Too early to predict.

Link was "old news"

Later after that, Nokia has indicated on how will the support be, which is almost no support, especially for Symbian.

Nokia + WP7 is a good combination. It is a good move. Whether it will succeed or not is another story. I am unable to predict the future.

But I have a simple logic on why Nokia + WP7 is better compared to Nokia + Android.

Scenario : Burger stall (Android) and Pizza outlet (WP7) in town A

There are about 50 burger stalls in town A and no Pizza outlet at all. And if I am Nokia, does it make sense for me to open the 51st burger stall? Well, my burger will taste good because I have my secret recipe (good camera etc). It will definitely sell well but I still share my profit pie with other burger stall.

Although my burger is the best, if I don't open my stall tomorrow, I lose business. My profit pie will be snatched by others. (this refers to regular updates etc)

If I open a Pizza outlet, I will be the 1st person. Well, my pizza will not outsell burgers as burgers are more popular. But hey, I am the only one selling pizza, and there are enough people who likes it (although not as much as burger lovers). I don't need to share my profit pie. I still make money. I will come up with new recipe and will try my level best to promote my pizza so that more people leave burger for pizza.

Tomorrow if I decide to close shop for a day, I don't need to worry of losing my business (this refers to irregular updates etc)

I know that if my pizza business is good, there will be more people who opens pizza outlet. Before that happens, I can either patent it (get exclusivity) and franchise it or; I can let new players to come in because my pizza business is already established. When pizza is mentioned, everyone will remember my outlet.

Now, to those who feels, "why not both burger and pizza at the same time?" I don't have enough resources. I rather concentrate on one thing and do it well rather than stepping in everywhere and be average everywhere.

Plan C is down trending. No business will continue selling something which is not going to sell. No business is going to spend on R&D for something which is not going sell. Things like OVI, plug and play etc will eventually be transferred to WP7. Don't you think so?

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Added on February 13, 2011, 1:25 pmPizza is already formulated by Microsoft. Perfection doesn't exist in this business. Recipe is already there, so R&D is minimum. Shareholders will also leave if sushi doesn't do well. The difference is whether now or in next few months.

Other stores concentrate more on burger compared to pizza. People are bored eating the same pizzas in those shops (same old model, all same "recipe"). They don't give feedback that pizzas are NOT SELLING WELL. They are just saying that burgers sell more than pizzas; and they continue selling more burger. Share holders lari or not, it depends on how the pizza sells. Like mentioned above, pizza still sells but just not as many as burgers.

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Added on February 13, 2011, 1:29 pmExplain why. You don't have a reason to say that Nokia will end up like shakeys pizza unless :
1) you have a good reason which supersedes my reasoning.
2) you can predict future.

p/s : I see that Shakeys pizza is doing good too

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Added on February 13, 2011, 1:31 pmThey have to gamble, for the reasons I've mentioned above in my scenario. Business is all about trying out something new to succeed. It may fail but if it did not? Imagine where will it be then

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 13 2011, 01:44 PM

Everyone? You sure? Probably you have forgotten the word 'some'....or let's take it as 'most' (to satisfy you). By saying 'everyone' it is obviously a generalisation.

FOR NOW, there is no significant difference between one WP7 phone and another, but HOW MANY WP7 phones are out there for you to compare and conclude?

There is a difference, but it is not significant. I agree, but if you are comparing 15 WP7 phones in total (and mostly from the same maker), you can't expect a significant difference YET. It is still early.

If we take a sample of 15 high end Android phones e.g. from HTC, they too don't have any significant difference (unless you root it, or launcherpro etc). Hardware wise, the difference is NOT SIGNIFICANT.




I never said anything about it, so I don't have comments. Android is definitely not a dull and monotonous (at least for me).

The reason for me to compare such way is because the 1st 15 Android phones were neither cheap. They were high end phones too. The lower end phones just came into the market.

Even most of the low end Android phones in the market today are crappy ones which can't fully make use of the OS (mainly due to screen resolution). Android has its minimum requirement too e.g. a min screen resolution but they don't implement a restriction which I don't understand why. Are they going for quantity and not quality? Looks like it.

Most of the low end Android phones that I've used were nightmares after switching from some decent Android models. Even now, the cheapest Android phone with decent screen resolution will be the HTC Aria which is nearly RM1500.

I believe WP7 @ Microsoft don't want to sacrifice the quality for the sake of quantity and that is why they have restriction (and that MAY change too in the near future).

Even if Nokia comes up with low end WP7 phones, it will cause another problem as they will kill their own lower end S30/S40 models. Those OS are less buggy / stable compared to Symbian and having a good sale worldwide too.



Time frame from the launch of Desire HD and HTC HD7 was less than a month. Was that way toooooo long for you? And I don't see anyone actively promoting HTC Desire HD either.

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 14 2011, 11:38 AM

@ DJFoo000. I see that you statements contradict with each other.

Your earlier statement was :


Your next statement was :


Earlier, you are the one who said that HD7 is not being actively promoted. Later, you said that more promo was done for HD7. So whazzup?

You also mentioned the following :



So the someone that you said is yourself right? So you actually realised that you are contradicting with your very own points.



Well, it is easy to say but unfortunately human nature works this way :-
1) they want Kancil price for Gallardo.
2) they know that they can't buy Gallardo at Kancil price
3) they get settled with Kancil
4) they compare Kancil with Gallardo and then say Kancil sucks

Ok, that was out of topic. Now......Kancil and Gallardo is not the same. Kancil is KANCIL and Gallardo is GALLARDO. Android just doesn't fit into your example.

Let me give an example. Perodua makes Viva Elite EZi and sell for RM45000. It is a full spec Viva.

At the same time Perodua also makes Viva 660 BX which doesn't have air-cond, radio etc. It is being sold for RM25000.

Hey, anyone can do this shit. So what is so special with that? It is not that a company CAN'T do it but it is a matter of whether the company WANTS to do it or not.



Who is THIS SOMEONE? Also you? Well, I am just curious because that's what happened above.

Anyway, nothing wrong with that statement. Nokia CAN do Gallardo (WP7) and they can also do Kancil (Series 40). Do you know that they can even do bicycle? (Series 20).

Why would Nokia want to take out aircond, radio, music compartment from a Gallardo and sell it at Kancil's price? As mentioned above, they already have Kancil and they don't need to sell their Gallardo at Kancil's price. So............I don't see any stupidity there

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 14 2011, 09:49 PM

Of course I read. Just because you don't know English (I assume because you deny your own statement now), I can't help much. Probably you can help your self by staying away instead of arguing just for the sake of "jaga muka".

Probably you want to read all YOUR posts again and if you still don't understand what you have said, probably you need a translator .

Even now you are not explaining your context and coming up with new things which is nowhere related to phones such as UMNO. I've quoted your statements properly. It is you who don't understand on what are you saying here in the 1st place.

Don't worry. I will not call you a faggot because the word is not enough to describe you. I've SHOWN that you contradict. You are just SAYING that I am contradicting. Those who can't agree with your bullshit are contradicting to you? Come on, get a life.

Alright, S20 and S40 is Nokia proprietary thing and it is not a smartphone which I am not bothered about because I've already explained on why WP7 may not need low end phones at this point of time.



Well, I don't remember saying anything AGAINST Nokia being leading seller in low segment phones . So why are you mentioning this NOW to me?



Phrase corrected. Thank you

Erm, who is your English teacher by the way? Which English school ever thought that way TOO LONG is actually JUST before?



The quote above did NOT mean the way you are currently explaining, seriously. Is that your fault or mine?




Here is where your English fails miserably, AGAIN. I never mention anything about PROMOTION.

YOU SAID that WP7 phones don't have significant difference and I REPLIED with "but if you are comparing 15 WP7 phones in total (and mostly from the same maker), you can't expect a significant difference YET. It is still early."

How the HECK did PROMOTION came into the picture? Brother, you drunk ar?



No point telling. You still won't realise because you don't understand English. Otherwise you would have realised by now.



Haha, you are a big joker lar bro. As if now you are a PhD holder from Cambridge University and you have to come "down" to my level

lol even now you don't understand. When did I ever PREDICTED Nokia+WP7's future? It is you Androidfags who are saying that Nokia will NOT succeed JUST BECAUSE they did not use Android.

When somebody says something good about Nokia + WP7, you Androidfags couldn't accept it and either :
1) start attacking the person or;
2) call the person MicroKia fag and asking for someone else to give a more constructive opinion, which I am sure that you are still not going to accept.

That is when I came in to say why is Nokia + WP7 better than Nokia + Android. Immediately, one bugger said my analogy is wrong and replied that Nokia will not succeed like Shakeys pizza. I asked him the reason and he kept quiet. That is what you call constructive?

Others said my reason was not acceptable but nobody is saying why. All going back to square one, saying that Android is God sent, has the most users, high end and low end, bla bla bla. Was that constructive?



I am already very active in Android forum (but I am not an Androidfag). I don't need to be welcomed again.

I hope that those who bash Nokia+WP7 stop using your emotions to think. It doesn't work that way. There is something which is called the brain and it does the thinking job much much better than your emotions.

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 15 2011, 11:33 AM