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prophetjul
post Oct 15 2012, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 15 2012, 10:55 PM)
LoL, you're very quick to change the focus of the subject and use it back against the one who share it. No problem, anyway,

And

I'm replying in kind to the subject of the contention, not about you personally.

Also the Parables is exactly related, I'm making a point why we should not be critical and judge others, it's because for one,

we don't really know the person what He has done, Where's he's from.

Exactly as what you felt. You don't like it. By the same token neither will the one you judge (if you did) like it.

Besides, what makes you think there's a False Prophet in RLS?

I did a quick check, there seems to be world food shortage according to



And

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine

And

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/...acts%202002.htm

I don't know if that is the one it mentions about.
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You do sound somewhat personal. You were using the 'YOU' word a lot. Sounds pretty personal.....
Plus you are bordering on having that log whilst you tell me to remove mine............ nod.gif

C'mon..those parables are about mercy and forgiveness. We are NOT on that subject, but false prophets.
Dont deflect the point of contention So what do you call a person who delivers false prophecies?

Its exactly i dont know the fella i can make an unbiased scriptural judgement based on his prophecies.

i think there is a false prophet in RLS because in its site is a 2011 False prophecy.

Did the famine kill 1/6 pf the world's pop as according to that prophet? Theres almost always a famine EVERY year SOMEWHERE on this planet.

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post Oct 16 2012, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 15 2012, 11:15 PM)
Was Making a point here.

You don't like to be judged.

What makes you think others like to be judged?

Same thing you used against me not to judge you.

So Why do you still judge others?

I know you're trying to say how else do you call a false prophet, a false prophet?

That is the part you don't get it. That is not the point.

Matthew 7 is clear. When it says do not judge. Do not judge. Jesus never give you a Go ahead.

And you're trying to justify saying as long you don't have a log <insert whatever log> it gives you a right to judge others.

That is not biblical because you contradict the meaning of grace. Your righteousness is given to you as gift, you didn't earn it. You will never have a clean Log of your own.

So by the same token, have mercy attitude towards others. That's why I quoted the parables.
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Methinks what you told me NOT to do, you just did it to me! Guess what the scriptures calls these type of people?

i judge/discern beacuse Jesus instructs it.

You have a poor way of exegesis....in Mat 5-7, He was peaching aganinst the ways and teachings of the pharisees/teachers of the law. It is for this reason they hated Him.

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20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


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5:27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


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5:43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


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6:1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.




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Mat7:1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


It does not end at JUDGE NOT. It is speaking to the hypocritical teachers of the law at that time.
They were HYPOCRITES. They were instructing the people while they did aganinst their own instructions.
The instruction by Jesus did not end at JUDGE NOT.
In essence, you are not suppose to tell someone not to do something while you are doing the same yourself.

It continues..............

Because in the next lines Jesus instructs us to judge/discern the fruits of FALSE prophets.

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15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Twice He mentioned that we will know them by their fruits.

i asked you a question: When a prophet spews FALSE prophecies what do you call him?

We are given gifts by the Holy spirit. These are gifts because the righteouness of Christ dwells in us.
We do not claim righteousness on our own merits. stop writing something against me that i did not say. That is
called bearing false witness. The gifts are for the building of the body,
while false prophecies will destroy the body.

Judging righteously demands the scriptures to judge, not us.
In scriptures when a prophet prophesises FALSELY, he is called a FALSE prophet.
i did not say that. The scriptures DID.

Do you wanna change the scriptures?

Mercy and forgiveness is a differnt issue. It does not change the fact that a prophet who spews false prophecies
is called a FALSE prophet. If they repent of their mistakes, they are to be shown mercy and forgiven by the church.
That is a differnt discussion.

Was Jesus being unkind and without grace as you put it, when He called both the Pharisees and Sadducees “a generation of Vipers” (snakes) (Matt. 3:7)


In the same way you told me not to judge, you are judging me.......guess what the bible calls this type of person?

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post Oct 16 2012, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 15 2012, 11:21 PM)
Well to be honest, I don't know.

That 1/6 could refer to this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Horn_of_Africa_famine

Africa is a large continent after all.
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He said 1/6 of the world population.......

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YEAR 2011
TO THE CHURCHES
HAVE REVERENCE for God. FEAR HIM. Do not treat His House like a market. Honour and worship HIM. Repent and turn back to YOUR FIRST LOVE.

Release of Demonic spirits
The enemy is pouring dark spirits of death, mammon, strife and sexual sins upon the earth. Year 2011 will see more death occur worldwide. Hunger will be No.2 reason, wiping another 1/6 of world population.


http://www.rls.com.my/index.cfm?&menuid=118


Why are you trying to justify a FALSE prophecy?
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post Oct 16 2012, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Oct 16 2012, 11:06 AM)
I'm not, I search and there is indeed a great Famine in Africa in 2011. I saying it could be related.

And why are you so bent and confident it is a False prophecy?

You hold the world's statistic in your hand?

What's your proof?
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Methinks you are just blind............


It says 1/6 of world population...DID 1/6 OF WORLD POPULATION DIE IN 2011 BECAUSE OF FAMINE?


yOurare probablyjustasblindasthefasleprophet.


.think its time for the ignore button for a troll and a HYPoCrite......


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post Oct 22 2012, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 22 2012, 01:42 PM)
Lol ... you come back to this again? tongue.gif
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Is no harm et al.........If we love God, we strive to OBEY. No harm et al.


Added on October 22, 2012, 1:49 pmPs 119:16

I will delight myself in your statutes: I will not forget your word.


Added on October 22, 2012, 1:50 pmPs 40:8
I delight to do your will, O my God: yea, your law is within my heart


Added on October 22, 2012, 1:50 pmPs 119:47
And I will delight myself in your commandments, which I have loved

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post Oct 22 2012, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 22 2012, 01:57 PM)
There is no harm in a sense. But what is the profit? I have heard of a sister (who took it seriously) who can't sleep and troubled because she struggled her whole Christian to fulfill it. Until one day, another helped her to see Rom 7-8 that she was released.

Also, isn't this taking the the Lord's grace for granted as we rather trust in the law than Him?

1 Pet 5:10: Peter goes on to say, “But the God of all grace, who called you into His eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will Himself perfect, establish, strengthen, and ground you.” It is the Lord's grace (Himself) that PERFECTS / TRAIN us.

Isn't it a bit scary to neglect this way of perfecting by grace?

OOPS .... this suppose to answer Olga's ... hahahaa
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There should Not be any PROFIT in doing something for someone we love.

The greatest example is when Jesus died for us. He did not profit from GIivng and OBEying.

This is the greatest love, that someone should lay down his life for another.

Salvic Grace is the gving of salvation inspite of what we are, sinners appointed for wrath.

Obedience is reciprocal to that love shown by God to us. We love because He first loved us.
It is also His grace and power which enables us to OBEY.

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James 2
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.


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post Oct 22 2012, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 22 2012, 03:29 PM)
Or, you misunderstand what I meant by profit. I meant what is the profit to the fulfillment of God's eternal purpose and the growth of the believers in the divine life. Sorry for the left out as I tend to forget my readers' perspective

^^ I though I was answering Olga ... but oh well ...

Though I won't comment on book of James (His mixture of Old and New Testament) but I will say yes, he revealed that to be justified by faith is for receiving the divine life (Rom. 5:18); to be justified by works is through living the divine life. Since the living is the issue of life, to be justified by works is the issue of being justified by faith.

Cheers bro!
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Actually in God's eternal purpose is all about love, is it not?

If God is the only one to love, how does that fulfil His will?
That is one of the problems in churches today. That we are saved and thats about it.
If we say we love God, we MUST strive to OBEY Him.

For the jews, at the sealing of the covenant, they are expected to show their faith by
doing. It does not stop at the sealing of the covenant. This is what James is alluding to.

Just as Abraham went out in Faith in obedience, not knowing what to expect, so are we.
This trusting attitude is pleasing to God.

So when i say there is good in obedience to the 10 commanments, we are obeying HIM. Thats is good.
Only good can come out in obedience to God.

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post Oct 22 2012, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 22 2012, 03:58 PM)
Er ... it would not sufficient just to use just one word, love, through, it is regarding His gaining a Bride for Himself as His satisfaction. And that is no justice to post what is God's purpose in a nutshell (it takes years) .... but here are some points ....

The intention of God's purpose is to dispense Himself into His chosen people, making Himself one with them. The Bible reveals that God dwells within His chosen people and that He desires to make Himself fully one with them.

God's intention in His purpose is also to dispense Christ with all His riches to His believers chosen by God for the constitution of the Body of Christ, the church, to express the processed Triune God (Eph. 3:8-10). This is the central line of the divine revelation.

In us, the Triune God has been working in us since our regeneration and will continue until we are exactly the same as the firstborn Son of God. All of us as God’s chosen ones need to pass through the processes of sanctification, renewing, transformation, and conformation unto the glorification of our entire being. We are in the processed Triune God for Him to work in us to the extent that we are exactly the same as the embodiment of God, the firstborn Son of God, so that we all may become the embodiment of God. The firstborn Son of God is the individual embodiment of God; we as the many sons of God are the corporate embodiment of God. The reality of this embodiment is the all-inclusive Spirit. When this embodiment is expressed and enlarged, it is the Body of Christ.

Also, the intention of God's economy is to head up all things in Christ (Eph. 1:10). Today the entire universe is a mess, but when the new heaven and new earth come, everything will be headed up in Christ under His headship. In the church, Christ is heading us up so that eventually all things can be headed up in Christ in the new heaven and new earth. This is the church as the kingdom of God on this earth today.

Ultimately, the Body of Christ consummates in the New Jerusalem. In other words, eventually, the Body of Christ becomes the New Jerusalem. The New Jerusalem is the conclusion of all these matters. We see that all the visions and all the revelations are consummated and manifested in the New Jerusalem. This New Jerusalem is the union and mingling of the processed Triune God with the transformed tripartite man to form one entity as the expression of God in eternity.

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pehkay Very nicely written about the Redemption of ALL creation unto Himself. thumbup.gif

AND all these is held together by?

Love.

See what you have descibed as Jesus said in John 14

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10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

31But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 22 2012, 05:09 PM)
Divine romance at its finest  brows.gif

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
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Read Songs of Solomon.......... PERFECT LOVE
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post Oct 22 2012, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Oct 22 2012, 06:07 PM)
Yup yup. Solomon typified Christ. We are the country girl being courted by Him.

The entire Bible is a romance, a love story, of God "falling in love" with man.

Solomon, in the masculine gender, means "peace," and Shulammite is Solomon in the feminine gender. One is the king in the palace at the capital in Jerusalem, and the other is a girl from the countryside.

I was helped with these crystals from SS which helped me with my understanding ...

1) Attracted by Christ’s love, charmed by His name, and captivated by His person to pursue Him and be led into the church life (1:2—2:7).

2) Called to remain in the cross that she may be freed from her introspective self for the fulfilling of her Beloved's purpose concerning her in the divine life (S. S. 2:8—3:5).

3) Called to live in ascension and even within the veil to experience the stronger cross that she may be one with God in her spirit even before rapture (3:6—5:1).

4) Conformed, ultimately, to be the wonderful Shulammite, who, as the duplication of Solomon, is the greatest and ultimate figure of the New Jerusalem as the counterpart of Christ (5:2—6:13).

Hope it will help you too.
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