QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 19 2011, 09:02 AM)
Yes, I have already thought of that, as I said, I have many many questions on my mind, and that's why you can see me replying your comments right away.
Then I have 2 questions here:
1. If hell isn't for christian who has already attained salvation, does it mean what Ps. Philip Mantofa said in his testimony - seeing religious christian in the hell, is a lie? Or an illusion only?
2. If that "Luke 13:28 - weeping and gnashing of teeth" is only indicating self blame, then who are these people that self blaming? And when and where do they self blame?
Many commentary says that this verse indicates the believers who do evil and can't enter heaven, so they are weeping and gnashing of teeth. And again, if it's works that determine human's destination, it simply means salvation is not by grace, but by works.
Philippians 2:12Then I have 2 questions here:
1. If hell isn't for christian who has already attained salvation, does it mean what Ps. Philip Mantofa said in his testimony - seeing religious christian in the hell, is a lie? Or an illusion only?
2. If that "Luke 13:28 - weeping and gnashing of teeth" is only indicating self blame, then who are these people that self blaming? And when and where do they self blame?
Many commentary says that this verse indicates the believers who do evil and can't enter heaven, so they are weeping and gnashing of teeth. And again, if it's works that determine human's destination, it simply means salvation is not by grace, but by works.
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
You no longer work FOR your salvation, but to work OUT.
Just like how one does his daily work out to build his muscles and body, so shall you WORK OUT to build up your spiritual life in God, which has given you through grace.
Just as faith without works is dead
James 2:14-26
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
If you claim you have received Christ and has salvation, then by all means work it out and be the salt and light to the world.
Doing evil deeds would only GRIEVE the Holy Spirit and nailing Christ back to the cross all over again!
QUOTE(gogo2 @ Apr 19 2011, 11:07 AM)
Why Christian use a cross as sign of Jesus when he is hang on cross? For me, the logical thing is to hate the cross.. lol
The empty cross and the empty tomb symbolize victory over sin and death. Cross is not a sign of Jesus
Its a sign of victory. Man shall no longer by bound to the slavery of sin and death.
Its a symbolic gesture of such victory
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