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kevin190791
post Nov 15 2011, 09:36 PM

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anyone can tell is iths original or fake nudie jeans?

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kevin190791
post Nov 16 2011, 10:40 AM

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but
1. the backstitching looks different from how it looks like normally, this one a bit messy and have a wider joining in the six strings
2. the rivet feels plasticky in the inside part
3. the pocket printing is faded a bit
4. the tag written with the serial code does not contain the material information

is it considered authentic? because it looks different from another
and does nudie jeans have a different backstitching from season to season?
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post Nov 16 2011, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(treflip @ Nov 16 2011, 11:01 AM)
expect inconsistency in the denim work coz these are made by hand, not machine. This pair is authentic and u can see it from the indigo dye and the pocket print especially the organic series are mostly has that faded look on it. I've own nudies from the selvage to the heavy denim to the organic cotton ones before and I've seen all these. I've seen fake ones too and they are not made as good as the authentic ones. So dont worry too much and just break in the denim =)
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but i have seen also a very well built fake before
95% similar to the authentic but it is a fake

i dont really concer much but the backstitching is awful
mustn't the designer care about this signature backstitching?
it is a trademarked stitching that should look the same in every jeans, considering this is a designer's jeans
i should have just bought an apc instead of this cry.gif cry.gif
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post Nov 16 2011, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Nov 16 2011, 03:36 PM)
backstitching is bad? hahaha.... ive seen fake backstitching worse than it is.... note that the fake backstitching is very uneven thus u see some of the gaps becomes too narrow or too wide....

one thing about the fake is the chainstitching on the end of the legs end up on the left... yours is on the right which pretty much says its original....

left is fake, the right one is original

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*gotta give credits to kaskus forum for the pics....
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thanks before,
i asked the same question in kaskus (im indonesian) and they point out that the nudie is a fake because of the different backstitching
another thing is the misprint in the back pocket side
it is BEAD MORE, instead of READ MORE

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post Nov 16 2011, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Nov 16 2011, 04:40 PM)
i didnt see that.... hmm.gif well could be fake but other point suggested that its original.... need to go home and check my nudies out....
btw... how much did u pay and where u bought the nudies from?
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sorry, i can't say anything about where i get this nudies, i dont want to ruin someone's sales before i have a valid proof about authenticity
but it is cheaper than the retail nudie, around USD100, i dont know about the seller's source but he/she prove that his/her product is legit

heres the comparison pic between my jeans and the original one from the internet

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post Nov 16 2011, 07:32 PM

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Added on November 16, 2011, 7:39 pm
QUOTE(treflip @ Nov 16 2011, 07:30 PM)
i beg to differ again lol hehehe i've seen an older video back in 2008 where they actually show the process of how they stitch the embo on the back pocket...they move the pocket under the machine to shape the pattern with hand while the machine is only used to stitch in the thread...thus it is still considered as hand made since the shaping of it is still done by hand....

and speaking of fakes that is why i stop with all the nudies...so many fakes...lol

go japanese all the way! hehehee blush.gif
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can recommend me other brand with good price? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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post Nov 16 2011, 09:28 PM

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FYI for those who are wondering, im not buying the nudie jeans from this forum


Added on November 16, 2011, 9:31 pm
QUOTE(treflip @ Nov 16 2011, 08:47 PM)
what he meant by machine is that the stitching is made by machine but the hand is used to move the pocket under the machine to shape the pattern of the embo...and the video i have to try look for it again..it was on the old nudie website


Added on November 16, 2011, 8:50 pm

there is always Naked & Famous which uses japanese denim although it is made in canada...an under rated brand here in Malaysia but i prefer naked and famous's quality over nudie anytime...hehehehe...nudie is over rated...hehehe..u can always go to musa bangsar and get it there..

or if u wanna go all the way you can try pure blue japan, the flat head, momotaro, samurai, somet, etc etc..
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what about apc or imperial? or even cheap jeans like unbranded? i heard unbranded are great
if got budget im aiming for momotaro actually drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif

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post Nov 17 2011, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Nov 16 2011, 11:18 PM)
ok so this is the pic of my nudies that i think should give u sort of description for u to differenciate if urs is original or fake

this is my nudie grim tim red dry selvedge (2010 batch)
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and this is my nudie grim tim black dry selvedge (2008-09 batch)
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so by seeing ur  pics especially the font on the back pocket its quite different from mine... but maybe its a new batch still im not so sure....

hope this help
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btw lets say it is a new batch,
a new batch will include an organic, recycled paper tag, as well as the new fall/winter 2011 booklet, you can refer to the nudie website for the booklet design
i bought a pair of tight long john also two months ago with the new booklet and new recycled paper tag, and i could say that the back stitching still look the same as how it look at your nudies
but this one was bought like one month ago, but why is it different then? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
if it is a new batch, then it should also include old design booklet and old glossy tag doh.gif

btw i asked for help from the nudie customer service also,
they also found out that something seems not right because of the misprint in the backpocket print and cannot tell the authenticity
the customer service then conclude that it is a counterfeit product because it is way too cheap, after i tell them i bought it for USD100 something

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post Nov 18 2011, 04:03 AM

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QUOTE(treflip @ Nov 17 2011, 10:49 PM)
naa unbranded is not as good as naked and famous...well unbranded is by naked and famous but the dye quality aint that good...imperial and apc are awesome =) should get those..

anyways my latest raw denim stock up:

Some Momotaros =)

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wow nice one man!!! i want that momotaro, mind tellin me where you get that jeans and the price? notworthy.gif


btw you guys should check this new brand
http://northerndenim.com/products/
they are now preordering their first line of jeans to be produced this month in Okayama, Japan.
it is a limited 100 jeans only. and what makes things better is you can decide how much to pay on the jeans
minimum is 160 euros with a recommended retail price of 259 euros because this is a non profit project to help the victim of japan earthquake last march.
somehow a good will project where 100% profit goes to the red cross.
i was given the info from one of the founder of the project,
please take a look at the site and purchase if you like it smile.gif
i think it is a pretty nice jeans thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


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post Nov 20 2011, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(treflip @ Nov 20 2011, 12:59 PM)
I got them around SGD300 from very woooonderland in singapore for one pair =) i'll post some fit picture once i'm done with recording yea geng
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wow, good price there around 170 euros yawn.gif yawn.gif
mind giving review about the jeans? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 21 2011, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(71ers @ Nov 21 2011, 03:56 PM)
read a few pages up ... i would not recommend that you go for adidas as your first raw and selvedge jeans.  they are a sports manufacturer anyway.

for almost the same price , you can get the Japan Blue X Momotaro or Naked & Famous
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go for the selvage nudies for some fancy looking jeans
or apc if you love the simple look, but high quality,
if got budget go for iron heart rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 21 2011, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(junky_man @ Nov 21 2011, 04:19 PM)
I thank (or curse tongue.gif) this thread and Kinokuniya's japanese section for poisoning me into raw and selvedge denims. tongue.gif

and yes, them japanese denims have been my top priority.
I've been looking high and low to get momotaro here. can you let me know where to get them in Malaysia or Singapore?

Need to lurk more here in Lyn if any of guys are selling some. wink.gif
nudies and APC are among the best i reckon for denims not from Japan.

Momotaro jeans is still my top of the list besides sugar cane.

what's the range for those premium denim? between RM500 - RM1k? any below RM500 you guys recommend?
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there is one forumer that can help you finding a jeans, pretty good price too, chazychaz

or you can also contact the southeast asia representative of the momotaro jeans, Taavi Kuisma
that guy is also the founder of northerndenim and nordic denim house, a very friendly guy that lives in Malaysia
pm me if you want his email

below 500 you might wanna take a look also at one of the indonesian finest jeans brand, popular in canada, US
its petersaysdenim their finest line of jeans cost around RM500-RM700 using finest japan denim
their normal range cost around RM200-RM300 only,
they have this single line batch jeans that has a unique rasta selvage, really drooling drool.gif drool.gif

Indonesia is being really serious about jeans, some brand are using high quality japanese, indian to zimbabwean cotton for production
thats one reason self edge and iron heart collaborate a special edition jeans with an indonesian retailer to produce one limited edition jeans


hi btw regarding the authentic vs fake nudies i own before, ive got an email from the jeans designer herself, Maria Erixsson, she states that it is a very old batch production of the jeans, very different from todays batch, smile.gif
cheers guys


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post Nov 22 2011, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Nov 22 2011, 06:38 PM)
Wow thanks lol!

I was actually thinking of shops like this http://denimtherapy.com/

its amazing how they repaired it, because of the crotch burst now i need to buy a new raw denim >.<
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or maybe you can turn your pair of raw jeans to a raw denim wallet like this
http://www.instructables.com/id/Jeans-Cuff-Wallet/

and buy yourself a new jeans instead

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post Nov 24 2011, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(almari2010 @ Nov 23 2011, 08:35 PM)
after soak n perah.

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the jeans look blue now rather than deep indigo hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
bought a new pair la bro icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 25 2011, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(h11g @ Nov 24 2011, 10:44 PM)
bro i have a pair of nudie tape ted dry organic embo and i find it quite hard to break in, i wore the jeans for 1 1/2 months already and should i give it a hot soak?
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it will break in beautifully if you really "wear" it "hard", try a year bro flex.gif if smelly, put in the freezer or hang it a day under the sunlight biggrin.gif
unlike the fast fading nudie, thr process in organic is slow, but the results is great because of the very deep blue color indigo in the organic cotton
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QUOTE(h11g @ Nov 25 2011, 11:35 PM)
Thanks for your advice bro, after listening to your advice, I will try to bear with it...

Does wearing hard means jumping and running while wearing them?

Yes they do have very dark indigo color.
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yes, try the freezer, it really helps killing the germ, and expose it in direct sunlight afterwards,
wearing it hard means you wear it in your everyday life, not to care too much for the jeans because it is pricier than normal jeans,
if you wear it daily, just by sitting in the office all day, it won't help, but youll have nice fading on the butt part
try biking, basketball, or other extreme activities if you have that hobby,
an extra thick wallet at the backpocket will make a nice fading imo, i have one raw jeans with a nice crotch and fading in the backpocket, really love it

if you think you already had enough breaking the jeans, try sandwashing it in the beach, it will results in a nice contrast
here's a guide to it http://www.rawrdenim.com/2011/08/raw-denim...finitive-guide/
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QUOTE(chazychaz @ Nov 26 2011, 10:12 PM)
Correct me if im wrong but bacteria or germ become inactive under low temperature..it wont kill them at all..
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yup, its not like it dont kill them at all, in low temperature, it cause bacteria to react more slowly and regenerates slower causing impaired growth, this is good enough to cause some kind of bacteria less harmful and death to some kind of bacteria also, although not all, but if you have a really freezing temperature in your freezer, it will cause lysis and death of the bacteria,

fyi, organic cotton has also lower chance of bacteria growth compared to normal cotton in other jeans,
in a research by one denim company to one pair of organic nudie jeans worn for TWO YEARS, bacteria growth is just NORMAL nod.gif nod.gif
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QUOTE(apsidewatch @ Nov 28 2011, 10:18 PM)
guys, Nudie Thin Finn Organic Ecru Embo, 1 size down right?
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it all depends on the look you want to achieve and how it comforts you,
btw the more you size down, the more it will stretch ==> the more the jeans will be prone to tear
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post Dec 2 2011, 08:35 PM

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here's one superb denim to drool you guys
very affordable price around RM200 only
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Spesification
-17 Oz deep indigo India denim material...
-Deep Indigo warp threads
-Sanforized
-100% cotton thread sewing construction
-Slim fit
-Button fly/zipper fly as you wish
-Single leather belt loop
-Chambray Inner Pocket
-Super Thick Cow Path leather
-leather tab
-Gold & superblack double yarn Sticthing
-Rope inside hem
-Union Special on front rise and mitsubishi on hem Chainstitch Construction
-Mini Backpocket Model on Coin Pocket

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QUOTE(satar @ Dec 2 2011, 09:58 PM)
@kevin190791 - this brand coming from indonesia right?they got lots of great denim brand there nowadays.check this out,21oz awesomely tailored by oldblue co

http://oldblueco.net/index.php?act=detail&id=113
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yeah man, that is one hell of a jeans for that price range

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