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 Education Insurance for Child, for the purpose of income tax relief

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chew_ronnie
post Mar 12 2011, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Mar 12 2011, 12:38 AM)
thank you for the info, I must go check it out and see worthwhile to convert for two of my older children medical policy to GE and save some money smile.gif
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U may want to compare with Allianz medical card too. The cost of insurance is even lower than Pru and GE, and no co insurance incurred.

I can show u the breakdown if u want. Check it on my website under Powerlink medical card section. @ www.blueangel.info

Thanks

This post has been edited by chew_ronnie: Mar 12 2011, 02:04 AM
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post Mar 12 2011, 02:43 AM

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QUOTE(yeyayey @ Mar 12 2011, 02:23 AM)
thanks [f]ireZz[kf] for sharing the medical charges link.

also, as I've mentioned early. It's so crucial to identify the insurance company actual performance. always refer to the bank negara report and the report will tell you the company performance that the company actually perform.

If you refer to the bank negara report, Great Eastern has the largest asset, the company performance is the highest compare to others. In order word, the cash value or return will be higher compare to others.

If you guys are not aware, Great Eastern are actually belongs to OCBC, hence the performance is more stable and better investment return. thanks
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I'm sorry if I would offend u for my below statement. I apologize 1st and foremost.

I dun actually agree with u on the statement saying that largest insurer in M'sia is the most stable and the funds will be the best. It is like saying that M'sia's largest car producer is Proton, and Proton is the best!

I compare based on facts, not by talking, just take a look at the fund prices of GE, Allianz and Prudential. All funds are launched at RM1 per unit and you can see that over the years, all funds are going up and down. If you compare these 3 companies, say example managed funds.

GE: Lion Balance Fund NAV RM 2.684 https://www.epartner.com.my/ePartner3_fpms/...ion=FundListing
Pru: PruLink Managed Fund NAV RM 2.655 http://www2.prudential.com.my/fundpriceV2/daily.php
Allianz: Allianz Life Managed Fund NAV RM 3.720 https://www.allianz.com.my/cls/content_fund.aspx?t=448

In this scenario, can we assume that Allianz's fund has outperformed the others? Of course it also depend on the date of launching.

What i'm trying to say here is that, in investment linked funds, it is unit trust and NO one can predict what will happen in the future. The largest company MAY NOT perform the best.

Sorry for being harshed here.
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post Mar 12 2011, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Mar 12 2011, 08:42 AM)
Hi all,

Thanks for the very good discussion... so in the end, there is no policy out there that can meet my specific requirements, right?

1. Education insurance for child
2. 3k premium per year, either payable monthly, quarterly or yearly not a problem.
3. Minimum protection of life/TPD of child - RM10k? RM5k even if possible?
4. Cash value upon maturity
5. 100% tax relief claimable (of the 3k)

There is no such policy? The idea is to take advantage of the income tax relief, say at 26% - the 'effective' payment is RM2220 for the 3k premiums. Assuming Great Eduplanner can fit this for the 15  yr policy, that means total premiums paid RM22,220 over 10yrs and upon maturity at 15 yrs, cash value will be paid out.

I appreciate all the PMs and info, but I am very specific in what I'm looking for - if this does not exist, that's fine - I'm not looking for any other insurance/medical/CI/savings/etc...... Thank you!!
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Hi you may wanna have a look at Allianz's PowerGrad policy.

1. Education Policy
2. 3k premium, mode of payment as u mentioned
3. Very low sum insured on child. From 10 onwards
4. Covers payor, both husband and wife and cash value upon maturity
5. 100% tax relief claimable - I come back to u on this, i don't know how the proportion is.

6. 5 to 25 yr coverage term depending at age of child.




If condition 5 is fully claimable, then this is the perfect plan to suit ur needs.

Check out brouchure at my personal site here. http://www.blueangel.info/p/powergrad

PM me for actual quote. Thanks


Added on March 12, 2011, 12:45 pm
QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Mar 12 2011, 08:51 AM)
Just to put in my comments - not to offend ANY agents or insurance companies here. But ALWAYS ALWAYS remember past performance does not indicate future performance. Even if a company is doing well now, anything can happen. Would anyone have predicted what happened to AIG? All companies exist to earn profit. Give value to shareholders. Board and management can change. Policies can change which might affect one company over another. No one can predict the future.

So that is why I personally don't like being too tied down to a certain insurance company. Those policies which mention coverage till 80/90/100 yrs especially, personally I would avoid those. But that's only me. I prefer shorter term coverage, e.g. 1 year PA renewed yearly for coverage against accidents, e.g. for education I want the coverage to mature when child turns 18 or 20 latest. At that time, I can look at my financial position (can I dream and possibly be the next Robert Kuok?) and then re-evaluate my needs (if I have billions, do I even need any more insurance? tongue.gif).
Added on March 12, 2011, 8:55 amThanks Nepo, I am of the opinion any insurance policy for children should cover the life of parent not child. I have seen few proposals where the insured is the child, to me, what for? I get proposals for RM150k coverage on child. If anything happens to my child, I don't want a single sen. It should be the other way round, anything happens to ME, then the child is the beneficiary (to support his future education needs).

I would be very grateful, if anyone can let me know which education insurance fits my requirements and also these below (insured = parent)

Thanks!
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In my reply to ur statement up there, you may have a look on those what very high networth people are doing with insurance and insurance serves a very important role in their life. http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...44276&sec=focus



This post has been edited by chew_ronnie: Mar 12 2011, 12:45 PM
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post Mar 12 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 12 2011, 04:46 PM)
Rich particularly those hundred millionaire, billionaire doesn't need any insurance product.
The word is "need", but it doesn't mean they cannot have it nor don't want to have it or not suit to them.

For them, insurance is just merely part of asset allocation, diversification, in the meantimes, still can get tax benefit, credit risk proof, tax exempted income/return etc.

Unlike middle class people, insurance is essential and serve as an important tool (aka the primary function of insurance) to protect them from loss of income which could affect their family. 
Rich one doesn't need to worry this already aka they don't need the primary function of insurance, but more on secondary part function of insurance (as mentioned above).
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Yes it's not a must and as u say these filthy rich people would not need the primary insurance coverage ie medical card or critical illness. It,s just part of their assets distribution as these monies are creditor proof in the form of annuities for different usage.

In fact by doing this method, these people can preserve their wealth. I've done a few such policies to my clients saying exactly what was written in the article, of coz the market are for those multi millionaires with one or two children.


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post Mar 14 2011, 03:21 PM

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Guidelines to enjoy maximum tax relief on childrens's education policies.

How to enjoy maximum tax relief on children's education policies?

1. If the life assured of the life policy is the parent, to qualify for tax relief, the beneficiary must be the child.

2. If the life assured is the child, the following condition must be met:
a. A payor benefit must be attached into the policy and in the event that the payor passes away, are totally and permanently disabled or diagnosed with critical illnesses, all future premiums for the said policy will be waived. This payor benefit duration must be the same as the policy maturity duration.

3. A copy of the insurance policy schedule must be submitted when a tax deduction claim is made for the first year. Subsequently only the receipt of payment is required for submission.

4. For both Takaful and conventional education policies, the maturity benefits/cash values must be paid to the child when they attain the age of between 13 to 25 years of age.

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post Mar 15 2011, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Mar 15 2011, 09:06 AM)
Hi,

Good stuff... I think someone posted this before then deleted it for some reason.

So which policy is available which meets all these requirement?

1. If the life assured of the life policy is the parent, to qualify for tax relief, the beneficiary must be the child.
4. For both Takaful and conventional education policies, the maturity benefits/cash values must be paid to the child when they attain the age of between 13 to 25 years of age.


Which education policy will insure life of parent, and mature when child is 16 years old?
Thanks!
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I'm still asking Allianz on the PowerGrad education policy. All conditions can be met except that the tax decudtible option which i'm awaiting answers from them. Once i get it, i'll inform u.

Thanks


Added on March 15, 2011, 12:25 pm
QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Mar 15 2011, 09:06 AM)
Hi,

Good stuff... I think someone posted this before then deleted it for some reason.

So which policy is available which meets all these requirement?

1. If the life assured of the life policy is the parent, to qualify for tax relief, the beneficiary must be the child.
4. For both Takaful and conventional education policies, the maturity benefits/cash values must be paid to the child when they attain the age of between 13 to 25 years of age.


Which education policy will insure life of parent, and mature when child is 16 years old?
Thanks!
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Allianz has got back to me on the eligibility of the tax exemption on the insurance education policies. Currently there are 2 plans under the Allianz stable.

The 1st one is the PowerGrad policy:
Low life coverage on child.
Comes with a payor waiver.
Terms from 5 to 25 years.
Maturity cash values.

The 2nd one is the Income Provider Plan (Allianz will withdraw this plan on 31st of Mar 2011)
Low life coverage on child.
Option to include payor - but must include in order to qualify for tax exempt.
Terms pay 10 yrs, maturity at 20 yrs.
Maturity cash values.

Hope this will help u in ur selection.

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post Mar 15 2011, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Mar 15 2011, 09:06 AM)
Hi,

Good stuff... I think someone posted this before then deleted it for some reason.

So which policy is available which meets all these requirement?

1. If the life assured of the life policy is the parent, to qualify for tax relief, the beneficiary must be the child.4. For both Takaful and conventional education policies, the maturity benefits/cash values must be paid to the child when they attain the age of between 13 to 25 years of age.

Which education policy will insure life of parent, and mature when child is 16 years old?
Thanks!
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Just to reiterate on this, which i think should not be the 1st priority in choosing child education insurance, simply because if the insured is the parent and the nominee is the child, what happens when the parent dies before the child reaches age 16 or 18? All the insurance proceeds CANNOT be claimed by the underage child. So what is the point of choosing these kind of policies.

In my humble opinion, all endownment plans can be used as an education policy by the guidelines stipulated above with the parent being the sum assured.

I may be wrong in this, but this is the issue i thought off by doing so. Thanks

This post has been edited by chew_ronnie: Mar 15 2011, 03:13 PM

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