Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Education Insurance for Child, for the purpose of income tax relief

views
     
yeyayey
post Mar 11 2011, 03:57 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
there are alot endowment plan outside. in order for tax relief endowment plan. it must get the policy which has the word "education".

i believe all insurance company like prudential, AIA, ING, Great Eastern also having the similar edu plan. just maybe some of them does not have the education word in the policy, hence is not entitle for the tax relief.

Also, please be cautions on the % return as well. do not just believe what ever % return that show in the proposal. always refer to the bank negara report and the report will tell you the actual company performance or investment performance that the company actually perform.

thanks
Gen-X
post Mar 11 2011, 08:05 PM

Lifetime LYN Member
Group Icon
Elite
8,601 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL

QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 11 2011, 03:57 PM)
there are alot endowment plan outside. in order for tax relief endowment plan. it must get the policy which has the word "education".

i believe all insurance company like prudential, AIA, ING, Great Eastern also having the similar edu plan. just maybe some of them does not have the education word in the policy, hence is not entitle for the tax relief.

Also, please be cautions on the % return as well. do not just believe what ever % return that show in the proposal. always refer to the bank negara report and the report will tell you the actual company performance or investment performance that the company actually perform.

thanks
*
Well mine I got Edu and Medical plans for my two children with Prudential and the do break up portion of the premiums paid for Education and Medical in the Statement sent to me yearly for Income Tax purposes.
yeyayey
post Mar 11 2011, 09:55 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
do you mean your prudential Edu plan combine with the medical plan? how many policy you bought for your each son? is it in your one policy, there are medical coverage + edu saving? may I know what kind of medical coverage is that? just death / TPD benefit or have other medication benefit? also may i know the policy or plan name for prudential?

The tax relief I mentioned here is for the plan which only cover death / TPD benefit + education saving. no other medical coverage inside. thanks
Gen-X
post Mar 11 2011, 10:08 PM

Lifetime LYN Member
Group Icon
Elite
8,601 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL

QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 11 2011, 09:55 PM)
do you mean your prudential Edu plan combine with the medical plan? how many policy you bought for your each son? is it in your one policy, there are medical coverage + edu saving? may I know what kind of medical coverage is that? just death / TPD benefit or have other medication benefit?  also may i know the policy or plan name for prudential?

The tax relief I mentioned here is for the plan which only cover death / TPD benefit + education saving. no other medical coverage inside. thanks
*
Yes, my policy is combine Edu and Medical under 1 single policy for two of youngest children and its called Prulink Education Plan. Medication is included I think (no co-issured) because it was bought back in 2005. New policies bought for two older children pure Medical in 2009 got co-insurred and therefore no medication.

Maybe some Prudential agents can answer yeyayey question.
yeyayey
post Mar 11 2011, 10:27 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
in this case, it's confirm that Prudential will break up portion of the premiums paid for Education and Medical if combine medical coverage and edu saving under one policy.

Also, would like to share this info to you guys. not tend to offend any prudential agent. medical coverage for prudential charges is slightly higher compare to Great Eastern. for the same plan and same age range. eg, the medical plan until age 80, 200 daily room & board for age 31-35 male, prudential charges is RM1,621, while Great Eastern charges RM498.

Therefore, if a person paid RM3,000 yearly for his premium, prudential will use up more premium in medical coverage hence less protection only able to provide. While great eastern could provide more coverage since the medical charges is less. maybe can get the same protection but less premium also.

Again, I am not tend to offend prudential or any others. just like to share this to others only. sorry if I have said anything wrong here. you guys can check the details charges from prudential website. thanks

Colaboy
post Mar 11 2011, 11:51 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
670 posts

Joined: Aug 2005


QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 11 2011, 10:27 PM)
in this case, it's confirm that Prudential will break up portion of the premiums paid for Education and Medical if combine medical coverage and edu saving under one policy.

Also, would like to share this info to you guys. not tend to offend any prudential agent. medical coverage for prudential charges is slightly higher compare to Great Eastern. for the same plan and same age range. eg, the medical plan until age 80, 200 daily room & board for age 31-35 male, prudential charges is RM1,621, while Great Eastern charges RM498.

Therefore, if a person paid RM3,000 yearly for his premium, prudential will use up more premium in medical coverage hence less protection only able to provide. While great eastern could provide more coverage since the medical charges is less. maybe can get the same protection but less premium also.

Again, I am not tend to offend prudential or any others. just like to share this to others only. sorry if I have said anything wrong here. you guys can check the details charges from prudential website. thanks
*
RM1,621, vs RM498 - Haha . . . this figure is a little imposible. Just imagine you are buying a toyota vios / honda city. Both will have 1.6 engine & price range will be similiar. The price should be 1.6k +/- , even if you go for standalone medical card those under AIA, it wont be as cheap as RM498 per year for a adult age 30. End of the day . . . comparing prices for medical insurance is not important. What important is if you have any illness whether it's covor or not, renewable or not, & of course is there any agent to service you.
jamzz
post Mar 12 2011, 12:02 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
365 posts

Joined: Aug 2009
Do consider HLA too biggrin.gif
yeyayey
post Mar 12 2011, 12:16 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
again I am just sharing this information out only. not tend to offend anyone. you can double confirm with prudential & great eastern. I have both the charges on my hand.

for sure the premium calculation is not directly calculate base on the RM1,621 and RM498. it will calculate the remaining years and include it in the premium. however if you break down the charges, it's the charges. you can call to prudential and great eastern to double check.

for medical coverage, for a same PruHealth 200 product & SM200, annual limit for prudential is RM75,000 and life time limit RM750,000 while great eastern smart medic SM200 plan. annual limit at RM90,000 and life time limit RM960,000. for Great Eastern smart medic plan, it's not a standalone medical card. it's guarantee renewable until age 80. the last entry age for SM200 is age 65.

while for critical illness coverage, Great Eastern smart early payout will start pay the claim in different % when illness at 0 stage or 1 stage. while other conventional plan only paid the claim at 2 stage or later.

correct me if anything wrong and sorry if anyone is offend on this. thanks

Gen-X
post Mar 12 2011, 12:25 AM

Lifetime LYN Member
Group Icon
Elite
8,601 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL

yeyayey:I guess the difference in premium is becuase in Prudential case a certain sum of the premium is used to buy prudential unit trust where as GE is stand alone and you don't get a sen if you don't make a claim end of the day.

Am I correct to say this, anyone?
yeyayey
post Mar 12 2011, 12:34 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
no, I am mention the Investment-linked product from Great Eastern. Smart Invest Essential Product. not a standalone plan.

It's similar to Prudential PruLink. Which include Death/TPD benefit, 36 critical illness, Personal Accident, medical coverage and etc etc riders. Also the remaining premium will convert into units for investment purpose where policy holder can withdraw the saving later.
Gen-X
post Mar 12 2011, 12:38 AM

Lifetime LYN Member
Group Icon
Elite
8,601 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL

QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 12 2011, 12:34 AM)
no, I am mention the Investment-linked product from Great Eastern. Smart Invest Essential Product. not a standalone plan.

It's similar to Prudential PruLink. Which include Death/TPD benefit, 36 critical illness, Personal Accident, medical coverage and etc etc riders. Also the remaining premium will convert into units for investment purpose where policy holder can withdraw the saving later.
*
thank you for the info, I must go check it out and see worthwhile to convert for two of my older children medical policy to GE and save some money smile.gif
[f]ireZz[kf]
post Mar 12 2011, 01:04 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
63 posts

Joined: Feb 2009
From: Klang Valley; Seremban


You guys can check the premium and schedule of benefits here

http://financialfreedomhereigo.blogspot.co...20Smart%20Medic

http://financialfreedomhereigo.blogspot.co...NS-%20PRUhealth
chew_ronnie
post Mar 12 2011, 01:55 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
380 posts

Joined: Feb 2009


QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 12 2011, 12:38 AM)
thank you for the info, I must go check it out and see worthwhile to convert for two of my older children medical policy to GE and save some money smile.gif
*
U may want to compare with Allianz medical card too. The cost of insurance is even lower than Pru and GE, and no co insurance incurred.

I can show u the breakdown if u want. Check it on my website under Powerlink medical card section. @ www.blueangel.info

Thanks

This post has been edited by chew_ronnie: Mar 12 2011, 02:04 AM
yeyayey
post Mar 12 2011, 02:23 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
thanks [f]ireZz[kf] for sharing the medical charges link.

also, as I've mentioned early. It's so crucial to identify the insurance company actual performance. always refer to the bank negara report and the report will tell you the company performance that the company actually perform.

If you refer to the bank negara report, Great Eastern has the largest asset, the company performance is the highest compare to others. In order word, the cash value or return will be higher compare to others.

If you guys are not aware, Great Eastern are actually belongs to OCBC, hence the performance is more stable and better investment return. thanks
chew_ronnie
post Mar 12 2011, 02:43 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
380 posts

Joined: Feb 2009


QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 12 2011, 02:23 AM)
thanks [f]ireZz[kf] for sharing the medical charges link.

also, as I've mentioned early. It's so crucial to identify the insurance company actual performance. always refer to the bank negara report and the report will tell you the company performance that the company actually perform.

If you refer to the bank negara report, Great Eastern has the largest asset, the company performance is the highest compare to others. In order word, the cash value or return will be higher compare to others.

If you guys are not aware, Great Eastern are actually belongs to OCBC, hence the performance is more stable and better investment return. thanks
*
I'm sorry if I would offend u for my below statement. I apologize 1st and foremost.

I dun actually agree with u on the statement saying that largest insurer in M'sia is the most stable and the funds will be the best. It is like saying that M'sia's largest car producer is Proton, and Proton is the best!

I compare based on facts, not by talking, just take a look at the fund prices of GE, Allianz and Prudential. All funds are launched at RM1 per unit and you can see that over the years, all funds are going up and down. If you compare these 3 companies, say example managed funds.

GE: Lion Balance Fund NAV RM 2.684 https://www.epartner.com.my/ePartner3_fpms/...ion=FundListing
Pru: PruLink Managed Fund NAV RM 2.655 http://www2.prudential.com.my/fundpriceV2/daily.php
Allianz: Allianz Life Managed Fund NAV RM 3.720 https://www.allianz.com.my/cls/content_fund.aspx?t=448

In this scenario, can we assume that Allianz's fund has outperformed the others? Of course it also depend on the date of launching.

What i'm trying to say here is that, in investment linked funds, it is unit trust and NO one can predict what will happen in the future. The largest company MAY NOT perform the best.

Sorry for being harshed here.
yeyayey
post Mar 12 2011, 03:12 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
14 posts

Joined: Jan 2008
not worry, it's just a discussion here. no offending occur smile.gif

I am agreed that largest company not perform the best and no one can predict what will happen in the future especially comes to investment. Please not get me wrong, I am not saying other company not perform well in their investment fund.

From the Allianz managed fund, it's show a very good figure. However it's very hard for us to calculate the actual policy yearly return. so many criteria we need to consider in, the bid price and offer price for the particular policy. for the pass Great Eastern balance fund performance, it hit 29.29% return on 2009 and 18.2% on 2010. This figure is from Personal Money Magazine.

Also, I have a latest copy of bank negara report which show Great Eastern Company Performance has a better performance compare to others. However it might subject to change cause bank negara report always give abit out dated data due to each company have different financial year end period. mad.gif
TSpoolcarpet
post Mar 12 2011, 08:42 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
548 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: Mars
Hi all,

Thanks for the very good discussion... so in the end, there is no policy out there that can meet my specific requirements, right?

1. Education insurance for child
2. 3k premium per year, either payable monthly, quarterly or yearly not a problem.
3. Minimum protection of life/TPD of child - RM10k? RM5k even if possible?
4. Cash value upon maturity
5. 100% tax relief claimable (of the 3k)

There is no such policy? The idea is to take advantage of the income tax relief, say at 26% - the 'effective' payment is RM2220 for the 3k premiums. Assuming Great Eduplanner can fit this for the 15 yr policy, that means total premiums paid RM22,220 over 10yrs and upon maturity at 15 yrs, cash value will be paid out.

I appreciate all the PMs and info, but I am very specific in what I'm looking for - if this does not exist, that's fine - I'm not looking for any other insurance/medical/CI/savings/etc...... Thank you!!

This post has been edited by poolcarpet: Mar 12 2011, 08:45 AM
Nepo
post Mar 12 2011, 08:43 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Dec 2010


delete


This post has been edited by Nepo: Mar 12 2011, 09:18 AM
TSpoolcarpet
post Mar 12 2011, 08:51 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
548 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: Mars
Just to put in my comments - not to offend ANY agents or insurance companies here. But ALWAYS ALWAYS remember past performance does not indicate future performance. Even if a company is doing well now, anything can happen. Would anyone have predicted what happened to AIG? All companies exist to earn profit. Give value to shareholders. Board and management can change. Policies can change which might affect one company over another. No one can predict the future.

So that is why I personally don't like being too tied down to a certain insurance company. Those policies which mention coverage till 80/90/100 yrs especially, personally I would avoid those. But that's only me. I prefer shorter term coverage, e.g. 1 year PA renewed yearly for coverage against accidents, e.g. for education I want the coverage to mature when child turns 18 or 20 latest. At that time, I can look at my financial position (can I dream and possibly be the next Robert Kuok?) and then re-evaluate my needs (if I have billions, do I even need any more insurance? tongue.gif).


QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 12 2011, 03:12 AM)
not worry, it's just a discussion here. no offending occur smile.gif

I am agreed that largest company not perform the best and no one can predict what will happen in the future especially comes to investment. Please not get me wrong, I am not saying other company not perform well in their investment fund.

From the Allianz managed fund, it's show a very good figure. However it's very hard for us to calculate the actual policy yearly return. so many criteria we need to consider in, the bid price and offer price for the particular policy. for the pass Great Eastern balance fund performance, it hit 29.29% return on 2009 and 18.2% on 2010. This figure is from Personal Money Magazine.

Also, I have a latest copy of bank negara report which show Great Eastern Company Performance has a better performance compare to others. However it might subject to change cause bank negara report always give abit out dated data due to each company have different financial year end period. mad.gif
*

Added on March 12, 2011, 8:55 amThanks Nepo, I am of the opinion any insurance policy for children should cover the life of parent not child. I have seen few proposals where the insured is the child, to me, what for? I get proposals for RM150k coverage on child. If anything happens to my child, I don't want a single sen. It should be the other way round, anything happens to ME, then the child is the beneficiary (to support his future education needs).

I would be very grateful, if anyone can let me know which education insurance fits my requirements and also these below (insured = parent)

Thanks!

QUOTE(Nepo @ Mar 12 2011, 08:43 AM)
To qualify as tax dedution for an education policy , the following criteria will have to be satisfied:-

EDUCATION POLICY

I) The beneficiary shall be the child;

ii) The insured can be the parent or the child;
    Where the parent is the insured
      Where the insured is the parent, the child must be the nominee.

      b). The rider must also have the same duration as the basic policy.

      c). Where the payor benefit is attached as a rider (i.e. separate premium is paid in addition to the premium for the basic policy) or in packaged together with the basic policy (i.e. single premium), the premium paid will qualify for tax deduction.

      d). Where the payor of the policy does not qualify for payor benefit (due to high risk), the premium paid for the basic policy will not qualify for tax deduction.
iii). In respect of a takaful policy, the participant is the parent and proceeds of the policy must be made "hibah" (gift) to the child.

iv). The maturity amount or periodical payment of maturity amount in respect of both conventional or takaful policy, must be scheduled to be payable when the child is between the ages of 13 to 25
*
This post has been edited by poolcarpet: Mar 12 2011, 08:55 AM
TSpoolcarpet
post Mar 12 2011, 09:23 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
548 posts

Joined: Sep 2005
From: Mars
i am very surprised if insurance companies haven't done this for their potential customers! smile.gif

QUOTE(ericfck @ Mar 12 2011, 09:05 AM)
i think if u want to cfm wether which plan can qualify for education tax relief, juz print out the proposals n go ask at inland revenue board.
*

Added on March 12, 2011, 9:24 amwhy delete?

QUOTE(Nepo @ Mar 12 2011, 08:43 AM)
delete
*
This post has been edited by poolcarpet: Mar 12 2011, 09:24 AM

3 Pages < 1 2 3 >Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0220sec    1.31    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 19th December 2025 - 11:36 AM