Haha ... ... do cut down on the cola ... too much sugar ...

So desperate ah?

We based our life on a living Person, Christ

Stop trying to fight it. You have to see from the Word and be free in the Lord.

In Romans 7:7-25 we see three laws. The first law is the law of God, which refers to the written law of God, the Ten Commandments (v. 22). The second law is the law of good in the believer’s mind, that is, in his soul, which derives from the natural human life, that is, from man himself (v. 23). The law of good is in our good human nature created by God; it always desires to do good according to our conscience, which corresponds with the God-created human nature, enabling us to know what God justifies and what He condemns (2:14-15). The third law is the law of sin in the believer’s members (7:23), that is, in his body, which derives from Satan, who as sin dwells in the believer’s flesh. This law is actually sin as a natural principle.

Here the law of sin refers to the power to commit sin that arises spontaneously in man, causing man to become a slave of sin (John 8:34). Thus, man has become helpless and is controlled and manipulated by sin, doing many things against his own will. Romans 7:23 shows the warfare that occurs between the law of sin in the members of our body and the law of good in the mind of our soul. The warfare is absolutely a matter of sin in our flesh fighting against the good in our natural being; it is not at all related to our spirit or the Spirit of God.

Moreover, the law of sin, which is in the members of man’s fallen body, the flesh, constantly wars against and defeats the law of good in man’s soul, thereby making man a captive. The law of God always demands that we do good. Whenever the law of God demands us to do good, the law of good in our soul responds, trying to comply with the law of God. Whenever the law of good responds to the law of God and attempts to fulfill the requirements of the law of God, the law of sin in our flesh is aroused. When the law of sin learns that the law of good is responding to the law of God, the law of sin immediately rises up to war against and defeat the law of good and invariably captures us. Thus, we become a captive to the law of sin which is in our members. This is not a doctrine; this is our life-history.

How to be free? The answer is in Romans 8.

Romans 8:2 tells us that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed us from the law of sin and of death. The Spirit and life are mentioned in this verse but only in connection with the working of this law. Life is the content and issue of the Spirit, and the Spirit is the ultimate and consummate manifestation of the Triune God after His being processed through incarnation, crucifixion, and resurrection and becoming the indwelling, life-giving Spirit, who is life to all the believers in Christ. The law that has freed us from the law of sin, which is of Satan, who dwells in the members of our fallen body (7:23, 17), is of this Spirit of life. It is this law, not God or the Spirit, that works in us to deliver us from the working of the law of sin in our flesh and to enable us to know God and gain God and thereby live Him out. This law of the Spirit of life is the spontaneous power of the Spirit of life. Such a spontaneous law works automatically under the condition that fulfills its requirements.

In Christ there is the law of the Spirit of life, which has the capacity to operate in us daily in order to revive us and to allow us to overcome the law of sin and of death. We do not need to struggle or to strive. All we need to do is to present ourselves to the Lord and cooperate with Him, allowing the law of the Spirit of life to have an opportunity to operate within us (6:13). The way to overcome the law of sin and of death is not to make resolutions or to struggle but to call on the Lord continually and to tell Him every day, “Lord, I love You. I want to present myself to You.” We only need to remain in Christ, to present ourselves to Him, to give Him the freedom, and to enjoy Him. In this way, He will gain our cooperation and will operate in us spontaneously and gently as the law of the Spirit of life so that we will have peace, joy, and victory.

Nolar .... it's really nothing. Nothing superstitious as this. It's more a spiritual typology and significance in the Bible that is more crucial in knowing Satan.

Sin? Muhahaha ... We are constituted sinner having the Satanic nature. Enough said

Actually we do. But then, it is not the answer you seek .... nor pursue ....

Please don't make such a generalization

Ah yoh ..... you really never read anything I posted did you

You are deceived that God is here to help you for your goal and needs ???

I am afraid you are going to be very disappointed by going on this track ....

God has His plan and purpose ... but it is NEVER about your plan. Even His plan for believers is not about them but for HIS need.

Indeed, this is the very thing you are accusing us for and you yourself are standing on your premise. When we touch that premise, you are "offended". The point was we "pull" out the very foundation of arguments that you are standing on ... you became defensive ...

Then how to discuss?

3:16? John 3:16?? I don't think I quoted that

Indeed. It will not be a stretch that based on this very "small" truth of constituted sinners are all the problems of the world. This is why we need salvation. But then the goal of salvation is not just to save us from sin. That is too low of God's standard or His will.

But then, this is not what you are looking for if you are standing on your premise that "God is just a God who blessed you when you prayed to Him", a spare tire God.

Sigh, I won't want to comment on others.

God’s intention concerning the church is first to produce many sons with His life (Eph 1:5). All these sons have the life of God and inherit all that He is, all that He has, all that He planned, and all that He accomplished.

Receive the Lord and just enjoy Him, His divine life as your life and content. The greatest joy is just to be saturated with God's life. It's that simple ... be a son inheriting all the divine riches of the Father.

This is nothing to do with your earthly possessions, spirituality or goals etc ....BUT TO SATISFY GOD's heart desire to have many sons of God.

That's the first step.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Mar 30 2012, 02:31 PM

Err... let us not get into this argument of Calvinistic versus Arminianism salvation view

I think we be more concerned with those us are still alive and have opportunity to be matured in the divine life.

Sure. Let me answer your question by dropping a bomb. When all men died, they all go to Hades to await judgement. Not heaven / hell. Though there all 2 sections in Hades ... but I digress...

Let discuss this: GO!!


Christ, as the wonderful center of the entire Bible, is all-inclusive, having many aspects. The New Testament at its beginning presents four biographies to portray the four main aspects of this all-inclusive Christ. The Gospel of Matthew testifies that He is the King, the Christ of God prophesied in the Old Testament, who brings the kingdom of the heavens to the earth. The Gospel of Mark tells us that He is the Servant of God, laboring for God faithfully. Mark's account is most simple, for a servant does not warrant a detailed record. The Gospel of Luke presents a full picture of Him as the only proper and normal man who ever lived on this earth; as such a man, He is the Savior of mankind. The Gospel of John unveils Him as the Son of God, the very God Himself, who is life to God's people. Among the four Gospels, Matthew and Luke have a record of genealogy; Mark and John do not. To testify that Jesus is the King, the Christ of God prophesied in the Old Testament, Matthew needs to show us the antecedents and status of this King, to prove that He is the proper successor to the throne of David. To prove that Jesus is a proper and normal man, Luke needs to show the generations of this man, to attest that He is qualified to be the Savior of mankind. For the record of a servant, Mark does not need to tell us His origin. To unveil that Jesus is the very God, neither does John need to give us His human genealogy; rather, he declares that, as the Word of God, He is the very God in the beginning.

You sure love controversial subjects ah? What profit is there to discuss this?

Yalar. Why talk about negative things ...?? Will it build you up as a Christian for God's purpose/will? It's like every house has a garbage can and you go there just to take a look at it ??? Makes no sense to me

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The difference? Regeneration?

Regeneration means to be generated again, that is, to be born again. Regeneration is a rebirth. We all have had a birth by our parents. By that birth we received the human life, which is the life for us to exist on this earth. However, that is not the uncreated, divine, eternal life. God's intention is to put Himself into us as the eternal life, the uncreated life, to fulfill His eternal purpose. Therefore, we need another birth; this means that we need another life. By the birth we have had already, we received a life. Now we need another birth in order to receive another life, which is nothing less than God Himself.

what is?

Indeed, you have a doctrinal theory of your "strongness" ....

Being in a marital relationship ... you don't know how binding it is ....

As if, going to meeting is such a "strong thing" ..... the day God called you to raise up a church in a rural place ... then that is something .. XD when you have a wife+kids ...

Indeed ... I guess there are late night posters