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 Arsenal Street Talk, 10 APR 2011 | 2025 | BLP v. ARS

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ivanau88
post Apr 6 2011, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Apr 6 2011, 06:32 PM)
Dein or no Dein, le old Pete or Wenger... we've never actually spent crazy money on any player.

Our most expensive signing during those years was what... Sylvain Wiltord for 13M? Or 10M up front for Jose Reyes? (good lord we didn't pay the full amount of 17M for the latter). I seriously can't think of any huge money signings in the realms of Torres--> Chelsea or C.Ronaldo-->RM. Arshavin was sorta a "huge money, huge fame" signing and now there are even people who want him out of the Grove.

Lots have been said about our team's recent disappointing results, in particularly the future of certain players who have underperformed. I don't think anyone will object to change, but unless a takeover/change in managerial personnel happens it'll just be the same nip-tuck here and there. Maybe it's the coaching staff/tacticians that might need a revolution since many of our old problems tend to persist.

What's also important is to avoid injury crisis - which is something that always happen to our team especially the core players. Whether it's over-optimism by the treating staff or overbearing rehabilitation/training methods I guess nobody really knows; but I'm beginning to think there might be a very cute physio or nurse in the treatment room. I wanna go there someday to check it out.
Adebayor was never as bad as many (especially Arsenal fans and later City fans) think. It's more of his diva-attitude that many detest. Not sure whether fame got to his head or it's just a retaliation to fans who didn't appreciate his contributions, but note that during his early days he was actually one of the most hardworking and humble players who got along well with his Arsenal mates, Henry in particular. Having said that he did have a reputation from Monaco as one of the more difficult personalities to manage.

But yeah, Ade often comes good vs T'ham, but credit to T'ham for going further than we did in the CL although with a 4 goal deficit against Mourinho, the master of defence, will be more than just an arduous task.
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not to mean any offense. but don't you think Dein is important in the club. He used to work together with Wenger to sign Arsene's desired plyaer
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post Apr 6 2011, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Apr 6 2011, 07:41 PM)
Yes he was important.

The reason he was ousted is because he had a different vision of Arsenal's future. He did after all, oppose to moving to the Grove and side with Usmanov's sugar-daddy policy while our current board (mainly under Fizman's influence) stuck with the self-sustaining business model.

It's difficult to say whether Dein's vision would be a better choice for Arsenal. Chelsea succeeded with Roman's money, many others didn't. Maybe Usmanov's money would give us greater freedom in this inflated transfer market, maybe it will simply sink us in unrecoverable debt. No one knows.

Ivan Gazidis has done a pretty decent job in marketing the Arsenal brand, although one may argue that he's too much of a yes-man to Arsene's philosophy. Do I want Dein back? I can't answer that since he has proved his calibre in managing the commercial side of things; but I can say I'm relieved that Usmanov didn't take full control of the club or at least cause too much disruption in ownership issues - teams like Liverpool suffered from that this season.
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QUOTE(FollowN @ Apr 6 2011, 07:36 PM)
Same could be said of Gazidis when you think of players like Arshavin. Do you prefer Dein simply because his tenure coincided with the most successful spell in recent times? I'd like to hear some of your points  laugh.gif
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Apart of your question, I would say yes. I prefer Dein over Gazidis because Dein was involved during Arsenal's most successful period.
But when you think another angle, it will give you another answer.

Remember who brought Wenger into the team. It was Dein.
Wenger wanted players like Henry, Vieira, Robin and so on. Dein helped him to sign.
I guess during that time. Dein was the only person who dares to challenge Wenger in term of vision and signing due to seniority.
I guess Emirates stadium was pretty much Dein and Wenger's idea
After that, Dein wanted to bring Usmanov to the board but it was rejected and Dein chose to leave. Did Wenger said anything about it? No, but instead Wenger asked his old friend whether he needs to resign to support him. (Its still in Wiki)(Its not any solid proof but it was the rumors at that time)
Apart of signing players and managing the club, Dein did actually went into the dressing room during half time break to inspire the players
I am not saying Gazidis is not good but he is doing a decent job.
At the end of the day, Wenger never says no regarding Usmanov taking over the board but only complaining how Roman spends his money in transfer.

Now, its only Wenger who is making decisions in the team. He might make some mistake sometimes. Gazidis was brought in to relieve some of Wenger's burden.
We cannot justify who is right and wrong with Dein should be in the board or not.
But think twice, if Usmanov did take over the board because Dein. I am pretty sure Dein and Wenger have their own plans. Besides that, will Wenger spend the money just like how Roman spent? I don't think so
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post Apr 9 2011, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Apr 9 2011, 10:01 AM)
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Arshavin, Clichy and Bendtner are Gonners as Wenger planning shock Arsenal clearout

what you think?clear some space for new face...
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Arshavin,Bendtner leave? If they do, please get someone who is good and experience. The rest can go, its only Clichy needs to be replace immediately since Gibbs is not ready yet. Eboue why? I dont see him leaving. I think he is good to be a rotational player.
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QUOTE('62jaguar @ Apr 9 2011, 12:06 PM)
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