There may be a need for a pesrpective on Hell itself, instead of just fire and brimstone:

Yeap, I learned that about those parts.

More:

Interesting. The questions in this video are the ones which made me know that it's not just standing for what you think it is right, but also constantly ask yourself if you could ever be wrong. Constant investigation via study, and the world view around you. The question which the Damascus Muslim brought up that he was talking about about, "I think the Muslim should stop asking how Jesus die, rather, they should ask why did He die". It is this very spirit of realization, not a realization of which religion is more correct than one than the other, but more towards how there are bigger, and more important questions, the correct questions instead of the answers which everyone has differently, this very spirit of questioning, seemed to me is the only way towards enlightenment or whatever you wish to call it, towards the understanding of your own religion you are currently having right now, and possibly a conversion towards the religion whichever you think it is the truth.

Of course, the question of how one religion think it is better than another is still there, and I believe that this is more of a personalized journey in accordance to his of her world view, by asking questions along the way through examination and experience of questioning while living in the very breathing world you are in.

Should you are asking about my world view, Christianity has been one of the religion I knew which were constantly questioned about, bombarded, and re-questioned about it ever more than other religions who seemed to have only one or limited say in the realm of questioning...that this is our religion, do not question it please, and respect my religion please...those kind of insecure responses you get whenever you question their faith.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 10 2012, 03:08 AM

Yes, I know he has answered that question, specifically with the list of categories which needed to be fulfilled in order to stand out as what will be the religion one should be looking for. I was more interested in his dialogue with the Damascus Muslim though, as mentioned in my previous post.

I will look at them in good time.

People, I strongly suggest this equation:

Philosophy + religion = Understanding.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 10 2012, 03:28 AM

"Thats how you in the west have talked about judgement and heaven and hell.."

"He said, we have never done it that way before, because the bible doesn't do it that way."

"Its not a matter of leaving earth and going to heaven. Its heaven and earth joined together."



(HD) Transcript: " The word hell has had a checkered career in the history of the church. And it wasnt hugely important in the early days. It was important, but not nearly as important as it became in the middle ages. And the in the middle ages, you get this polarization of heaven over here and hell over there, and you have to go to one place or the other eventually. So you have the Sistine Chapel, with that great thing behind the altar. This enormous great judgment seat, with the souls going off into these different directions. Very interestingly, I was sitting in the Sistine chapel just a few weeks ago. I was sitting for a service, and I was sitting next to a Greek Orthodox...who said to me, looking at the pictures of Jesus on one wall. He said, these I can understand. The pictures of Moses on the other wall, he said, those I can understand. Then he pointed at the end wall of judgment, and said, that I cannot understand. Thats how you in the west have talked about judgment and heaven and hell. He said, we have never done it that way before, because the bible doesnt do it that way. I thought, whoops. I think hes right actually. And whether youre Catholic or Protestant, that scenario which is etched into the consciousness of Western Christianity really has to be shaken about a bit. Because if heaven and earth are to join together. Its not a matter of leaving earth and going to heaven. Its heaven and earth joined together. And hell is what happens when human beings say, the God in whose image they were made, we dont want to worship you. We dont want our human life to be shaped by you. We dont want, who we are as humans to be transformed by the love of Jesus dying and rising for us. We dont want any of that. We want to stay as we are and do our own thing. And if you do that, what youre saying is, you want to stop being image bearing human being within this good world that God has made. And you are colluding with your own progressive dehumanization. And that is such a shocking and horrible thing, that its not surprising that the biblical writers and others have used very vivid and terrifying language about it. But, people have picked that up and said, this is a literal description of reality. Somewhere down there, there is a lake of fire, and its got worms in it and its got serpents and demons and there coming to get you. But I think actually, the reality is more sober and sad than that, which is this progressive shrinking of human life. And that happens during this life, but it seems to be that if someone resolutely says to God, Im not going to worship you...its not just Ill not come to church. Its a matter of deep down somewhere, there is a rejection of the good creator God, then that it the choice humans make. In other words, I think the human choices in this life really matter. Were not just playing a game of chess, where tomorrow morning God will put the pieces back on the board and say, Ok that was just a game. Now were doing something different. The choices we make here really do matter. Theres part of me that would love to be a universalist, and say, itll be alright. Everyone will get there in the end. I actually...the choices you make in the present are more important than that."

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 19 2012, 08:12 AM

LOL. You speak of battles between your desires, and enlightenment. It's hard to be human, and serve God at the same time, ain't it?

Here's a short answer: Seek wisdom.

Dude. Shut the f*ck up. "Subconscious preparation to deal with future political occurences"?

Bullsh*t.

If you weren't unforgiving subconsciously in the first place, why would there be a need to prepare for future politics at church? Are you trying to say that you are not even the least being emotionally motivated to think about being "prepared"?

You also said:



Another self-conjured bullsh*t.

Let me give you something that you already know. You wanna know what is the underlying cause?

They are SINNERS like YOU. You know, similar to the one in the MIRROR too?

That is the cause. If you think that they indeed have problems with you, why wouldn't you go to them to clear things up HONESTLY? Are you that SUPERIOR to others that you think that THEY MUST COME TO YOU instead? If you think you have done nothing wrong, why not talk to them about it? Why is your bitterness towards them not clarifying things with you?

Where do you think POLITICS come from? Of course there will be politics! It is human nature, and plenty of them aren't all that kind and benevolent. It is inevitable. And it is inevitable, because sin is inevitable. And you begin to think that they are lesser than you in SINNING, then ALL THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT, have no one to be blamed for except for the one in the MIRROR. Go ahead. Look into the mirror and boast that you have every right to blame them, and that you are blameless in the ordeal that you are referring to.

Do it now. Boast in front to of the mirror until you remember this verse:

"Please forgive them father, for they know not what they do", as His hands were nailed shut into the cross.

So shut the f*ck up, and if you think you know what you are worth, go get it. But you must be willing to understand that you are a sinner walking the path of life with other sinners, and until you UNDERSTAND the IMPORTANCE of the FORIGVENESS given to HUMANITY and to YOU by the One who died on the Cross, you will continue to b*tch about your problems, blaming and pointing fingers at everyone else BUT YOURSELF.

COWARD.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 27 2012, 01:54 PM

You sounded like a conspiracy theorist. You obviously took every single information from those videos you see on youtube, and believed everything you see from the sites you have found. So a more appropriate question isn't if what you have seen is true, but whether if you have done your own research to compare conflicting views from both sides, and then came up with a conclusion with EVIDENCE? Those photos are evidence? Are you serious? With goodness sake, do a research before sounding like another conspiracy theorist, because I have also heard enough that Catholic priests are in fact, LIZARDS. With so many conspiracy theories around like yours, it becomes hilarious, almost to the point that they were merely an exaggeration.

Go search in Google, and type, Catholics are lizards. They too have pictures of how they were supposed to resemble a SECRET RACE OF LIZARDS CONTROLLING US BY THE ORDERS OF SATAN.

I laughed.

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Nov 29 2012, 02:25 AM

Things are way too uptight in this thread.

Here, laugh a lil':