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post Apr 8 2011, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(thken @ Apr 8 2011, 12:00 AM)
i got a question here:

isnt that the 10 commandment has been fulfill by Jesus?

therefore we dont just obey for the sake of obeying God's law but instead obeying it because Jesus had died for us? which is also means that Jesus told us to obey the 10 commandments therefore we should do it?

1 of the example which is the 4th 1. the sabbath. actually we no need to go church on saturday, instead we gather on sunday. so actually means that Jesus had been fulfilled this commandments,  therefore we need to obey the other 9 to show our love to God?
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We also have to realize that moral laws still need to be observed. Not written law, but law thats edged into our hearts.

Faith without works is useless. So when you have salvation through faith, work it out.

Sabbatth is for us to rest and reflect. Thats all. Doing too much of anything is bad, even church work. Its time to spend at least a day in a week to have quality time with family and with God.
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post Apr 8 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 8 2011, 09:19 AM)
I know your reply doesn't refer to me but I would like to share my view.

I never blame God for what had happened to me, big problem or small problem. All I do is through prayer, move His hand to restore things to be better.

The thing is when things don't turn out after you have put your faith in, but more and more problems coming out, you might wonder if it's God's will, and you might wonder if your prayers are not pleasing, or something wrong with your prayers. And whenever you see your christian fellows, or even non-christians, getting what they want, you might want to do something and ask from God giving you the same. Please take note, things that I refer to now is not straight As in SPM or STPM or CGPA or entering which top Uni or big company, I'm merely asking for a simple family. That's all.

If you did trace back the post I shared a little bit earlier on, check out the website and see how many women out there, faithfully and genuinely loving their husbands, having intimate relationship since their dating stage but out of a sudden, after 5 years of marriage, their husbands have affair with another women, some husbands even shifted out and left the children behind.

If this husband is predestined to betray the wife, why would God allows them to get married?
Have you seen people who face too much of stress and disappointments and in the end they cry fainted and go insane?

I would rather my life go simple, than to have a very blessed and wonderful beginning but in the end huge disappointment, like a huge rock drops on your body.

The higher you have faith in something, the painful you feel. Some people who are proud and stubborn, little bit of failure will boost up their motivation to grow, but to those who are having simple life all along, these disappointments are just too much for them to bear, which is not helpful in moulding a person's life.
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If it has been predestined, would God go against it and change the predestination? Its an oxymoron situation.


QUOTE(eXyzt @ Apr 8 2011, 09:51 AM)
First of all, keep in mind that salvation means we are free of the penalty of sin. After salvation, we have to work to be free from the power of sin.

So whether you are single or married, we will still be tempted with lust. Husbands are not predestined to betray their wife. It's their choice.

Remember free will. It's like you know your best friend is dating a jerk. You can advise her all you want but if she chooses to marry him, that's up to her. God works in the same way. He shows you and guides you away from the bad stuff. If you choose to ignore Him and still do it, that's up to you.

So with regards to marriage, whoever you choose to marry is your own choice. God won't stop you. If you happen to marry an unfaithful person, you will have to live with the consequences. That's why also in the Bible, we are discouraged from marrying non-believers. Not that they are bad, but our faith might be jeopardized.

That's why I like my pastor's advice: When you are dating, look with both eyes open wide. Whe you are married, keep one eye close. Dating is when you evaluate whether you want to spend the rest of your life with that person. Marriage is living with him/her and working to make the relationship work.
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Free will, regardless of the degree of freedom, is still already made known beforehand.

Hence predestination. God is beyond space and time. Thus past present future converge into one spot. All of the future is already made known. So whatever happens, free will/choice etc are already determined.

Nothing that you decide, no matter how adhoc, can surprise God, yes?

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post Apr 8 2011, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 8 2011, 10:41 AM)
akshelli i was a former christian. true story. then i became an atheist. I used to go to DUMC play games & sing song when i was a 2". i remember once we had this sticker game about jesus and the cross. then my youth leader was telling us how jesus died for our sins. then i asked him how come because we werent born that time so what sins did i do. Also, if we dont sin then doesnt that mean jesus died for nothing?
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You are already under the penalty of sin by default.

No one can be sinless too.
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post Apr 8 2011, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 8 2011, 11:00 AM)
but if everyone is already a sinner then who is gonna be able to enter into heaven?  hmm.gif
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Those that accept Christ, which from God's grace has given us, and believe through faith.
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post Apr 9 2011, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 8 2011, 10:39 PM)
I know. But the prayers are not answered nor given. Whenever someone told me He answers prayers, and share me their testimonies, I believe with no doubt, but never would I believe the same would happen to me. I prayed, prayed, waited and prayed; I had hope, faith, patience to wait but in the end I only had disappointment.
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your prayers were answered with a NO or LATER. dont expect your prayers to go as you want all the time. Never work that way

Seek for the Kingdom of God. Go after God's will. Not yours.


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post Apr 11 2011, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(iamwho @ Apr 11 2011, 11:32 AM)
Hi debbieyss ... based on your comments, i think you already have the preconceived answers / thoughts to your questions that blinded you from God's answers to you which are included in pehkay's comments to you ...  You have to remove that layer of thoughts and the "self" in your .. in order to feel God's presence.

sorry if I sounded a bit harsh ... but from what I see, you just want to have things your way and not God's ways... and that is why God has been silent to all your prayers ... God has said in His word that “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD (Isaiah 55:8) ... also, "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; n all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight (Proverbs 3:5-6).

If you could just seek HIM and not yourself, you will see God's miracles work in your slowly and the joy you feel from this which transcends all understanding.

Stop rambling about why God didn't work things out for you .. God does now owe us anything. Instead, we owe Him our love and trust for He has sent His only begotten Son Jesus to die for us on that cross - remember this and not forget this covenant you have embraced when you accept His salvation ...  this is not our world .. it is only our temporary home ... whatever happens in this world will not last ... our hope and future is in the Lord and His heavenly kingdom and we out to live towards that ... pray that you will think less of yourself and this world and think more of Him and His kingdom .. in whatever ways, ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ (Luke 10:27).
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Reminds me of Jonah who wants to have it his way and end up in a fish tongue.gif

QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 11 2011, 10:51 PM)
why do you have to pray for debbie? its his right to believe or not believe. why must you force your religion on others?
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Look on the bright side, its all prayers, and not street demos whistling.gif

QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 11 2011, 10:55 PM)
you dare question my god-fearing ways? get outta here heathen! sigh i will pray for your wretched soul. hopefully the devil's work can be undone
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since when you believed there's a god? rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 11 2011, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 11 2011, 11:33 PM)
Indeed, the Jesus whom I first knew many years ago, is so different from what these devoted christians are telling. I know I have been repeating the same again and again, but I just couldn't help myself not repeating it. Because of these 2 testi, I have messed up my life to certain level.
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How different was the Jesus you knew and the Jesus these christians conveyed to you?
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post Apr 13 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(toda_II @ Apr 13 2011, 07:35 AM)
hi. I would love to learn a bit about Christian faith smile.gif
happy4ever, is that u, or your gf? ^^
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Neither

i'm just a lonely uncle with no girl or guy frens, only epic behind keyboard. so kesian.
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post Apr 15 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 14 2011, 09:59 PM)
see la you wented penang never ask me out. deswai you foreverarone one
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I never went to penang wor unsure.gif

QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 15 2011, 09:07 AM)
Thanks for both of you replying my post. But still, it's unfair and painful to the women.
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When Eve contemplated the goodness of the forbidden fruit, and gave it to Adam inspite of God's orders, its plainly unfair for God to blame Adam laugh.gif

eh, when woman cheats, divorces the husband and get half his assets, dont u think its painful for man too?
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post Apr 15 2011, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Apr 15 2011, 09:26 AM)
So like the lady tempted the man, the man should stand firm and not to be tempted right? Same case to Adam and Eve, Adam should stand firm.

Yes, I do think it's painful for man, too. But I try to deal by case to case basis now. And we have to see what's the reason the women cheat. Anyway, this is not the dicussion topic here... wink.gif
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That too one should see why men cheats.

Just like Adam, he knows its wrong. But makan je. why? Sometimes men are really dumb lol.
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post Apr 16 2011, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 16 2011, 01:05 AM)
debbiesys, being an atheist for more then half my life, i can honestly tell you that you do not need a god to be a good person. the question now is not whether god exists or not, but instead it is do we still need that story in today's world?

but that's my opinion la dont report me k unsure.gif
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Sure, you do not need God to be a good person. But with God, you can be even more than good. Through God, nothing is impossible.

So the question of needing "that sort of story" is negligible. We know its real.

QUOTE(mekboyz @ Apr 16 2011, 01:13 AM)
sigh. this is it isnt. why people believe in god. because without it they feel that they dont have meaning in their life. your goal in life is to enter heaven?
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Nope

Goal in life here is to be the salt and light. To be blessed and to be a blessing for others, while giving glory to God.
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post Apr 18 2011, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Apr 18 2011, 02:18 AM)
have you guys started planning on what to do in heaven?

its gonna be pretty boring you know...
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ohm and you believe there exists a heaven? rolleyes.gif

tell me, why do you say its boring? whistling.gif
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post Apr 18 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Apr 18 2011, 06:31 AM)
Let's just say I do not believe the "Hell" most people have their impression about.

This is because of that the idea of polarisation between heaven and hell were only advocated so much in the Middle ages, but never the early chronology depicted in the Bible.

The lack of advocacy of the disciples of Jesus of how heaven and hell which were polarised compared to the ones who advocated it in the dark ages GOT ME REALLY SUSPICIOUS.

I believe in Jesus Christ, but I do not believe the "Hell" that many people had impression on.

Call it instinct, but I do not find the advocacy of issues to be believable, because those who are in wisdom will understand that it is only INSTANT GRATIFICATION through MARKETING.
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There's hell, hades and Lake of Fire. Take your pick

QUOTE(hotjake @ Apr 18 2011, 10:10 AM)
it cuts both ways mang
LIKEWISE, for whatever reason theists do not see eye to eye with atheists' stand on God's non-existence and whatever your motivation (however good it seems at first - always turns into atheist bashing in the end) is to enlighten us that God does exist, Atheism tereds opened by theists for the sole purpose of bashing and ridicule or using pseudo-Science like Intelligent Design as justification tool (the various holybooks are enough) only serve to increase the disillutionment and hate even more. We are sure you believe in God and understand why, you do not have to put us down just because we are different. Just as religious bigots exists so those overly indulgent atheists that cross the border of civility. And i'm sure you owe it to your God to spread the good news especially to non-believers i.e. atheists and whatnot, then being more understanding might be the first step you'd want to consider. in /k trolls beget trolls something /k tards have grown accustomed to unless a MIRACLE happens.

'So many gods, so many creeds, so many paths that wind and wind while just the art of being kind is all the sad world needs' ~ Ella Wheeler Wilcox

icon_question.gif Thank you very much
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You're not different. You're just not being indifferent enough to our views on your kind through our bible. Why should it bother you if we look at disbelievers as "lost souls" if you do not even subscribe to our beliefs? K.P.C buat apa?
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post Apr 18 2011, 04:38 PM

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pehkay, lu tarak kerja meh? monday yet u type so long... lolz
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post Apr 18 2011, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Apr 18 2011, 05:57 PM)
ditto your kind
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sure thing, hellboy.
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post Apr 18 2011, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Apr 18 2011, 06:09 PM)
great, biatchieangel  brows.gif
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humans cant be angel doh.gif whistling.gif
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post Apr 18 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Apr 18 2011, 06:15 PM)
does everybody in heaven get a pair of wings?

really lazy wanna walk la
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you dont need wings rclxms.gif

Proton cars will ferry u around.
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post Apr 18 2011, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Kal-el @ Apr 18 2011, 06:21 PM)
i heard hell is where all the cool people hang out. is that true?
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Yep, very the true icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 18 2011, 06:31 PM

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Dalam nama Yesus Allah perkasa!



Yohanes 3:16
Karena begitu besar kasih Allah akan dunia ini, sehingga Ia telah mengaruniakan Anak-Nya yang tunggal, supaya setiap orang yang percaya kepada-Nya tidak binasa, melainkan beroleh hidup yang kekal.

Amin!
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post Apr 19 2011, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(Aoiota @ Apr 18 2011, 10:19 PM)
Yes I am Deadlocks.

But why are you resenting me? And I even admitted that I am Deadlocks at the thread you pointed out.

What else do you want from me?

The fact here was mumeichan was replying to my post, and she misunderstood me that I was trolling, when I was only stating a different idea of Hell.

How wrong is that to you?
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