Each user have their own unique issue; and that's why C30 is a mystery.

This post has been edited by Agnaem: Apr 26 2011, 01:14 AM

Allowing me to use BBE, but suddenly changing to some other EQ setting every time track changes plus a HUGE increase in volume without any change in the display and yet it is not a bug? What would you call it then?

As for my standpoint on what BBE is, I believe it's more of an equalizer or effects, rather than a restoration of a lossy to lossless. My reason is simply because if BBE supposedly restores a lossy format to more of a lossless, then an mp3 used with BBE should sound more like a FLAC, not more unlike.

Exactly.

Let's look at the this post below.
My text that you quoted may be the only one exactly like that, but beed talked about the same thing, and you agreed.

Yeah, sonic restoration may be of anything, and I find your 'conspiracy theory' on BBE quite interesting. (Techie + musician thing).. Btw, I think I've made it clear that I don't agree BBE makes a lossy more of a lossless.

All this time I've been talking about the sound. Not about the compression/format itself. 'Less of a lossy and more of lossless' is in term of sound. After all the only effect of BBE that I'm able to notice is sound. Sorry I didn't make it clear on that before and just to say it again, it's the song/sound that comes from the formats that's in this discussion, and it has been all along.

mimic means copy. You're saying BBE allows mp3 to mimic FLAC. Literally that means mp3 copies the sound of FLAC. In other words, literally you're saying that BBE does makes mp3 to FLAC; and of course in terms of sound.

On the other hand, I down-tuned the word 'mimic' to an imperfect copy, hence your sentence would mean BBE makes the sound of a lossy file more of a lossless and less of a lossy. In shorter form:
mp3 copy sound of FLAC = mp3 having the same sound as FLAC
mp3 makes an imprefect copy of FLAC = mp3 having the sound somewhat better than regular mp3, but lesser than FLAC.

That concludes what I understand from your sentence.

Anyway, I've been saying, just how does the sound of mp3 + BBE mimics the sound of FLAC, when the same song in mp3 and FLAC sounds very similar to the point that a lot can't distinguish between the two, but BBE turns the song into something else, regardless of the format. Which leads to why I think BBE is just a manipulation in sound via equalizer/effects/anything else exists in the world of sound manipulation. No more, no less. It has nothing to do with mp3 being a lossy compression so BBE can work on it, and FLAC, being a lossless compression hence BBE can't work on it. It's a sound manipulation, thereby can work on both formats.


Your explanation doesn't go against what I said at all. As I used 'equalizer or effects', it can be either, it can be both. Though what I had in mind is something of both.
Anyway, I agree with what you said in this quote.

Btw, the bold part is the only thing I think of BBE. It may be more, but at least I'm in doubt it involves anything of restoring, let alone anything to do with mimicking sound from a lossless format.

Here's a side note. Sound played is from what's encoded in the file. If digitally there's nothing to be restored, hence sonically there's nothing to restore as well, cause that's where the sound comes from. Yet another reason why I don't think BBE is anything of a restoration.


In my case, if BBE is turned on prior to playing a FLAC file, the BBE will still remain on the display, but I know BBE is turned off as soon as the FLAC track plays. In the EQ list, other than regular EQs like Normal, Rock, user, etc only the plain BBE remains, others like VIVA is lost.

Just to confirm, not even a single BBE remains in your EQ list? I'm not talking about the one in Settings -> BBE Setting, but the one when you long press the 'A|B' button.

P/S: My BBE Setting menu is disabled as well when playing FLACs. By that, I mean only USER1-3 and Shutdown BBE remains. I can still use BBE from the EQ list i.e. long pressing 'A|B' button.

This post has been edited by Agnaem: Apr 29 2011, 11:54 PM

I would say it doesn't need any external amp, but the box+ may be used if you like it's sound sig. E.g., I at times use C30+E3 with 668B, because I like the extra bass that the E3 gives..

Max 32GB. Can't help you on the lag, as I'm not using any microSD on my C30 yet nor do I plan to exceed 16GB..

Firmware for the C30 can be found at their official page. I'll give you the link to the said page.
- v007.020 here
- v007.021 here

Also, the default firmware is v007.020. While .021 is newer, the only person that I know to have used it said that it doesn't have extra BBE presets i.e. VIVA, MP etc.

Never flashed my C30 before, so can't help you with the installation part...

EDIT: Just downloaded the firmware. From the given software, it looks like it's as simple as plug-in the C30, run the software & flash the device..

This post has been edited by Agnaem: May 8 2011, 10:57 PM

You probably have tried this, but just to be sure, does pushing the reset button do any good?

p/s: Just a reminder, only something with the size of a paper clip can properly click the reset button. Pen tips can't.

Google results are no good; ran out of idea..

Hoping that more experienced Gummy/C30/N2 users could help. Final resort, warranty claim?

After reading through a thread named Nationite N2 - tips, tricks and how to use UPDATED 28th FEB, it's said that the latest N2 firmware is the same as C30's.

Also, I found this: Nationite N2 Firmware restore guide; A guide from mp4nation on flashing an N2. Perhaps with this you can try flashing your C30 with the given, proper steps.

Thanks for sharing!

Also, I've read somewhere that says when .020 is ejected from windows, it'll show the USB connected screen as usual, but with .021, whenever it's ejected, it'll leave the USB connection mode and enters charging mode. Difference is, you can use the C30 while in charge mode unlike the USB connection mode..

It'll be great if you would confirm it.

This post has been edited by Agnaem: May 12 2011, 10:23 PM

I see.. Btw, yeah I did. Thanks!

@wongpeter
Just to be sure, you mean yours always gets to charge mode after being ejected? Nice. Which version of windows are you using?

It is somewhere in the mp4nation's N2 tips & tricks thread that I mentioned earlier. IIRC, someone said that latest N2 and C30 firmware's allows the charge mode after being ejected, hinting that previous doesn't. Though, IIRC, what I get from the same thread is that with older firmware, some say it works, some say it's not..

My C30 with .020 never went to charge mode after a safe removal btw. Not that it actually matters.

AFAIK, no. Only by folder. CMIIW..

Too bad we don't have around 40 owners posting here.

Anyway, I just flashed my C30 with .021 w/o formatting the data area nor a full media erase. I still have all BBE presets, and safely remove the C30 still doesn't bring it to charge mode. Will post here if there's anything new.

IINM, 16-bit and not overly compressed is the max on C30. Not sure about the limit of sample rate..

Thanks for clarification on compression part.

Personally, I can only use up to 48KHz on my C30. For those interested in knowing how I come up with a 48KHz as limit, read the noob test that I did a couple minutes ago. It's in the spoiler.

Been using it for 4 mnths now and there's no such stain. All buttons are still as good as new too.

U're the first user from lyn I guess.

AFAIK C60 can't use microSD; and that's what keeping me away from it..

That used to happen to me from time to time, but shutting it down always works for me. Which is why when I saw this:
I went
By default mine was set to 5mins; guess that's why mine is ok.

P/s: I wanna take this opportunity to say that my unit haven't hang for almost 2 months now. This happens ever since I used less than 2GB of my internal memory as opposed to around 3GB during the often hanged period.

Some user reports that less than 3GB of used space is good enough to prevent hangs. I exceeded the 3GB mark just by 100~200MB IINM, already hangs quite often.

I haven't use the internal ever since I got my microSD though.