004)



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Then...

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Sunday November 9, 2008

From Russia with love


Story and photos by JACKSON CHUNG

A student gives his take on the “highs” and “lows” of studying and living in Russia.

IN the last couple of years, Russia has become a hotbed for young Malaysians who wish to pursue a career in medicine. Why? Plain and simple — its tuition fees are particularly low.

Four years ago, I was among 180 Malaysian students who entered the Russian State Medical University (RSMU) in Moscow, referred to as the Second Medical University by the locals. Although I was a freshman in a foreign university surrounded by people who spoke a language I’d only heard in movies, I was still excited to be here.

Full Text: http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...4&sec=education (From Nov 2008)



Then comes....

Product of the System (POTS) Blog : Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure


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resuscitated a corpse today. Needless to say, I failed.

I pumped air and fluids and drugs into a man who was already dead.

Ahmad (not his real name) was stiff as a log by the time I was referred to him, more of a cadaver than a human being in distress.

It was not difficult to see why.

The first house officer was breaking his ribs instead of pumping his heart.

His counterpart had no experience in setting an intravenous cannula ever before.

The third of the trio simply stood by – an idle spectator in the midst of chaos. He should have brought some popcorn with him instead of a stethoscope.

The three had one thing in common – they graduated from medical schools in Ukraine and Russia.

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For full text - click the links below




PART- 1 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html
PART- 2 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...ort-and_24.html
PART- 3 : http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...ort-and_27.html
PART- 4: http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html
PART- 5: http://unwantedcitizen.blogspot.com/2009/0...upport-and.html

...and from the Malaysian Medical Resources:


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Concern over Russia and Ukraine Med Schools

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and very recently:


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Sunday December 12, 2010

Cleaning house

By RICHARD LIM and LOH FOON FONG
educate@thestar.com.my

Concerns persist regarding the quality of medical graduates and the Government is preparing a number of initiatives to finetune the system.

HOW hard is it to tell the difference between a sleeping patient and a cyanosed one who is on course to meet his maker?

Observing the simple rise and fall of one’s chest would be a good start. Checking for a pulse would be another and observing that the patient has turned blue is an absolute must.

However, the obvious did not happen in the case of one Pak Abu, who was deemed to be sleeping by house officers.

Fortunately, an observant doctor on his last rounds came into the picture and Pak Abu was resuscitated.

The three house officers in charge, who graduated from Russian and Ukrainian universities, were reprimanded for negligence, and things went from bad to worse when it was discovered that they did not know the basics of resuscitation or what an oxygen face mask was.

Full Text: http://thestar.com.my/education/story.asp?...4&sec=education






You see the development over the years...?

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If you're really into going to disaster areas, a nursing degree will do just fine too smile.gif

Male nurses are in high demand.
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post Mar 16 2011, 02:30 PM

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If you're really into going to disaster areas, a nursing degree will do just fine too smile.gif

Male nurses are in high demand.
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He wants to be DOCTOR lah! Maybe too many shows on TV depicting them as the ultimate hero.

Anyway, I do support his aim but I think he should make a wiser choice. Just too many adverse comments on medic education in Russia.

"Cybersetan" has laid out all that he need to know.

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