QUOTE(eddie2020 @ May 25 2011, 11:11 AM)
the samsung galaxy s is I9000 ? its android is 2.1 rite?
now new phone got dual core rite? still haven know stuff about android.. what is S-on and S-off ? it related to rooting? h is like flashing our phone to above limitation? i jz know to flash firmware with my old phone S.E last time.. dono about android
yes, android 2.1, but now oledi can officially update to 2.2 & 2.3 is around the corner...
take some times, read these, very informative & useful for newbies
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...=0&p=33956804http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1211308& a quote from the Incredible S XDA-developer thread
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Frequently Asked questions
Temproot and Permaroot - What's the difference?
First, let me explain root access. Root access, superuser or su (all the same thing) is basically an admin account for Linux. It gives us permission to to access commands that normally couldn't be accessed, and to write information to partitions that normally couldn't be written to. On older devices (such as the Hero), once we had root we could write to the /system and /recovery partitions, and flash custom ROMs. In the case of the IS (and every HTC device since the desire), this isn't true. Getting root access is quite trivial and no where near as useful, because the internal flash memory (NAND or eMMC) is locked down and it means we everything we 'write' to the system (or any other protected partition) is lost on reboot because it is a non permanent change. In short, this stops us from flashing custom ROMs and recovery. This is a problem for any devices that are shipped with the Security flag on (S-ON). To get Permaroot, and the ability to flash custom ROMs, we need S-OFF.
So what's this S-OFF then?
Since the Desire, HTC have been securing their phones better than before by locking the internal flash memory (NAND or eMMC) to stop it being written to, unless the file being flashed is signed by a private key only known to HTC. This is controlled by a flag (@secuflag) and is identified as the device being S-ON. Telling the HBoot the device is Security Off (S-OFF) stops this check for the key, and allows us to write anything to any partition, which is what we are aiming for.
There are actually two levels of S-OFF. The Bootloader (HBoot) and the Radio. Getting S-Off on the HBoot gives us everything we need, but doesn't actually turn off the @secuflag which is set in the radio. What it is possible to do is to flash a HBoot that believes the Radio is set to S-OFF, as the HBoot is responsible for setting that flag. Once the HBoot on the phone is S-OFF, we can write to all the partitions and basically do whatever we want, but it is possible to go one step further. Flashing a radio that is S-OFF and actually setting the @secuflag off gives 100% total access to every part of the phone and it's software, as it becomes network unlocked allowing to you to use any SIM and also allows you to flash a ROM from any carrier (known as Super CID). It also makes it nigh on impossible to permanently loose root no matter what you flash. Once you have radio S-OFF, it makes it much easier to flash new HBoots and ROMs even if you flash something that is locked down tight.
Setting the Radio to S-Off is not necessary, and gaining S-OFF on the HBoot is more than most people will ever need. Radio S-Off is just the last step of the puzzle, but it is worth noting the only points you can permanently brick your phone is flashing a radio or a HBoot, if either of these go wrong you will end up with a shiny expensive paper weight so there is risk involved.
What about this XTC Clip, can that help?
The XTC clip is a hardware device that can unlock HTC phones, regardless of the software. The device ahs been proven to unlock the Incredible S, but will require the purchase of additional hardware. We are aiming to achive full software only root, which will be free. the XTC clip will soon be available in one-off use variations for €25 if you do not want to wait for software root. Please note that the XTC clip doesn't currently allow you to revert back to S-ON if you need to for warranty purposes.
What about people who are getting devices shipped with S-OFF?
There are reports that a lot of devices coming out of China and India are shipping with the @secuflag set off. These are lucky people, and have the ability to write to the flash memory, but it can't help those of us who are S-ON. It is also worth noting that because most devices are S-ON, no one has written any ROMs or kernels for the device so they will probably have to wait until we get a way of turning our devices to S-OFF until anyone creates any software for it.
So, what are you doing about it?
Well, what we were trying to do is finding a way of telling the kernel to allow us to flash a version of the HBoot which was shipped S-OFF, thus allowing us to write to all the right partitions. All of the current exploits that allowed this to happen have been closed off, and none of them help us achieve or goal. The IS is part of a newer breed of HTC phones that are not vulnerable to any existing exploits. The only other released phone that is part of this new breed is the HTC Thunderbolt, but they have managed to get round it by downgrading to an older version of the software which is vulnerable to the older exploits. Although we have the ability to downgrade via a goldcard method (thanks to timbo007up), no one has discovered an RUU old enough to be exploitable. Bin4ry (they guy responsible for finding root on the X10) has been working with myself, timbo007up and hawkysoft trying to adapt the wpthis exploit (the one used on the G2 and DHD) to work with the Incredible S, but it appears that it cannot be done. He is now looking at the kexec method used on the X10 to load a custom kernel, to then allow us to overwrite the HBoot. This is how progress currently stands as of the 5th April 2011.
Glossary
Bootloader a.k.a HBoot - This is the piece of software that runs before anything else on the phone. It basically packages it all up, tells what to run in what order e.t.c Every computer device has a bootloader in some form or another, be it an Android Phone, iPhone, Windows PC, iMac e.t.c. The HBoot is accessible by switching your phone off, then holding down volume down as you turn it back on. The first line of the HBoot will tell you if you are S-OFF or S-ON.
Recovery - The recovery is the piece of software that allows us to write files to partitions while they aren't being used. It is the portal to allow us to flash custom ROM's and kernels. There are custom recoveries with more options than the stock such as ClockworkMod.
Superuser a.k.a su or Root - This is a user that is present on all linux distros that allows higher permissions than standard users have access to. Certain apps need superuser permissions to function, such as Titanium Backup.
Added on May 25, 2011, 7:36 pmQUOTE(eddie2020 @ May 25 2011, 04:30 PM)
so model before incredible S android all is S turned off?
for latest version android we need to bring to hp shop to turn it off rite?
theres 2 way to shut it down
the free way - by software, hopefully the developers can unlock it, some good case example: X8 & X10~u can claim warranty by juz flashing back all to stock ROMs once u going to claim warranty
the easy way but cant claim warranty - by hardware, using XTC Clip, u are free but u had voided the warranty for god's sake
Added on May 25, 2011, 7:50 pmQUOTE(xamenyap @ May 25 2011, 02:25 PM)
hi , i considering of getting either dell streak 5 or htc trophy .
what i usually do with my phone ..
1)internet browsing
2)social networking
3)youtube
4)games
5)take still photos .
what im looking forward in a phone ...
1)screen customization
2)easy to download apps
3)nice colour display
4)smooth inferface - like iphone orientation etc
why dell ? cause of the huge display .
why trophy ? cause of games ?
please suggest other htc models if you like . no tablet please . its too big already .
also , android or windows phone 7 , which is better ?
ive been using iphone 3g for almost 2 years . so there is much customization and its so boring . no intention of getting iphone 4 cause the iOS is the same.
budgeting around rm1k.
i wondering where u can get WP7/dell streak @ 1k budget?
is it u typo error?
if really juz 1k, i would say csl mi410 @ rm999..
a CSL rebrand of Huawei IDEOS X6...
4.1" WVGA screen, 1ghz snapdragon like DHD, Desire S, Incredible S, official android 2.2 w/ full flash support...
This post has been edited by adrianccseng: May 25 2011, 07:50 PM