Hello...

just bought 6350sd from @yohannes.
need help in eq setting..
this model got 5-band
100hz,315hz,1.25khz,3.15Khz & 8Khz..

dont how to set..
any 1 can help me..
i want abit bassy & treble

100hz = bass
1.25khz = mid
8khz = treble

dunno correct ornot xD
the 315hz n 3.15khz im not sure==

Sorry to say that EQ setting for Pioneer entry level model is just a crap especially for the treble section. 5 band EQ and the highest center frequency is only 8khz , 1st ever heard. At least it should give 10khz, else normal 3 band parametric is better than that This band is ear piercing if you raise it.

For bass setting, adjust 100hz, but this kind of bass is hard bass, not soft and punchy, not nice at all. 315hz-3.15khz is midrange, mostly related to human voice and intrument such as piano and guitar.

Honestly for those who want entry level HU, stay away from Pioneer.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Mar 6 2011, 02:20 PM

can tell me what hz can play soft and punchy ?? 30hz ??

tq alls for the explaination..

i set to
100hz =3
315hz = 1
,1.25khz =0
,3.15Khz 2
8Khz 5

so far my ears can accept it..

100hz is belong to mid bass, if ur bass have come with "blur", u can try to minus it.

315hz is belong to low mid, always effect ur male vocal sound come with "blur", then u can minus this 315hz.

1.25khz is belong to high mid range frequency, if this frequency have a peak , it will make the sound like the phone talking, then u need to minus it.

3.15khz is belong to high mid range frequency also , when this frequency got peak, u will feel the vocal sing like shout.

8khz is belong high range frequency , always make the vocal sound have a problem when she / he sing "sh, ch, s"

thanks mr wong..

you are welcome

wow really detailed advise here, good guides for new ICErs who want to play around with EQ

too bad my entry level alpine cant even modify EQ

add a eq lor..lolz

those EQ, might as well dont put, totally sound terrible lol

i suggest u try it first....

if got money/free sure!

personally though i prefer my songs to go flat without any "additives" from EQs, listen to them the way the musicians intended it. Some prefer the added flavor/enhancements, others just prefer originality. matter of preference i guess ^^

so are u sure ur current system are producing what the cd are suppose to sound?

of course not! however that doesn't mean that adding something that shouldn't be in the first place is a solution to a problem, no?

ps: delved into headphones for the time being while doing the long wait of 3+ years until i get my new car (need something to resist the poison aye? i've auditioned what higher ICE can do thanks to you guys anyways ). i have to say, for almost 1/4 the cost, having on par/better sound quality is just, disheartening for ICE

As you said, it's a matter of preference. We won't make things great if we doesn't want to. :>

headphone? wat headphone u play with?

http://www.quazacolt.com/aboutcontact-me/ <--- Audio-Technica ATH-AD900

EQ can help u make the sound good, but EQ also can make the sound bad.
For me, EQ tweak adjusting is ok, too many EQ adjust really with effect the sound unnatural.

Try, make a good installation to ur driver, and find a good placement for ur driver, it can less to use EQ tune the sound

yeah well said. tbh i do think eq can help, however different music would require different eq, and you're not gonna have the luxury to tune EQ while driving lol. car pc prolly have it better if they can assign specific EQ to specific songs. but meh thats too much work to do for my taste.

for me EQ quite helpful, but dont get those cheap pre amp eqs la... save up for some good quality ones like from audio control

actually if ur eq is done right, 1 setting is more than enuff.....

diff eq for diff music is just mean that the sound are not producing as how it should be.

good installations and good placement for speaker, then sure will less EQ tuning, cos u have less acoustics problem into ur car.

bad installations or ban placement for speaker, sure got alot of acoutics problem, then u need EQ to help u settle it.

Less EQ tuning and more natural sound.

thats what id prefer

Nature Sound Design

just take my friend setting from pioneer unit , ( quit nice sound from he setup )

Features ( ASR )
-level 1

Audio setting
Equalizer
*select custom = 100hz ( +2 )
= 315hz ( +3 )
= 1.25khz ( 0 )
= 3.15khz ( -3 )
= 8khz ( + 4 )
*Loud = off ( if on , not nice for SQ )
*Sub-woofer = Normal
*Lpf = 50hz
*sub booster = 0
*Hpf = 50hz or 63hz
*Sla = +2

wow, proper RTA to EQ FR.
can you be my sifu to tune for me?

how bout pioneer 7250sd?

can tune for me?

i wan balance sound

so verdict about the 6350d is?

good and convenience hu
but doesnt not sq entry level...

argee with u.
HU design nice, but for sound quality。。。。。。。lebih kurang with entry level one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ
Suggest to spend some time to watch this video(acc shop operators may stay out from this), download the audio files from his website and listen to them. And when you really understand what this video means, you will know that a lot things are not needed in the first place......
Pioneer 2011 HUs are using rm8 BurrBrown DACs.
And like minivanman from DIYMA said : The ability to buy expensive equipment does NOT make you an audiophile.

Diyma are full with enthusiast~
quite true that just spending money doesn't make you an audiophile
but sometime they are quite stubborn, insisting their audio theory
without noticing the vast difference between a home environment and in car environment
But still, its a good place to learn more...

i think i can add also... the ability to talk jargons and able to state all technical stuff of one equipment also does not make u an audiophile

In an actual SQ ICE competition, what do the judges want to hear? Natural sound? or something else.

Suggest go to DIYMA, type EMMA, Focal disc...... Then you will know better how a competetion being done and the standard you need to have....
Or Yahoo/Google is another source for you....

a lot more than that...
the natural sound you are talking about are categorized as : listening pleasure
Then you got staging part (ultra far right, far right, right,center,left,far left,ultra far left) height & depth
Then you got level matching part ( sound from tweeter, mid,midbass,sub) if not balance then kena deduct
Then you got installation part (normally for sq experienced unlimited) certain category is sound only
Roughly about this... further information can check with google

I ask because recently went inside a car that won 3rd prize in a SQ competition. There's nothing special that I hear to make him beat other competitors. Perhaps my ear not audiophile enough.

Your ear no need to be an audiophile ears, it is a myth anyway....
What a judge need is, preception bias and expectation bias....
When a track is being played, the judge are expecting themself to listen to certain things. Like in 1:15 they need to hear kickdrum playing strong, if got, got point, else, lesser or no point.
That's why they need to have a "standard" CD for this.....
When there's competetions, there's hanky panky stories going on.... Do you ever see private individual can score more points compare to participants from acc shops? Somemore you have to see who sponsored the competetion....
That's another reason why competetion cars usually no for leisure listening....

it depends on whether u know what to listen for and what not to listen for... if the former, u appreciate, if the latter everything sounds the same to u.

oh ya... plz ignore the post above it as it is usually written by those who had not been to a competition, never been INSIDE a competition car, never PARTICIPATE in a competition nor never AUDIT a competition car.

^How sure you are on this? Speculations? Or simple label?

Mind to share which SQ competition he got 3rd place? and in which category?
Cos there are many category like for beginner/experienced/5ch/7ch...

There are few possibilities:
1. Its a low standard competition
2. There are no competitor in that category
3. Your own listening experience

Its never a myth, you don't need a standard cd to tell the difference...
But standard cd are more like standardize the measuring way for all competitor
and standardize the judging way for all judges... Even a legit CD, it doesn't mean its properly recorded
Its very common that there are few song are better recorded, and few are somewhat different feeling
different country version like japan/germany/us/taiwan/hong kong/china
The same song can sound very different...

Its still malaysia, and there are still hanky panky stuff going on, but whoever better still own
If a judge purposely made a wrong judgement, he will be complained and investigated by HQ
It happened few years ago, a local judge was revoked...
(after that, this particular judge start up his own competition )

Only saw a glimpse of the car's trophy. Karnival belia something. 3rd place in SQ but what category i don't know. Not familiar with category in ICE competition. I only know there's SQ category and another SPL category. Perhaps the judge have sentimental value for blaupunkt since his car all install with blaupunkt brand.

karnival belia??
i also don't know whats that...

karnival belia is no where near the actual standard of car audio competitions. they judge by how much effort you put into your ride... and of course, how nice it is...

these are the types of competition that always misleading...

and individuals always scoring less than acc shops or the sponsors... i guess you havent been to enough competitions or well... its just a simple label....

This post has been edited by craziechild: Jun 22 2011, 11:56 AM

how many sides you feel like offending? the whole world until everyone is fed up of you?
as far as i know you dissed car owners, then ICErs, then installers, and now even audiophiles.

quazacolt...

get used to it... before he threatens to hurt you, physically... i think we should have fun with it...



psst... : if you guys are interested with the older version of kyheng here... simply use the search button and type supersound...

This post has been edited by craziechild: Jun 22 2011, 12:15 PM

so pro i sked

Local Malaysia ICE competetions only, where's IASCA in Malaysia? This is a good ??? that pending an answer...

And such way of doing business which I hate also.....

This post has been edited by kyheng: Jun 22 2011, 01:15 PM

Malaysia one is MASCA loh... Singapore also got SASCA
all linked to IASCA, as for y not using IASCA, because there are some
name copyright issue, was told by a malaysian iasca judge

Not only iasca, here got emma also mah...
but still, there are hanky panky stuff involved
like balloting and etc...
but judging wise, not much people can interfere.

Btw, i hate those cheating shop...

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdS...r1&meta=vc%3Dmy
By typing "MASCA" in yahoo I got the above......
Hanky panky or not, it is another story, what more important is, our sound system shall be tuned to our taste, not others.....
I once came accross a friend that audited my car which using his CD, he said my sound was not centered and the sound stage was too low.... But then he is almost 10cm taller than me... So his ears also higher when sitting in my car...
Not centered because I never use TA... And when I tune to his likings, I found the stage were too high and too narrow....
I even tune my system to the Focal test CD's tracks, again, it ended up I lost more details on my favorite CDs.....
And when comparing those in Focals and original CDs, I found Focal test CDs some were being EQed....

i guess your tuning is not as good as you think after all...

so far i have no problem with my ride no matter how tall the person is... as long as he doesnt adjust my seats...

^Well, I like such blind assumptions, at any 1 time....

if you're free to make blind assumptions, im sure he can too.

Well, what I meant was, he don't who was my friend but can simply accuse? A >57 years old man, usually will lost hearing on higher frequencies.....

Is it the same song you are comparing? in ori cd and focal cd
which part of details you are losing?

If you never use TA, you will most likely hearing more sound from right as its nearer to our ear, which will create imbalance staging, very far left and very narrow right... I can't discuss much without auditing your car though...
hehehe...

So, my story is like this :
I downloaded the Focal disc first from DIYMA, looks good then I source the original CD(which took me quite some effort).. Please support original if you are happy with the downloaded copy. This is my concept.....
Then when listen to it on the both copy, for sure the original sounded better.... But then I still feel lack of something(especially some trance songs).... This makes me get another 2 CDs from the orignal singer....
When comparing both(orignal singer vs Focal), found out that the 250Hz area are boosted up a bit and vocal tune down a bit....
Well, if listen for a glance, you won't hear the difference....

I also know that, without TA, the stage will be like what you said.... But for me, I do my settings based on late MJ's Thiller..... Which I like wide footsteps rather than narrow...

your story of the height difference suddenly changed to the age-caused-high-freq-hearing-lost just shows how kiasu you are...

^Again, you are dead wrong on this, you simply do blind assumptions without asking what is happening in the first place.....

The owner said blaunpunkt sponsored part of his ICE. So maybe that's why can get 3rd place.

hi can anyone tell me what reverse means for thw sw settings?
i just bought this model.
And i don really know how to set as im still very new to ice.

Any one mind to explain and teach me more for setting this model? include the Graphic EQ, HPF settings, SLA, SW and bass booster.
whats the diff between bass booster and SW settings?

i had read the menu but still don really understand as the menu is just some brief explanation.

thanks.

In a formal well known competition, use sponsorship as an excuse to make a competitor's loses become reasonable are just lame..Lose is lose, dun blame others for being better.

Is like flipping the wire on the sub(but with your finger tip)......
Bass boost suggest try not to use.....
HPF also not that useful, unless you have a sub... If the HPF is set at xxHz, you will only get sound >xxHz... It is used to protect your speakers....
As for that limited EQ, well, you have to adjust them 1 by 1 and see what it can "improve" your system....

getting fun now... why cant we say things or shall i put it assumption when u do the same? and how well u know 57 years old cant hear high freq? ur own assumption or is there any evidence to back it up. Now before u ask me to google, i highly suggest u to find some evidence that was PEER-REVIEWED, Some good medical journals and clinical trials if possible. Unless and until u do that, u are just ASSUMING.

^Well, "indeed" I'm doing assumptions, like some old man can eat saltier food than youngsters. Nothing big on that, just that their sense are less sensitive....

Anyway, small boy, please try your very best to deny the below articles :
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...22135855AA2Hbr5
Well, yahoo answers most of the time tells flaws....
http://www.nia.nih.gov/HealthInformation/P...ons/hearing.htm
Will a government body also tell flaws? Hmmm....
http://www.hearing.com.au/digitalAssets/48...on%20sheets.pdf
A website specially made to tell flaws?
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/Pubs/consumer/10244.pdf
Oh no!!!! University also come out another flaw on this?

I have no problem old man. I am in this line.

1. URL yahoo. I guess u really dunno what is peer review. FAIL. Yahoo answer is as good as google. And it is as good as just picking answer from ppl just like u. No substance, based on hear say, based on experience on other people. NO SCIENTIFIC facts
2. Funny how u can quote something just out of the blue without actually reading it. The website although well known, but doesnt seem to address any thing '57 yo man/lady will suffer hearing loss'. Right back at u for their hearing loss AID.
3. You might wanna take a look again instead of just quoting. The only word i can see that is a far distance related to our discussion in the first sentence. Old men MAY ( thats assuming for u old men)not hear so well. half of the people OVER 60 have trouble. So where does 57 y.o stand? facts? figures? stats? trials?
4. 30-50 percent of old age people suffers from hearing SERIOUS enough to affect the quality of communication and interpersonal relationship. Good lord, i guess im blind to see any words of high frequency involved.

before u even get started, i can gently guide u to some of the well known, peer-reviewed journals, journals that is done according to international standard b4 they are published.

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/homepage.cws_home
http://jama.ama-assn.org/
http://www.bmj.com/

Find them on the website and i gladly say well done, for ONCE u state facts instead of ur own understanding.

Well, I always like people that avoiding reading all and start mix and match, that's why I like LYN and the acc shops operators here..... I like them is because they just have the ways to twist the facts.....

are you sure you're not the one who aren't reading instead? i've read the links you posted and i can vouch for what bakufie said.

thats ok bro. I half expected him to answer like that when things dun go his way.
And for your information old men again in case u suffer from hearing or eye problem too, my job requires me to go through alot of medical journals. To find evidence based facts, to select quality peer reviewed journals for my project. So u can see why im so picky.. lol... ur way may work on ppl from other line, but i guess u are just assuming all of us are from the might acc shop or somehow someway related to them.

Again, be glad to set a time for tt for u have always kept quiet about meeting me. Even way back ur supersound. I have always like to learn from others and to see the 'world'. What say u? TT or dickless again like u were?

didnt really dig that much about supersound, but they are the exact same person? lol

now you explain to me... first your friends height is the variable that caused the whole improper stage height and width...

then upon provoking your tuning skill... the height is ignored and a new variable came into place, high-freq hearing loss... which has no prove at all, i assume, its your assumptions...

well who cares... but what i like to know is... is the height of the person related to the hearing loss? or its just a quick getaway scheme?

and one more thing... you said your friend's height.. i comment about the height = i simply made an assumptions...
try explain to me... what kind of assumption have i made when you are the one changing the story over and over again?

This post has been edited by craziechild: Jun 24 2011, 01:14 PM

^Because you are making blind assumptions as an acc shop operator.....
1 line to answer your questions.

ignore him brian... he is that way all his 60 years (yes i am assuming but i cant be that far off old man ) he has yet to answer hmmm shall i say yet to produce facts and figures for his own statement. Probably he wont and will never do since he CANT.

^Cannot deny those facts now come back to personal insults? Hmmmm..... what a jerk......

suddenly i become some acc shop tauke... i like it when people "lift my lam-pa...!"

especially when it comes from a old-seasoned person... *on cloud-9

jackie... i no problem one... just releasing stress in my lab while designing a SMT machine...

so, lets just say you're highly offended by people calling you a 60 year old old man, however you called someone a jerk, whos getting more personal now?

oh, don't tell me you're gonna pull the "he started it first!" like a grade schooler? that would deem your "60 year old'ness" invalid already. which would also make you a blatant liar then.

So jackie is an old man? Never know on this. I thought he is just a small boy that know how to dump money......

i dont see your point there la old hag...

but nvm... i know i know... :/

so in addition to hearing issues, you now have either, and/or reading/seeing/comprehension issues as well? i strongly recommend that you go see the nearest physician for a checkup.

hmm.... how about i let those who met me before answer on my behalf? To say small in age, definitely a BIG YES compared to u, to say small in SIZE, hmmm..come for a meet up and compare? Ok with u? Place, details, time u suka. hahahaha.... Dump money must have skill 1.... must also have resource to do so and more importantly, pocket must be deep enough, do u agree? Which brings me to my next question, why ru interested?