remember, pap smear prevents cervical cancer..
vaccine also prevents it!


This post has been edited by sandboxz: Nov 15 2008, 01:20 AM

yup, prevention is better than cure..

y seem so scary...

agree with alip...save than sorry..before anything happens just go for it la..

But it expensive. I have to disagree with the statement that in sexually active women there's no point taking the vaccine.

It is useful! Even in sexually active women because that's when they have highest risk of getting HPV. So happen IF they already have HPV, it does not cause cancer straight away. Before it does, the vaccine will help prevent the cancer formation. Simple terms, it prevents cancer in sexually active and inactive.

In fact the statement should be.. HPV vaccine is NOT necessary in virgins, but once they are sexually active they should take the vaccine to prevent Cervical cancer because they're now exposed to HPV

i think you get the concept wrong already...
you have to understand the nature of HPV virus, these virus cannot be treated completely once you infected with it. the reason why most people doesn't have problems with HPV is because of our immune system which control the virus. Most of the time, it stays as "dormant" state in our body.

the HPV vaccine aims to give immunization to virgins to certain viral strain. strain 16,18 (high risk) while quadrivalent 6,11,16,18 (6,11 cause genital warts). the concept is same like hepatitis B, you dun give them after you infected with hepatitis B ( useless already...right?).
once you're sexually active, yes, within 3 months(maximum limit after exposure), you must get yourself vaccinated, else, after 3 month, virus started to establish in the body. there's nothing much you can do.

HPV itself is associated with neoplastic of cervical mucosa, because they noticed HPV virus within the neoplastic cells. however, how long it takes for it to become cancerous is still unknown...
Those who develop cervical cancer are those high risk group who have recurrent HPV infection...
however, cervical ca is very uncommon in sexually inactive group, that's why, pap smear is not indicated for those sexually inactive women.

the researchers evaluate the outcome between HPV vaccinated sexually active women and those who are not vaccinated with HPV vaccine(control group).
they noticed there's not much difference in the viral clearence between the group with vaccination and control group.
the theory behind this test is that human body does produce antibody against the HPV virus after exposure to clear the virus.
so, they give immunization to the subjects and see whether it helps to produce more antibody to fight against virus.
the result is not significant.

well, there's still some controversial whether this vaccine are indicated for those who are already exposed...
of course, as manufacturer, and pharmacy, they'll do everything to get into you wallet...
the best choice : go and get professional advice from a gynaecologist.

this is my modified statement
get the vaccine when you're still virgin!!!
if you're not virgin anymore, but with protected sex activity(100% protection=nvr missed a time putting up barrier protection), there's still some chance the vaccine works for you...(jus incase you havent expose to)..
if you're having unprotected sex activities, ... it's totally up to you, but the effect is not significant.

vaccine is only useful for those who not yet infected by HVP.
If you are active in sex , and luckly not get infected after test, then u should take vaccine. It cost about RM1k i think.

Pap test just to c whether you are infected or not , not to prevent. But mostly HVP can be cured/control if you discover early.

Some women kena HVP but the HVP wont turn to cancer. There is a chance of man kena HVP oso.... of course after that it turn to another cancer but not cervic cancer.

I wish to make this really really clear

cervical cancer -
- KILLs ( this is not a joke)
- up to 80% is caused by HPV ( not HVP) : Human papillomavirus subtype 16,18
- IT is preventable

How to prevent it?
- do pap smear ( recommended yearly for 3 years - to reduce the chances of getting a false negative )
- vaccination against HPV

How does pap smear help?
- It picks up early changes in the cervix
*** very early stages of cervical cancer has no symptoms ****
remember, it takes [I]10 years to progress from abnormal cells to cancer, thats why pap smear is really good[/I]
if there are early changes, we shall stop it, halt the process before it goes on to cancerous stage.

Another thing,
latest news - A new study has found for the first time Gardasil can be used to immunise men as well, showing it stopped HPV-related genital warts in 90 per cent of cases.

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Added on November 20, 2008, 12:11 amsorry to say,
nothing is 100% in this world.
you can still get HIV , Hep B or C, and HPV even with the condom on

This post has been edited by sandboxz: Nov 20 2008, 12:11 AM

yup, because the condom is not 100% impermeable..

The most common causes of getting STD with the condom on is because of
breakage,
slippage,
failure to use them throughout intercourse.

This is why it is important to
- check your condom before wearing it - see if the packet is torn / check for visible breaks
- wear it correctly
- use it throughout the intercourse

Too tired to give any more explanations as each people have their own views. When you go out there and actually give people the vaccine or read about them, the conclusion is basically give the vaccine when she's a virgin or even when she's not a virgin. It helps both ways. Only way it doesnt help is when she already has cancer or the virus is already mutating her cells causing her to get cancer

the vaccine will stimulate your immunity to that virus,HPV that can cause cancer of the cervix if u r infected with

o hai, can anyone recommend a gyno who does pap smear tests on sunday? the hospital in sunway and glen eagles both don't provide that testing on sunday how leh i'm working every other day sighhhh

take a time shift to do it...it takes less than 15 mins for the whole process...
go to private clinic is faster...trust me.
let's say you clinic @ 9, by 10am u can go back to your work. simple.


This post has been edited by klifex: Nov 23 2008, 06:04 AM

yup, it just scrap some tissue for sample and send to lab.then,u can get the result later..

http://www.webindia123.com/health/tests/women/pap.htm



This post has been edited by kumarr: Nov 23 2008, 02:16 PM

Hope those who are professional or doctor can help me answer my question :

1. I know pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before. But virgin are allowed to do pap smear or not ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

2. My best friend who suspected have uterus cancer already done pap smear after adviced by doctor but she is a virgin. So can this incident happen ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

3. If pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before, then how a virgin can test for uterus cancer ?

Thanks u very much ~

this is a little off topic, should b under uterine cancer and pap smear.
But, oh well ...

1. I know pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before. But virgin are allowed to do pap smear or not ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

Virgins are not recommended to have pap smear.
It'll be very traumatizing and hurtful!

2. My best friend who suspected have uterus cancer already done pap smear after adviced by doctor but she is a virgin. So can this incident happen ? (by the law/term & condition from government health department or hospital)

Uterine cancer and cervical cancer are two very different things.
Pap smear screens for cervical cancer not uterine cancer.
You can not diagnose uterine cancer from pap smear!! ( oh well, unless the uterine cancer is huge and sloughs off the cells to the cervical canal!)
Risk factor for uterine cancer is obesity, single , never give birth before, late menopause etc...

3. If pap smear should given to girl who already have sex before, then how a virgin can test for uterus cancer ?

Good question.
Actually, there are no screening test for uterine cancer..
The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.
But, most uterine cancer patients come very late.
Normally they consult the traditional med pplz.. which is kinda sad..

Hope this helps yungseng

This post has been edited by sandboxz: Nov 23 2008, 11:36 PM

Thanks and appreciate for your help

Pap smear screens for cervical cancer not uterine cancer. You can not diagnose uterine cancer from pap smear!!

However, in http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/u/uterine_cancer/intro.htm show that uterine cancer can be test by pap smear. So any comments ? (Sorry not to offend you but I just want to clear my confuse only)

The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.

How to check ? By what exam / test ?

Another questions :
1. Will virgin get uterine cancer ?

2. Will virgin get cervical cancer ?

This post has been edited by YuNGSeNG: Nov 24 2008, 02:11 PM

However, in http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/u/uterine_cancer/intro.htm show that uterine cancer can be test by pap smear. So any comments ? (Sorry not to offend you but I just want to clear my confuse only)


What you saw was this izit?
"Diagnostic Tests for Uterine Cancer
# Physical exam
# Pelvic exam
# Pap smear "


Personally, I'm surprised to see that stated there!
Why?

1. It has been studied that pap smear's "diagnostic sensitivity is
highest (BEST) for (detecting cervical cancer) invasive endocervical adenocarcinoma and
lowest (not reliable) for diagnosis of (uterine cancer) endometrial adenocarcinoma."
- taken from a research paper published in 2000 Diagnostic Cytopathology.

So this means that, it is not the screening tool of choice because chances to miss uterine cancer is HIGH.
Since it chances to miss it is HIGH, doctors do not use it on uterine cancer at all -

2. Uterine cancer (endometrial cancer) means that the endometrium (cells) is the lining of the uterus is cancerous.
This sits far above the cervix.
Logically,
a Pap smear doesn't test it
It was designed to look for the cervical cells.
Unless like i said in the previous post, it is a large huge cancer bulk that is shedding its cells into the cervical canal! Then at this time the cancer which would be very very advanced, and it would be very obvious to the doctor that you are having uterine cancer.
This time around, the doctor would have used the ultrasound ( which is less invasive) to look into your abdomen instead of sticking a wooden spatula into your private parts.

The doctor will check for it only when he is suspicious of you developing it.

How to check ? By what exam / test ?

1. Ultrasound of the uterus and the surrounding area

Another questions :
1. Will virgin get uterine cancer ?
Research have shown that people who are obese, smokes, single, never got pregnant before has a higher chance.

2. Will virgin get cervical cancer ?
The risk is lower because they are not exposed to HPV which causes 80-90% of cervical cancers.

This post has been edited by sandboxz: Nov 24 2008, 05:56 PM