find a wife then settle ur desire prob?

Are you trying to say most people believe in the odds of a dog coming back then believing in God?

Has anyone here read about the Templeton Fund study on prayers?

The Problem with us is that may of us don't understand God's way of how things work.

Many think it's just empty believe or blind believe as you would have it.

The Devil would love to have you believe that.

This is the second quote I see next to someone else who quote Lucifer is the good one trying to save human kind from God who is the evil one.

But never the less not surprise one bit and still I don't see what's the relevance.

An act of Faith in what, if you don't mind?

You cannot have faith in nothing or void.

No I'm not saying you said that, just saying yours is the second one I've seen.

Well that's the conspiracy l was talking about. But really if we were to go with this story still doesn't made any difference because God hates pride.
He would have been cast down anyway. The Bible did mention He was going to exalt himself above God.

And this story doesn't make sense because Satan is not omniscience. He doesn't know the future.
So how would he know humans would be ungrateful if Sin didn't enter before creation?
But the Fact that He's the one who instigated this to happen prove beyond any doubt He has lost it.

But my point is, you cannot place your Faith that hangs on nothing.

It doesn't work that way.

It's all a question of probability. From evidence of the dog's character, there is a high probability he might return.

Well, these alternate explanation may be consiprationally interesting but I believe it's important to understand the fundamental of the Bible before entertaining other theories to know the difference. After all it is God the Father who called Satan as the father of all Lies, he's a liar from the beginning and he is by deception, the god of this world. I would not be surprise at all if these alternate theories somehow supported Satan to be innocence in any sense. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how these theories came to be. Satan is still alive after all. But for the sake of the public, proper explanation of the gospel should be made known. 

We are not sinners because we "want" to sin willingly. We are sinners because of the effect of sin entering to this world via Adam and Eve's disobedience at the garden of Eden. Doesn't matter if it was Adam, Ahmad or Ah Chong's fault. You can put Thillaimuthu as the first human being and still it is his disobedience that causes the rest of humanity to fall. What matter is that, the caused of effect of sin has been put into motion and it is an inherited curse. His disobedience towards God caused the manifestation of the curse of sin to be passed on for generation to generation. That is why people act the way they are today. The sinful nature. You and I are not excluded from this. It affect all of us.

And Satan is really the instigator for our downfall. Since he's the one who engineered the deception, how can anyone say he's not at fault? His predominant fault was his pride. Simple revelation. God saw through Satan's mind. The Bible is very clear, he wanted to overtake God. I believe the Bible is the infallible explanation of who Satan is. Though he is cunning and was nearly perfect, he is no where near God's in power and knowledge. Nobody is above God or knows better than God.

And if we were to go along with your conspiracy theory that satan fought God until today to prove that he is right and god is wrong still points back to his demise, pride. This is where satan has failed.

If God has ordained humanity to be second in ranking in the creation chart of life, who is satan or anybody to say otherwise? Is satan smarter than God? I don't think so. Not in this sense because the system of God's kingdom is different from this world. Whatever that is esteem high in value, God consider them as nothing.

The world would have only recognize VIP status, high education, eloquence, money, etc to qualify for a position. But God chose the low things of this world the confound the wise. That is why the 12 Apostle are chosen all from lowly background. Peter was a only an uneducated fisherman after all but he became one of God's patriarch used powerfully in the Kingdom of God in miracles, signs and wonders. And That is why Jesus came for sinners, the unqualified, the social outcasts, prostitutes, etc. Why He didn't come for the righteous, those who are of VIP status, high education, eloquence, money, those who teachers of the Law? Because those people are self righteous in their own delusion. They become full of pride. This is exactly what Satan has become. God hates Pride. 

Do you know that Satan have been disarmed of his powers and principalities at the cross? God removed it and made a public spectacle in the spiritual realm. He has been defeated and has no real power. His only weapon now is deception and lies. And God is offering Salvation to everyone who accept it. I don't see how satan is able to smile in victory when the fact of the matter it is God has won ultimately and offered this to us through Jesus Christ.

Do you know the reason why God esteem we humans above the angels? It's Because we're created in God's image. Lucifer and all the Angels wasn't.
Because we are created in God's own Image, we have part of God's conscious in our spirit and we are eternal in that sense and is of much more worth in comparison. That is why God loves us like a Father to a child. Probably that is why Angels are not forgiven when they sin but we are given that chance.

Anyway God never meant for us to be under dominion of Sin. The Book of Genesis tells us the heart of God towards Man.
He wanted us to have an abundant Life and Dominate in corporation with Him. That desire of God is true for you and I even Today.
It is when Satan deceived humanity to fall from grace, God step in to save us through Jesus. That too tells us the Heart of God's love towards us. If that is not God's Love for us, I don't know what is.

I don't accept the concept of reincarnation because it doesn't make sense and for me is not the truth. The Bible is very clear we only have one life. The feeling of hell on earth are the effect of sin and the Forces of Darkness at work. That prove that the devil is still alive. But the real Lake of Fire explains eternal pain. Just imagine putting your finger over a burning candle. At first nothing, then the sensory pain kicks in. Then the real agonizing pain and you can't move your finger. Multiply that by a million times effect all over your body. That is literal hell. I think in comparison, Earth would be like paradise but still both are headed for destruction.

Those who have already accepted Jesus Christ has been redeemed from the curse of sin, because God has punished all the curse of Man, the punishment and wrath of God into the body of Jesus at the Cross. Therefore God justified the person's believe as righteousness. He is saved from condemnation. That is the grace of God. Something we cannot earn by our effort. The Bible is very clear on that. The reason why God does not accept anyone self effort to reach God because it reeks of self righteous pride and that is why the Pharisee of Jesus's day couldn't see God.

Something interesting to ponder. All of the world's religion is still teaching self effort.

God Bless.

Contemporary thinking clashes with traditional Christianity. Devil's intelligence cannot be determined, intelligence, logic and sin lines are blurred. With wisdom blessed upon, it does not prevent the person (example, Solomon) to be making mistakes that lead to sin towards God.

Regarding on the line of grace, there is also the matter of the reward and the entering into the kingdom. So, the truth is balanced.

Hi Deadlocks,

That is not my meaning.

What I meant is that satan is part of the cause of the Fall of Man.

He cannot be exempted from blame just because he is smart or cunning or know better most of us. He doesn't fall into immunity or shades of grey area.
It doesn't give him a right because ultimately God has better reasons than the devil when He created us.
To say that Lucifer was smart and that gives him the right to challenge God's wisdom in creating us is like saying Lucifer knows better than God.
God is much greater in wisdom than all of his creation combined.

And to answer you, yes we are all responsible for our own sins. We cannot just blame the devil and leave as it is. We should take corrective decisions to overcome it and the only way to overcome it is through Jesus Christ. Not by our own merits or works to justify oneself before God. That is why God gives us grace.

Peace.

A Son of GOD died in vain. There are 66 chapters over 1500years of different writers. No body can point out any mistake in the Bible. I think we have to pray for Deadlocks.

That one not surprise la.

Call me vain but I always feel most Christians in Church are baby sheep.

Even the apostle Paul felt the same. (Hebrews 5:12) lololol.

Baby sheeps need to be guided with love la bro.

It takes God to change their life to be open to all races because only He has a Heart big enough and patience long enough and the power to move situations to make people get it in life.

You and I when we take out the whips and rod of judgement will only make them see us as attention horse in church even with sincere intentions.

What I mean is this, we become examples for others to see. Good that you practise no racism. God will use that to shine a light in their lives to expose their weakness.

Just continue to be a good example. There is power in there.

ermmm being a good example doesn't involve judging, you know that right?

all the best to you then, hope it doesn't back fire. nanti you get burned also.

Fighting fire with fire, everyone gets burned. 

People will be motivated to listen and perhaps change when approach from a non aggressive angle.

That's what happen to the woman caught in the act of adultery. (John 8)

The pharisee and teachers of the law wanted condemnation and judgement to be sentenced right away by stoning her.

But Jesus didn't and to the surprise of those standing there, gave her a gift of no condemnation and the Bible mentioned she responded in later chapters in repentance.