He's a f***ing mole planted there by microsoft. What a prick, WP7 is not going to take them anywhere

Wrong move.. Should have choose Android.

Well what to do, the current new boss was ex-microsoft...so he choose to alliance wth his own ex-boss.

Wouldn't making a WP7 make Nokia even more of an 'another hardware maker'? WP7 offers no variation in terms of specs with its strict tech requirements. Look at all the WP7 phones out there. I can't tell the difference, other than one with AMOLED, one with physical keyboard. That's about it.

So in choosing WP7, it's more of choosing brand than choosing specs. You like a HTC WP7? Get the HD7! (Yeah I know mozart and the other one. Frankly I don't see the significant difference). Want a Samsung? Get the Omnia 7! Want an LG? Get the Optimus 7! What's the main difference between all these WP7 phones? You get the point.

There's no 'in between' in WP7. There is one WP7. It's sorta like making iPhones, but by many manufacturers. Same experience, everytime, in every one.

That's a major shift for Microsoft, who forbade HTC from skinning Windows Phone 7 with Sense, something the Taiwanese company would surely have loved to do, and limited it to the introduction of a self-contained Hub. Now Nokia's saying it -- perhaps exclusively -- has been given the liberty to play around inside WP7 to its heart's content

If Microsoft really did allowed that (coz Elop backtracked saying they won't tinker too much, probably coz he probably said it without consulting Balmer first), HTC and other manufacturers will be looking for similar privileges too, or else WP7 on these brands will be a one-off, and WP7 will be left to one brand. And depends on how it develops, will either be a Nokia-Symbian kind of domination in the 2005 era, or WP7 will fizzle out and make MS decide to close down it's mobile OS division.

HTC once said they're allowed to customise WP7 too. In the end all they had was a HTC Hub. Yay?

MS won't let WP7 die, but WP7 will die on it's own if this trend of not-interesting-ness of WP7 continues.

Wouldn't talk about XBOX coz I'm a non-gamer. But AFAIK XBOX was a success, but only because of Halo.

I'm ex-WM user-lor..And I hate that platform long time ago..WP7 although i hv not used it b4 but from the Youtube clip, the iu dun looks good and I stil prefer S^3 in N8.

Furthermore, I heard WP7 having connectivity problem similar to Ios i.e you can't BT file trf, can't connect via USB & copy & paste proble. On current S^#, trf of files via BT are superb & even you can opy & paste whatever files via USB  and even a thumbdrive. I dun think any other platforms having these right now...Well..hopefully Nokia on WP7 in future

Nokia is definitely going downhill.

It makes sense that their next route would be MS WP7 which centers around the Indian software community and Nokia users are mostly Indians.

If you look at Windows Phone Ads the front screen shows an Indian photo album!


While Android development community is more Chinese oriented. Google Android Lab is based in Taipei.
Google establishes Android team in Taiwan
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10194652-94.html

What I'm saying is the HTC Hub is the most HTC can 'customise' their version of WP7. You also said HTC was apparently allowed to 'customise' and all they get to do was add HTC Hub. The 'yay' was an awkward celebration for the existence of an apparent ability to customise WP7 by manufacturers.

One bad things on Symbian currently & in the past is slow boot-up time, Not so good multi-touch comparing wth ifon, and also the worst Internet browser  compare wth others..

Hopefully wth WP7, they can posper more and solve those mysteries..Their superb ovimaps covering almsot everywhere in the world, superb GPS chipset & the superb camera are Nokia good point during Symbian era...

Read the bolded part
In July 2010 HTC said the same about them being given the green light to 'customise'. HTC Hub was all they can do.

http://www.biggtech.com/mobile/htc-will-cu...sense_2308.html

What link are you talking about?

at the moment & long term future, joining forces of 2 titans nokia and windows mobile represent de greatest threat to android.
in a few years once their partnership is established, high-end smartphone market will be dominated by apple wt IOS and nokia with Windows phone.

android is like a headless chicken, initially going fast & everywhere but very soon will die easily.
simply bcoz de android marketplace is too lousy.

Google made so much money from else where they can buy companies and put their products up for free, and in the process make even more money.

What my previous post was saying is Nokia probably made the same slip of tongue about customisability. And in what article did you read that Microsoft hated the other WP7 manufacturers? Do you know what consequence that would lead to in terms of partnership opportunity? Or you just made that up?

lol you're putting your hopes too much in the future, while the a lot of us are looking at the track record. I have presented what I came to present. Have fun hoping for that copy and paste feature on the Nokia WP7.

I'll believe a WP7 Nokia phone will be a success only when it happens. I have too many doubts about that coming true now.
Reasons:
- WP7 is still immature, missing a lot of features (e.g. copy and paste, multi-tasking) that exist in iOS and Android.
- Nokia has said they'll need time to make a WP7 phone. I expect earliest you can see one at the end of this year. But that time Android would be entrenched even further with more high end phones and Ice Cream Sandwich released.

Now is still too early to argue about the impact of Nokia WP7 in the future. Let Nokia comes out a WP7 phone first.

IMO, Vic Gundotra might be wrong about "two turkeys do not make an eagle". If Nokia WP7 is successful, Nokia will be the turkey, and MS is the eagle dining the turkey.

multitask
system-wide file manager
Bluetooth file transfers
USB mass storage mode
Running apps switcher
Custom ringtones
No copy/paste
GPS + Turn By Turn + Integration with ovi maps
HTML5
Flash and Silverlight support in the web browser
Record calls & sounds
Video Calling
VoIP Calling
music player equalisers
multi sensor
search in contact

'by end of 2011'. When that time comes, I doubt if Nokia's shares are still worth any money. And Android phones will be breathing fire by that time.

Fragmentation will not be a problem for WP7 (lol I dun remember anyone saying WP7 has that issue). The problem with WP7 is VARIETY. Making one device is not what Nokia needed to bounce back. Nokia will lose it's budget range smartphone sector.

Seeing as how Nokia failed to enter the netbook market with its Booklet 3G (remember this guy?), Nokia cannot afford another failed venture.

Nokia is not going to do that, symbian is weak, and Android is too common from different manufacturers. Since Nokia is left behind from other manufacturers in term of RnD and experience in Android. Furthermore, even in the same platform Android, Nokia is very hard to compete with its competitors, they can only compete in term of hardware features. This will cost Nokia a lot $$$ in order to gain the crown.
Besides that, I think Nokia is focusing on quality rather than quantity. if too many platforms for nokia to develop, it will cost Nokia a lot $ and the quality is still unknown. But I believe Nokia will still continue Symbian for mid and low end market.

WP7 is good choice for nokia.
why?
it is rare, motorola and SE don't even have a wp7 concept device. HTC LG and Samsung have it but the number of models is still limited. It means that there is still a chance for Nokia to compete with others in this platform.
the new wp7 provides smoother interface than Android. The limited features we knows such as copy and paste soon will be released too.
The update is controlled by M$ and hence you can get update directly from M$. I can see that M$ is also focusing on the wp7 quality. They are slowly releasing good quality features through update rather than throwing you a bunch of buggy features.

a) really? even those aunties and uncles who know nothing about the OS they're using? XD my gf's dad is using Xperia X10 mini pro...and he knows nothing about the OS...he just said, "WOW it's SOOO FAST!!! COMPARED TO SO MANY PHONES I'VE USED IN MY LIFE in 20 years!!!"

b) this i agree with you, symbian is usable, but it's outdated, especially its interface, they shud get on with it...

c) i'm a Microsoft hater but a Nokia lover, so errr......i hate Microsoft for their dirty business tactics, how they say Linux is inferior to M$ software when their software itself is flawed, and how they treat Linux users...i love Linux but I did not hate Microsoft, until i got deeper into the Linux world and learned about how Microsoft treated Linux...but funny, when it comes to hardware, i don't mind at all...i'm using a M$ mouse, and i dream of getting an Arc Mouse...so err?

and what do you mean lousy handphone maker?

- Samsung makes lousy handphones?
- Sony Ericsson makes lousy handphones?
- LG makes lousy handphones?
- Motorola makes lousy handphones?
- HTC makes lousy handphones?

so everybody makes lousy handphones except Nokia?

or you're saying that lousy handphone makers use android in their phones too? like those cheap shanzai phones from china, which many are utilizing android as their main OS instead of MTK because android is free and can be customized easily to their needs?

Just so that you know, the number of these shanzai handphone makers don't represent the majority of handphone makers....they don't represent quality handphone makers...

So what do you call people who love Microsoft and refuse to know and learn the truth behind things? Microfag? Smallfag? Picofag? Femtofag?

soon, somebody might just say, Microkiafag butthurt coz even after Microkia marriage happened and rolled out their awesome product running WP7 and hardware from Nokia they still fail to get even a significant % of market share.

So, you buy phones only for GPS and camera? Then why get a phone at all?

Yes as the future unfolds we will all see.

Seems like you don't know anything, as though your knowledge is built upon advertisements and other marketing ads. That's why you can so casually laugh at the matter

@randytsx, no point entertaining him. You've done your best to present your points. Better save your energy for better cause. gogo2 is an obvious fanboy who doesn't understand the severity of a failed venture to Nokia at this moment. When he sees the light he will understand.

While i am a Nokia user as well and i like it, i also think gogo2 is a little bit too 'far" about it.

gogo2,

  I also like Nokia as well and reluctant to toss it for any brand yet, but try keep this to yourself. Hardly anyone is appreciating your effort as well. Just spend your time in more meaningful post if you are addicted to LYN like me, especially in the cupid corner or kopitiam. 

It's tiresome trying to explain facts to somebody who refuse to understand....First, are you even tech-savvy? Do you even know anything about what you're talking about? How much knowledge of computers and IT that you know? Why don't you go into the Android and Linux world and learn more about them first. No offense, but you're making yourself look more and more dumb and irrelevant with every post here... and also in the other threads that you posted your replies... I think it's best that you stop. If you are urged to reply, Google for more info first, and learn not only about WP7 / iOS or anything that only you are in favour of, but also things that you don't like because of ignorance, like Android, or even Linux.

You look like you're getting paid by Microsoft or Nokia to post here. Well, maybe you're doing this for the money...but if that's the case... ah well... sigh...