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post Oct 5 2014, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 09:30 PM)
2100 will get you into something better than Stern. Besides, I wouldn't apply as a pre-admit to the b school if I were you.

http://poetsandquants.com/2014/01/17/where...n-consulting/2/

Although this is for consulting and for MBA it does represent the general preference employers have towards college graduates. NYU and its Stern has never been a popular choice.I would say getting into the top consulting firms are by far the harder than getting into any other jobs, including Wall Street investment banking. So from this you can who the top employers prefer.
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I apologize if I sound rude or anything, it is not my intention to do so.

MBA is still pretty far back on my plan, most people go for their MBA's in their late 20's. And also, for consulting, it is different, as shown in the link, I am more interested in investment banking. There is a website called wall street oasis, it is a forum for experienced and or new wall streeters, and NYU is a well regarded school with chock full of powerful alumni's. There is also a report showing that NYU has the most students (I think, or somewhere around the top 3) working in Goldman Sachs, JPM, MS and, BAML and the rest.
Of course, if by any miracle that I get into Wharton, I'll choose Wharton.
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post Oct 5 2014, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 09:50 PM)
Are you sure? You should think about leveraging on the alumni body. It helps when the person making the hiring decision is an alumni.

You know, even if you're in california, these companies will pay for your air-ticket and hotel to attend the interview. If they call you for an interview, means they are willing to hire you subject to whether they like you or not  after seeing you face to face. The interviewer will always be the team you are going to work with.

And for the top unis, they will have people visit the uni and conduct interviews there every year. So don't go to stern just because it's in New York.
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Yes, I am sure. I have done extensive research on it.

Well yes, but first of all, most west coasters would opt for Silicon Valley, next is that the abundance of investment bankers are from east coast schools. It makes a huge difference.

Yes, they are called Wall Street Target Schools.
While the location is one of my many reasons of picking NYU, it only serves a small percentage. The other school that is in NYC is Columbia, which is an Ivy, and that one is hard.
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post Oct 5 2014, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Oct 5 2014, 10:10 PM)
I see. Looks like I've been out of touch and you've done your research. With a 2100 you should safely land a spot in Stern. GL
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Yeah trust me, they have the most extensive networking and the largest firms recruit their new employees there biggrin.gif

And thanks so much for that, I really needed to hear that. icon_question.gif smile.gif
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post Oct 6 2014, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(myming @ Oct 6 2014, 01:53 PM)
The SAT is like any other exam, there is no way to study "everything". For example, the earlier parts of CR section usually include some bizarre words you have not, and probably never, encountered before.

Yup, which is why I am extremely worried about it, I need to do further research and whatnot about it.

As I replied earlier to another poster, I want to take care of my parents as a minute form of repaying them for what they have done for me.
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Yeah I know, I have seen the words. Unheard of.

Mm, this is just a suggestion but, you also have an option to save enough money there and then send your parents over afterwards? This suggestion would mean nothing if your parents don't want to leave Malaysia sweat.gif
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post Oct 7 2014, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(myming @ Oct 6 2014, 07:40 PM)
I don't think USA PR's are that easy to get, besides I don't think it is fair for me to ask them to leave all their friends and whatnot just to start over at a foreign land. Also, they would be pretty old by the time I can afford to do so, so yeah, not very feasible, thanks for the suggestion though!  biggrin.gif
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Indeed it is insanely hard to get. Either there is immigration reform or there isn't.

Hmm, yeah, my mom said the same thing, but then again I don't really want my parents to be at some suburb all by themselves.
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post Oct 7 2014, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 6 2014, 11:55 PM)
Working in the US smile.gif Graduated in 2011.
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Oh so are you on H1-B or do you have a green card now?
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post Oct 7 2014, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 7 2014, 03:33 AM)
Agreed. I applied for the US Diversity Visa 2016 lottery a few days ago. I reviewed the statistics from the results of the previous years and the calculated chances for a Malaysian national to win is roughly 1%. No harm trying, though.
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Is it? I thought Malaysians don't normally go to the US, so our quota would rarely reach, should be much more easier than other countries. Unlike China and India, they always overshoot their quota so the chances of being a permanent resident through lottery is extremely rare. I have seen somewhere that Australia and New Zealand also almost always reach their quota.

Actually, Pew Research shows that a lot of European countries, like over 95% of them, plus Australia and New Zealand have net outflows of population to the US. Which is shocking really, I mean they are all developed nations.

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post Oct 7 2014, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 7 2014, 08:15 AM)
I'm a permanent resident now.
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Dammit, can you sponsor me????? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif icon_question.gif cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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post Oct 7 2014, 03:43 PM

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[quote=LesAffreux,Oct 7 2014, 12:41 PM]
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Thank you so much for your info

I wonder if i need to study my undergraduate degree in us if i want to study law there?

law is my first choice but i still thinking whether to study in business, invesment or law
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Technically you could still apply for a J.D Program with an undergraduate that isn't from the States. Most schools would ask you to submit your transcripts to the LSAC Credential Assembly Service to be evaluated. I'm not sure how it's gonna affect your application, but generally law schools really take into consideration your GPA and your scores on the LSAT.

Not to be a downer, but I would really recommend taking law somewhere other than the US. Just because (if I'm not mistaken) you can't practice law in Malaysia if you get your J.D in the States. I do not think Malaysia recognizes the J.D.

Also, as a previous poster said, it's incredibly hard to get residency in the States. Also, the amount of lawyers in the States is already staggering and finding employment (especially without residency) would be very, very, very difficult.
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I heard that using an overseas degree to apply for a US JD is very very hard, because of its difference with the rest of the world.

Yeah, he is right, if you intend to come back to Malaysia, don't go to the US, unless you an secure a job here or something like that.

Hmm, not necessarily hard everywhere @LesAffreux, the US is vast and there is opportunity if you find it, normally, for competitive jobs, the more unpopular states should have sufficient demand for lawyers, states like most of the midwest, North Dakota (booming like crazy right now), or Utah (really stable) should be alright. The states with the most competition are always the coasts. Although the Gulf Coast states like Texas is booming, so you might be fine there too.
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post Oct 7 2014, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Oct 7 2014, 04:42 PM)
Bro...an interesting question to ask.. Do you think the world financial and oil market is going for a big crash? Oil prices now has fallen to a level that will severely threatened the shale oil industry. Once the oil market crashes, it will send shockwaves throughout the world.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/et-now...ow/44127958.cms
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Financial markets are hard to say and they always are. Nobody ever realizes its a bubble until it pops.
Oil on the other hand, so far it has been trading downwards of $90 a barrel, and it might reach around $80-$85 some time in the future. Might. But it is unlikely that it will crash to like $20 because no matter how bad the economy is, they still need oil to power through recoveries and soft patches. Oil is only a bit more predictable than financial markets, eg: stocks, bonds. This is because macro events in the world that are obvious harm to oil prices: more production, an oil producing country cutting production, sanctions and whatnot, are big and sometimes, only sometimes, predictable.

When the oil markets crash, it will not be necessarily bad for a countries. Countries that have oil deficits would definitely reap the rewards. Oil exporting countries of course, would bear the brunt of the collapse. I am not sure if the Malaysian budget has a large percentage tied to oil wealth, but it will certainly do some extent of damage. All in all, good for consumers, bad for oil governments.
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post Oct 7 2014, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Oct 7 2014, 05:35 PM)
The thing is if the oil market crash, so does American economy, which is riding on a shale boom fueled by high oil prices. Hence, North Dakota may be booming explosively now, but might be on the verge of collapse, if oil price hits new low. the shale boom took place only because oil prices was high enough.
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That is not possible. The American economy is not dependant in oil investments or oil exports in any way. It is not Saudi Arabia that everything they do is directly tied to oil. Sure it will have some form of damage including lower exports, lesser oil investments due to low price, but at the end of the day, consumer spending makes up 70% of the economy, and what more is better than lesser spending on gas? High oil prices are for oil governments to enjoy, not the rest of us.

Plus, the cost of drilling would need about $80 a barrel oil to support it, it is hard to say that oil will crash that far. Since depressed oil prices are not because of horrible things happening, like the middle east suddenly exploding or something like that, it should be better for consumers for an amount of time. When I mean an amount of time, it means that low oil prices will not stay forever, low oil prices would choke supply, since nobody has the incentive to increase production, there won't be enough oil to sell to the world, and when demand outpaces supply, prices will raise once again. Simple supply and demand theory right there.

Although I can't say for sure what will happen if oil prices fall to deep, but the US has its own oil trading platform that is the WTI, which is lower than the international one we are following, the Brent. WTI: $90.24 Brent: $92.45
Since they are not allowed to export crude oil, I expect most of the damage will be to the rest of the world.
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post Oct 7 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Oct 7 2014, 11:13 PM)
Not that I want to, lol, but I can't. Permanent residents can only sponsor spouse and immediate family under 21.
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Yeah I know, just trying my luck sad.gif
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post Oct 8 2014, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 8 2014, 01:01 AM)
That's what I thought as well, until I did some calculations based on the statistics. sad.gif

There is a scaled percentage of winning, which pretty much puts every participant from an eligible country at a 0.X to 1.X% chance of winning. Malaysia has roughly 6000-7000 applicants a year (excluding dependents) and only 70-80 might win. Based on the previous year trends, the number of Malaysians winning each year seems to be going down. Meanwhile, in the 2013 lottery, 6029 Iranians won the lottery out of 369,118 Iranian applicants. That is 1.6%. I hope this gives you the general idea of what is going on. smile.gif

Countries that have had over 50,000 selected entrants in the past 5 years are not eligible to apply for the DV lottery. These countries are called "high admission countries", and as you could probably guess, such countries include Mainland China, Bangladesh, India, Philippines, and Nigeria.
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Well, it is a lottery at the end and it is not supposed to be won easily. But Iran is a country in dire need of aid, I wouldn't be surprised that they would have a better chance of winning. And 369,118 quite a lot for a country that doesn't like the US all that well.

I imagined that there would be quite a lot of high admission countries around the world... hmm.gif
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post Oct 8 2014, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(brianlzf @ Oct 8 2014, 02:03 AM)
Going to retake it after SPM. Aiming for a 2250 and above so I can safely apply for any of the UCs. But I don't know what I want to do yet.
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Wow you've done it before? How is it?

I am now forced to aim higher since yesterday I went on college hunting and realized I wanted even better schools. And also, I'm gonna sound naive and all but I got attracted by Princeton, but its admission rate is like 7.3%, so I'll need to aim like about your score or higher cry.gif Why do I put pressure to myself cry.gif

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post Oct 8 2014, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 8 2014, 01:04 AM)
Mind sharing how you got your permanent residency? And I'm guessing you're from the East Coast based on your post time, unless you're an early riser.. haha. Greetings from the Lone Star State!
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Wow! Where are you in Texas? Mind sharing some experiences?
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post Oct 8 2014, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 8 2014, 03:49 PM)
Oh, we're in the same time zone then! I'm still trying to get adjusted to being two time zones away from my girlfriend, as I just moved from California. Texas isn't actually that bad.. the gas here is a whole dollar cheaper than in Los Angeles, the Tex-Mex food is awesome, and the Southern hospitality is hard to beat! Now, as for the Midwest.. well, it's actually not too bad. I hated Nebraska though.
You probably read the conversations above wrong, actually it is me who is "from one of the UTs". Haha. Unless spunkberry is a former Longhorn. Or Roadrunner. Or <insert mascot of other UT campuses>.
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Texas is pretty cool! Ignore the stereotypes of conservativeness please! Austin is the liberal oasis in Texas. And its job market is significantly better than California, unless you're in the Bay Area or Silicon Valley.
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post Oct 8 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Oct 8 2014, 02:48 PM)
fuiyoh spunk...are you from one of the UTs? biggrin.gif
Mister Lee, good point you have there! I was having this thought provoking statement running through my mind, until your comments come into the picture, and the aha moment came. Yes, depressed oil price won't stay long, as production ceased, consumer will start picking up due to cheaper prices, hence, the whole demand supply cycle will move on the uptick again , and when it happens, the oil price will spike again.

And yes, mind telling me why you hated math so much? :S haha...looks like American Govt loves STEM people, if you don't mind taking courses like mathematical finance, high chance you can get a job.
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Well you have to know that the American economy is the most dynamic and the most sophisticated in the world, it is not so easy that a finger push would collapse the whole economy. I would take a lot to make them stumble even, like the 08-09 financial crisis and so on.

Are you asking me? Well, I never really liked math from the start, I mean I can do it if I want to, I think I am just discouraged. I can get high scores if I am willing to study for it, but so far that hasn't happened yet.

The US government loves STEM people, most of the international students receiving green cards are people who work in the STEM field, so if you are, you're definitely in advantage. Unlike me, I'm going for Finance and then work in Investment Banking. But I might be able to convince my employer by then icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 8 2014, 07:23 PM

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Can anyone tell me how much of a drag a bad high school report will be in application? Because my high school grades are really in critical condition.
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post Oct 9 2014, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(acgerlok7 @ Oct 9 2014, 02:21 PM)
Taylor's College for my A levels...my a levels was a less than stellar one... i had personal problems during my A Levels...to save money i took ADP after my A Levels.
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Hey did you do math in A Levels? Is it hard? If yes, how hard is it?
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post Oct 9 2014, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(latias93 @ Oct 8 2014, 11:25 PM)
I know, but I guess it gives an equally fair chance for all eligible countries. If certain countries had a high admission quota, I suspect that many applicants would try and adopt a second citizenship to double their chances of winning, or whatever illicit method they can think of. I'm not at all surprised by the fact that Iranians are flocking to the Land of the Infidels, because from my experiences of meeting all sorts of people from all over the world.. whatever you think you know about them, throw it out of the window right now. For example, I'm Malay, and although I'm afforded with various opportunities, 'shortcuts' and whatnot in Malaysia, I don't plan on going back to settle down. That surprised you? But let's stay on track, this is EE, not RWI. xD

I'm in San Antonio but every weekend I go back home in Houston. What sort of experiences do you want to know? tongue.gif

And conservativeness is well and alive here, but in the Southern parts of Texas, Democratic influences are a majority, since, you know, it being that close to the Mexican border, and the population demographics that live in that area.. there is a high job growth here in Texas due to the O&G industry and the recent tech boom in the DFW area. Honestly, as a student, I preferred the job market in Southern California, there were a lot of big companies, startups, and nonprofits that I wanted to intern in but I never had the time to. Here in Gulf Coast, it's pretty much all engineering stuff.

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Wow, you're Malay! Makes we want to know more! How do you feel being there in the US? Do you face discrimination? How do you like life there? Is the job market thriving? What does the San Antonio look like? Houston to my eyes is one huge city made up of endless stretches of suburbs, but please do elaborate!

Why don't you plan to come back here? Is it because there are simply more opportunities there?

Well typically, big cities have a lot of fortune 500 companies, I forgot the exact number, but I think LA and DFW have about the same amount of fortune 500 companies. Houston has a lot of them too, but it has more concentration in energy, I mean for gods sake, they have a place called the Houston Energy Corridor :OOOOO

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