About the church authority:
Protestants grant to individuals the authority to decided...what is true and what isn't, while denying it to the Church. This makes no sense. If Protestantism discounts the Church's binding authority because the Church is made of fallible, sinful men, then they have to discount every individual's interpretation, since each person is a fallible sinner, too


Please, forget that! No prob bro! It is because of history, that we became apart within Christ . Sola Scriptura...as much hate and as much

Supposed if Jesus returned to earth today, which church would He go to? RCC?, of course, replies the Catholic. No, a Protestant church, argues the Protestant.
I think he would begin as He did 2,000 years ago in a Jewish synagogue.

Done as it is.

Catholicism and Protestantism do not essentially define our identity, as Christ does.

If I should die and find out that Christ is not my Savior, I could not be me, I could not exist in such a world.

Christ is essential to my very self: “For me to live is Christ.” The Church is like my family: very close to me, loyal to the death.—but not my essence.

Saint Paul did not say: “For me to live is Catholicism.” He did not say: “I live, nevertheless not I but Protestantism lives in me.”

The only absolute certainty we have is Christ. The unity we already have in Christ includes doctrinal unity, for if we accept the teacher we also accept all his teachings, at least through Scripture.

None of the Catholic Church’s interpretations of or additions to Scripture is as important as the scriptural agreements between Protestants and Catholics.

OK bro Unknown Warrior, I want to share something:

Before this: I want to say that Christ loves us all, His miracles work and grace flows to whoever who believes in Him and decides to 'Follow Him'

I have heard of amazing exorcism stories of Pastors, healing etc of the Pros.

I would like to share one: of RCC exorcism.

At one period of time, I was really into exorcism. (now I am into Revelation)

Remember Book of Job Chapter 1?

It took me almost an hour to find back this touching article that I read some a year or two ago.
I cried profusely the first time I read it.
Today when I found it and read again, I cried again.

of Joy, really. For me.

For once, dear bro, Put aside skepticism of Priest, or whatever affiliated with the Church, anything extra-biblical, not explicitly wrote in Bible etc etc.

I would want (not recommend, but want) bro to read it and pls finish reading it. Sorry for taking your time.
Sharing a story: regardless of our differences. This is also what that brings me deeper to understand that, Mary is the greatest example of humility for a human being ever (apart from Christ as I said - full God full man) and Satan really hates our humility to the max

There was a guy, once, named Antoine Gay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Gay

He was possessed by a demon called Isacaron. As I am a medical student, I can safely tell you that cases of neurotic psychotic patients can be told the difference with possessed people (who demonstrates super strength, speaks foreign languages in a place, or in an env they never get exposed to. He was consulted by doctors too, I believe, before being sent to priest.

so the story is here: http://www.ewtn.com/library/NEWAGE/EVIDSATN.HTM

Bear in mind before you read:



I would not say I believe in extra-biblical things, but I would say whatever happens on earth, happened, and is to come, and that of call points to witness, all points to the grace of God and brings us deeper into the truth, .

and this one, I came about it during my trip to World Youth Day, Madrid 11 - where mostly youths of RCC, some protestants and atheists gather to closeness and union in Christ (This is really Heaven on Earth that I witnessed and experienced),
I received a 'Pilgrim's booklet, inside are gospel readings and accounts given personally by many theologians, as well as one of it, Father Gabriel Amorth, chief exorcist in Rome.

Father Gabriel Amorth, chief exorcist of the Vatican writes:



To become an exorcist, one must undergo extra rigorous training besides studying demonology specialist subjects etc, i.e Prayer 2x normal priest, Fasting 2x others in order to prep his mind mentally against whatever the demon might throw at the priest as Demon is akin to a chess King who reads 10 steps of your movements ahead of you, and bring up your hurtful, most hateful moments u had in life etc. Its really tough to be one.
There are also cases of RCC priests failed and become sad and neurotic. Cases where priests being tormented and in turn, sexually assaulted the girl who was possessed or became possessed?! *unsure really*

and do you know the most evil of all Demons is not the Lucifer, but his minions..
evil-doer fallen angels..Lucifer is just a boss really, a planner for bigger things

thats all for today

Bro, when I get home in summer, if you come to penang, remember to ring me up must have a good drink one day.

This post has been edited by Jedi: Dec 5 2012, 10:57 PM

'in these last days, for me there are more pressing matters on hand.'

Funny that today while I was thinking about our discussion in class, that came to my mind as well!
I was to write to you that, let us not focus on cat vs pro, but rather, on pressing matters like our country, how to lead others to faith, and Russia (If u can have a slot in mind, pls do)

That is why I said to you, Done as it is. I decided not to bring up whatsoever at all.

Bro, dont tackle Catholic. That is not God's will. Be mindful and discern which is the good, which are not. Even for me I have no desire to bring down the pros just bec of some differences. Because why? through all these, God's grace and miracles are still flowing and working, and if so, you might unknowingly doing blasphemy against Christ Himself - the Church.

But of course, you can pray for the leaders of RCCs, we are all humans afterall.

Mai kong liao, (dont mention d). Pray for Palestinian Conflict, those going through persecutions around the world, those facing sadness, in afflictions, temptations, emptiness..

Good night



This post has been edited by Jedi: Dec 6 2012, 01:32 AM

and I fervently hope that you please read what I found, instead of rebuking it because of 'cheh, rcc thinks only priest has ability to do this and that'

Casting out demons are not as easy as you think, even though we all have the rights.

alright, nights for now.

Dont discuss it anymore. I rather listen to your sermons