gogo2, I said the 'severity of a failed venture'. I did not say that the venture is a failed one.

Most of us who voiced our disappointment over Nokia choosing WP7 is because we see the adoption level of WP7 by USERS, which is disappointing to say the least. If this trend continues, the venture will fail to yield, which means Nokia going down.

Yes I butthurt coz Nokia did not choose android, or else Android will have good hardware. But even without Nokia, Android as a whole has been creeping up Nokia's @$$.

We're talking about brand survival here, and Android obviously offers a much better expansion and survival package. HTC will survive w/o WP7, so does Samsung, LG or Dell, because they all have Android.

But Nokia WILL, since they are all into this venture (like gamble 'Sai Lang'. Go watch God of Gamble if you dunno wat it means). If it fails, Nokia will be off the smartphone world. I don't even know the other possibility is because the chances of Nokia going #1 with WP7 is very very bleak.

If I continue to argue, the thread will get more and more irrelevant. Because you don't understand, and you refuse to understand, I need to go through a very complicated process, but even that doesn't guarantee that you'll learn.

First, I need to Google for links to all the websites that talk about Free & Open Source software, the concept of software freedom, then Linux, itself has many many different distros serving many many purposes, each distro with countless documents, tutorials and guides, before that you need to learn programming and scripting, which, consist of many many different languages, then talk about the various processors a particular Linux distro could run on, then before you could understand everything, you need to learn about mobile processors, then mobile platforms, what a mobile OS should be like, before you come to specific mobile OSes like WP7, iOS and Android.

And that's not all yet. *gasp*

So, you still insist that I continue to debate with you? That's why I told you, go learn before you say anything. Don't talk so much but all are pointless and makes you look like you don't know anything (which is, true?).

^WTH? You only started to read after I posted that? Or I did not make my point about 'brand survival' much more clearer in my previous posts?

I've been talking about brand survival since the start of the discussion. I would appreciate it more if you would've understood everything me and randy said in earlier posts.

Because you're insulting Android without knowing anything. Do you know Android uses a modified Linux kernel? Do you know what's Linux?

PLEASE MOTHERf***ING LEARN ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU DON'T KNOW BEFORE POSTING.

Yes, open source is the best. Do you know what OSes or platforms most websites are hosted on?

EDIT: I feel bad for TS, sorry.  gogo2 if you want to continue the debate, open a new thread and we can play there.

I bet, you supported oracle...but that has nothing to do with Linux....-.-

   

gogo2, my advice go learn about the thing you want to bash about first. Experience it first hand IMO.

But still due to the lack of WP7 adoption. it's probably a NoWin (pun intended) for Nokia and Microsoft.

gogo2, I said the 'severity of a failed venture'. I did not say that the venture is a failed one.

Most of us who voiced our disappointment over Nokia choosing WP7 is because we see the adoption level of WP7 by USERS, which is disappointing to say the least. If this trend continues, the venture will fail to yield, which means Nokia going down.

Yes I butthurt coz Nokia did not choose android, or else Android will have good hardware. But even without Nokia, Android as a whole has been creeping up Nokia's @$$.

We're talking about brand survival here, and Android obviously offers a much better expansion and survival package. HTC will survive w/o WP7, so does Samsung, LG or Dell, because they all have Android.

But Nokia WILL, since they are all into this venture (like gamble 'Sai Lang'. Go watch God of Gamble if you dunno wat it means). If it fails, Nokia will be off the smartphone world. I don't even know what the other possibility is because the chances of Nokia going #1 with WP7 is very very bleak. Stock prices don't stay there constant to wait for the release of Nokia WP7.

plan A:nokia+android plan B:nokia+microsoft what about plan C or even plan D?
plan A is definitely not a smart move coz there are plenty of player in the market.plan B,yeah,nokia probably will dominant the pizza(WP7) market but look at 10 devices launched at past few months ago,total 2million sales.its even lower than a single phone powered by symbian 3,N8.
y not plan C?since symbian is very mature OS,why not continue their investment by modifying it to be more user friendly,fix some bugs and it just need a little bit improvement.symbian major problem is UI.their UI is very not user friendly compared to android,iOS and WP7.second problem,default browser,nokia/symbian have noticed the problem of browser and they promise will launch an update on the future for new browser.
look at symbian pros and cons compared to the other OS.(i point out the major factor only)
Pros
1.bluetooth is easiest to use
2.Ovi Maps and Garmin support which is the best gps software
3.plug and play,connect to pc,laptop,other electronic device is easy,fast and no need any software to sync(i feel annoying when i use sgs,iphone)

Cons
1.lousy UI which is not suitable for finger use.very not user friendly
2.internet browser is problematic,old,not user friendly as well.browser crash always happen
3.a lot of bugs waiting to fix..

so now they are adopting WP7 and abandoning symbian 3?such a giant like Nokia never keep their word?updates?besides that,i don't understand y they burning so much money in investing symbian,meego,qt in the past and now they just abandoned it by switching to another platform.it doesn't make sense.

Perhaps Nokia can create phones that can triple boot - Symbian,Android and WP7. 

I know this is impossible  , however I think sales going to be good if able to do so.

i dont think microsoft will allow nokia modify their os so much to be nokia alike phone..since microsoft so strict to wp7.

We're just skeptical of the degree of changes that nokia is allowed to make on WP7.

As we all saw on HTC's line of WP7, the did not Sense the thing up. (Like they did with everything else.)



So yeah, that's my concern right there.

ok.final product not yet release and we have no point to argue bout it.
what about their promises to symbian user?such a giant company keep cheating their customer and their promise never come true.

We'll see how that goes. 

MeeGo ain't a buring platform mang!!! Symbian is!!! 

It's just "slow" as Elop said.

@gogo2,  lol everything they do now is justifiable to you. Like literally, every action. Even what you call 'androidfags' also got tons of dissatisfaction towards Android and Google, but obviously reasonable ones.

proven microfag.
RUN!

*ninja out*

Meego is kind of good. I've tried it on my netbook before.

It lacked apps though. So few you can count them with your fingers.Other than that if it picks up with speed, fluidity and had more apps on the same level as Android/iOS it could be a good challenger.

Since when Nokia is owning half of WP7?
It was only Nokia's exclusivity to Symbian with very few other brands using Symbian that made them distinctive.
Going with WP7 doesn't make them this way. LG, HTC, Acer, Dell compete directly with them. In fact there are some other brands such as HTC which makes phone with higher built quality than Nokia when it comes to speaker phone quality, screens & etc.

WP 7 is strictly metro UI only, they don allow ANY customized UI from manufacturers... why u think HTC's WP7 doesnt have Sens UI in it?

Not in the case of Nokia apparently, as Elop has confirmed that the agreement between the two isn't your standard OEM agreement, with technologies going both ways. To be honest too, Microsoft don't really care of Nokia be given leeway to customize the OS, mainly because Nokia has clearly stated that Wp7 is the primary OS, and they won't be dabbling with Android.

From my reading of the releases a few days, Nokia did talk to Google, but there were several things Nokia didn't like.

1. Giving up control - Google allows you to customize everything, but as many have noticed, they want control over the more important bits, like location services (Google Maps, Location Sensing).

2. Opposition from telco companies - right now, it's either android or iOS. They would really like Wp7 to be an alternative (or more of a hammer to make sure Google and Apple understand that they have alternatives and can't be pushed around)

3. Differentiation - Heck, become another faceless android os phone?

Wait. I don't get it. Everyone says variation is a problem in Android. For all I know Android offers the most variation possible to a phone manufacturer. It is WP7 that is faceless. Not one WP7 phone out there is significantly different from the other.

Seriously, someone explain that to me. I genuinely ask for someone to explain how Android is bland and monotonous versus how WP7 is offering more variation possibilities to manufacturers.

Please no fanboy replies. Sensible, reasonable, technical replies are most welcomed.

For all I know, make one good Android and you'll hit gold. Galaxy S selling 10 million units worldwide is a pretty huge statement.

True that, as a former symbian user, I find that Android cater it's users with the same former functionalities as a Symbian phone does.  

You do realise HTC HD7 was available on the market (ours at least) loong before the Desire HD? What's up with nobody actively promoting WP7?

And you can choose to sync your data with Google or not in Androids. LOLLLLL got use the phone before?

Sry all I'm rushing for class. I apologise if my replies sound half-baked, coz they are. Hope I made my point.

You know what you are talking or not? Android is totally customizable....it is the WP7 that looks like clone coming out from the same Shenzen factories!!! But i can understand why Nokia don't want to go with Android....Google has control of whole eco system....they control browser, maps service, location service, satellite service, and everything else you can think of.....in short they control the internet.

MS on the other hand does not have a dominating ecosystem like Google, they only control the OS....their search engine and other services is not up to mark yet and Nokia already have invested lots in a pretty mature OVI maps.

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Added on February 14, 2011, 9:41 am

Yep, another point which why Android will dominate the market. Do not look down on the low-end market...it is the low-end market that makes Nokia still the No. 1 handphone seller in the world today...while their high-end and mid-end have all been busted by Apple and Android....their emerging market in third world countries that continues to give them the cash. But soon, this will change coz China and India are coming out with cheap hp for these markets...no way Nokia can be cheaper than them.

There are many evidence Android is already do respectively in the mid-end market....and companies in India making cheap Android phones (like the CSL rebadged models). Soon, even the lowest end of the cheap phones will be running on Android with a huge market place with tons of FREE apps, which will attract the low-end market even more. Who cares if half of these apps are crap. As long as it's free, it'll be a strong attractions for emerging markets.

Erm, who is your English teacher by the way? Which English school ever thought that way TOO LONG is actually JUST before?
The quote above did NOT mean the way you are currently explaining, seriously. Is that your fault or mine?
Here is where your English fails miserably, AGAIN. I never mention anything about PROMOTION.

YOU SAID that WP7 phones don't have significant difference and I REPLIED with "but if you are comparing 15 WP7 phones in total (and mostly from the same maker), you can't expect a significant difference YET. It is still early."

How the HECK did PROMOTION came into the picture? Brother, you drunk ar? 
No point telling. You still won't realise because you don't understand English. Otherwise you would have realised by now.
Haha, you are a big joker lar bro. As if now you are a PhD holder from Cambridge University and you have to come "down" to my level 

lol this thread has fallen way out of topic...

Unfortunately for Android fans, it'll be quite doubtful to see Android on Nokia hardware anytime soon.

lol even now you don't understand. When did I ever PREDICTED Nokia+WP7's future? It is you Androidfags who are saying that Nokia will NOT succeed JUST BECAUSE they did not use Android.

When somebody says something good about Nokia + WP7, you Androidfags couldn't accept it and either :
1) start attacking the person or;
2) call the person MicroKia fag and asking for someone else to give a more constructive opinion, which I am sure that you are still not going to accept.

That is when I came in to say why is Nokia + WP7 better than Nokia + Android. Immediately, one bugger said my analogy is wrong and replied that Nokia will not succeed like Shakeys pizza. I asked him the reason and he kept quiet. That is what you call constructive?

Others said my reason was not acceptable but nobody is saying why. All going back to square one, saying that Android is God sent, has the most users, high end and low end, bla bla bla. Was that constructive?
I am already very active in Android forum (but I am not an Androidfag). I don't need to be welcomed again.

I hope that those who bash Nokia+WP7 stop using your emotions to think. It doesn't work that way. There is something which is called the brain and it does the thinking job much much better than your emotions.

Yes, why all the hurt from Android fans whichever way Nokia goes. The thing that a lot of people missed is the fact that Nokia is doing what Nokia thinks it's best for Nokia. And going android wasn't in their opinion in the best interest of Nokia.

But then again, it's the norm for anyone supporting open source acting like juvenile jerks. I mean, in discussing Nokia, Microsoft, Symbian and WP7, why does the Android contigent need to come here and make noise because Nokia didn't go the Android route. Not just that, hoping the partnership would fail?

Symbian supporters have every right to question the move, because they are the most affected ones concerning this decision. But whatever Nokia chooses doesn't really affect Android as it is right now. Heck, you have HTC, Samsung, LG, a bunch of Chinese OEM, Toshiba, Acer, a bunch of Chinese Tablet OEM, CSL, Spice, a bunch of Indian Operater, Google, etc etc that is producing Android phones. You still want Nokia? Why? So Google can know the exact moment and exact time you pick your nose, and try and sell you a nose picker? What? You didn't know that there's no such thing as free?

Everyone in the open source world hated the fact that Microsoft still rules the OS world, despite all their attempts otherwise. Problem is, they are not coming up with a decent alternative to Windows. They had a chance with all the Vista brouhaha, but they didn't even manage to take advantage of that. Why?

Over sized Ego, and a Self-Serving Ethnocentric view. To them, Nokia not using Android, is an Affront to the Best Operating System for Mobile there is, and should be dealt by putting the other platform down as often and as frequent as they can. Never mind the weaknesses of Android, whoever points that out is a Traitor to the movement.

Take it in that context next time an Android fan comes here and start spouting the Android gospel.

Competition is good.