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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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FrancescoTop8
post Mar 7 2011, 12:36 PM

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I believe China + Russia will realise "BLACK MARCH" 2011.
Cant wait.
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post Mar 7 2011, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(ikhwanii @ Mar 7 2011, 05:42 PM)
What's black March
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China + Russia + few countries officially denounce USD.
Guess what will happen to gold if BLACK MARCH really realised as planned ?
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post Mar 7 2011, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 7 2011, 06:52 PM)
Yeah, china have more than 1 Trillion holdings in USD Treasuries, as if they will denounce the USD.  rolleyes.gif
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I really hope China will dump US, so economic power will shift from west to east.
And China lately really crazy for Gold standard.


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post Mar 8 2011, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(barry @ Mar 8 2011, 09:50 AM)
What makes us think that China is not already dumping the 1 trillion worthless greenbacks? As i understand, the chinese have been going around the world buying up anything from anyone who are happy to take their worthless paper. Quietly and slowly, but surely they are getting rid of the useless paper. They did manage to spend around 40billion on the Beijing Olympic games, didn't they?
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Believe it or not, US economy recovery mostly depend on China hand.
If China dump US diplomatically(unofficial/silent), share market not get much effect.
BUT, if China dump US officially (announcing it to the whole world), share market will doom. cool2.gif
So, i really hope China + Russia will go ahead with secret mission "BLACK MARCH 2011". brows.gif
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 8 2011, 11:20 AM)
china throwing USD officially is like throwing stone on oneself foot....

when they throw USD the value of USD will drop....if usd value drop....china who hold the most USD will suffer ....terror balance...die together

US more happy if their currency drop....slowly  ofcourse........improve their export
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If USD keep dropping, world will not use USD as monetary system because it value depreciate.
World then looking for better monetary value and at that time Renmimbi and gold standard will arise.
And i think China prefer Gold standard, that`s why China keep buying every ounce gold available recently.
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post Mar 8 2011, 08:42 PM

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[quote=dr2k3,Mar 8 2011, 11:45 AM]
other currency as world currency.....i don't think it will happen in my lifetime

- not happen in ur lifetime ? China n Russia beg to differ
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-11...nt_11599087.htm

if i were a currency trader i will buy renmimbi for "profit" but will not use renmimbi as "currency"......i don't trust china government
- i dont trust U.S whose keep printing USD out of thin air.

china prefer gold standard...where did you get info from?
- it`s speculator thing. u dont need to know hmm.gif

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post Mar 9 2011, 05:45 AM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 9 2011, 12:36 AM)
how do you think china keep its currency value low when the demand for RMB is so high?

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That`s 1 of China strategy.
U.S keep asking China to revalue the RMB, but so far, it fall on deaf ears.
It shows that how powerful China is.
China is so powerful that U.S dont even dare to take on North Korea.
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post Mar 11 2011, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(aaronpang @ Mar 11 2011, 12:10 PM)
I inquired and the reason for damaged Kijang Emas because scratched and chips reduce gold content so it's understandable. As a buyer I also wont want to buy damaged coins  shakehead.gif

Besides Kijang Emas and Maple Leaf what other alternatives are there?

I'm not interested in gold savings passbook because those account are uninsured and only in paper. Already got other paper investments and what I want is physical gold  nod.gif
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go for these :
http://kfhonline.com.my/kfhmb/ep/kfhConten...contentId=11048

physical gold from Turkey.
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post Mar 11 2011, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(aaronpang @ Mar 11 2011, 05:48 PM)

Added on March 11, 2011, 5:55 pm
Thanks I've checked out KFH brochure at Pavillion.

One thing to note is the bullion is not typical 99.99% (Singa, Kijang, Maples, Nugget) but 99.95% purity.
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Yes, it is.
And KFH spread quite high too. sad.gif
I choose KFH because their gold from Turkey(stabil economy) and i find that KFH is most honest bank(from my research lah icon_rolleyes.gif ).

1 thing for sure :
- Dont buy gold or silver from SDN.BHD. company.
Risky

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post Mar 17 2011, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 17 2011, 10:36 AM)
could drop somemore.... just curious.. why gold is dropping ?? shouldn't it be higher since got disaster and all and ppl parking their money in gold ?
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Investor have to sell gold to cover up their loss in anything related to Japan.
Insurers also need to liquidity their gold fast to cover the expenses.

Anyhow, the gold price dropping in turbulent times (e.g; tsunami) are quite strange situation.

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post Mar 21 2011, 08:31 PM

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Gold today climbs, fast.
Hope it runs on steady mode :-)
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post Mar 22 2011, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(DM3 @ Mar 22 2011, 08:02 AM)
when u guys invest on gold, how long u all plan to keep? and do u sell and buy back again at good pricing?
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expecting a GOLD STANDARD. drool.gif
That is quite ambitious target, but believe in it due to current economic events.
If GOLD STANDARD not materialised, i go for long term(<10 years).

MOST IMPORTANT, all target must obey the present & future macroeconomics.
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post Mar 25 2011, 11:12 PM

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Gold should move higher today but unfortunately U.S GDP improves too,
so not much movement.

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How`s this for speculation ? rclxms.gif
http://www.caseyresearch.com/crpmkt/crpSol...f=TMG209ED0311D

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post Apr 15 2011, 08:13 PM

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Paper gold are cheaper than physical gold because of some reasons.
1 of them is paper gold basicly is not a gold at all, it just assume that it was gold. And it was trade based on assumption, that`s all.
Example : MR. I own a cow and he want to sell it to Mr.U -> MR.U want to make a profit and he sell it to MR.WE. -> However, The transaction between MR.I and MR.U still not finalised. On top of that, MR.We already finalised the transaction with MR.U. Get it ? icon_rolleyes.gif

I wonder if u could have ur gold in physical if u invest in paper gold (e.g., UOB or public bank).

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post Apr 15 2011, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(xcarfieldx @ Apr 15 2011, 08:59 PM)
Ic. Thanks for the info. Why most people is recommending to use public gold? What criteria shall we look into so that we can decide which company to choose?

Seems like physical gold is better than paper gold. But buying physical gold, we need to know the finess of the gold due to the price is different for different quality, am I right about this?

I still dong understand about the cow story.
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allrite,allrite student biggrin.gif
Let me clarify about the COW story.
MR.I have a cow, and he want to sell his cow to MR.U, and MR. U agreed to buy .
BUT, they don`t finalised the deal yet.
However, MR.U want to make a quick profit and he sold the cow to MR.We, eventhough MR.I & MR.U dont finalised the deal yet.

It means the cow is still with MR.I because he doesnt finalised the selling yet. U cant argue with MR.I because he want to sell but doesnt sell his cow yet.
So, this all transactions between them(MR.I, MR.U and MR. We) is all out of thin air or in easy word ; ASSUMPTION.

Off course, if u study towards bank`s perspective, it is more complicated but the fundamental of paper gold is similar to COW story.
One word for paper gold : ASSUMPTION

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post Apr 15 2011, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(xcarfieldx @ Apr 15 2011, 09:36 PM)
Ic.. Pamp Suisse , Perth mint is? Company or gold's name? Hehe..Public gold guarantee buy back, other bank doesn't has this policy?
To start use public gold, can roughly explain the procedure? Public gold sell physical or paper or both?

Ic. Means paper gold is only an assumption and we did not really get the cow. Hehe..
Thanks for explaining patiently. Lucky to have people explain for me here cause I don't know who to consult with in real life.
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Dude, i dont recommend Public gold because i find it quite tricky and risky.
Do some research before start gold investment. Dont easily believe what other/broker say.

For me, just buy gold in bank. KFH and Maybank have physical gold. It is safer and less headache.
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Nope, u can have ur gold in physical if u buy paper gold, BUT u have to follow some procedures.
And i find that the terms and conditions of paper gold quite tricky and time-consuming.
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post Apr 15 2011, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(xcarfieldx @ Apr 15 2011, 10:07 PM)
Har?? Can turn paper into physical??
Why would u think public gold is tricky n risky?


Added on April 15, 2011, 10:08 pmWhat should I aware of when I want to invest in gold??
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DEFINITELY.
U can change ur paper gold to physical gold BUT with terms and conditions.

Public gold just have their business in Malaysia, correct me if im wrong.
Thus, their market are exclusively in Malaysia only.
Risky because their market is small and gold are quite complicated business.
Tricky because, public gold employ a MLM-like scheme. U buy and u automatically become a dealer, and u have to find another buyer to get reward or something. Their premium charge also quite high.
Have u heard any established bank (Maybank,Public Bank,UOB or KFH) go crazy to promote their gold products ?
NO,they dont because they know gold have a high volatility.

There`s a lot to know before u invest in gold.
That`s why i keep telling u, buy gold from BANK & dont buy from unestablished company or whatever it names because gold is not an easy business.

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post Apr 17 2011, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(xcarfieldx @ Apr 16 2011, 08:56 PM)
Ic. Thanks. What about the questions regarding open account in bank at my previous post? What should I pay attention on?
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Ask about spread & pemium charges.
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post Apr 18 2011, 11:33 PM

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Is paper gold are ETF ?
If it is , these might be interesting
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/ap...funds-sub-prime

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post Apr 19 2011, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(jasmineh2y @ Apr 19 2011, 11:26 AM)
seems the gold price keep raising, is it still a good time now to start the investment? any advise if i'm planning to invest less than a year? thx
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I think gold is still undervalued.
And based on current situations(debt in Europe, Debassement of USD, Inflation in China, political issues in middle east and african, and etc), gold still have plenty rooms to climb.
If u want to invest less than a year, u can but your timing must be accurate.

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