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 Gavin Tee: Malaysia’s Condos Reaching RM5K psf, by 2016. Discuss.

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post Feb 2 2011, 01:55 PM, updated 15y ago

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In a recent talk, property consultant Gavin Tee has predicted the following:-

Price psf of luxury condos in Malaysia might hit RM5K within the next 5 years
Real estate market in Kuala Lumpur would mature and hit its highest point by 2020
Toursim-related properties in Malaysia would become the most expensive by 2018
Iskandar Malaysia would have the second highest property values after Kuala Lumpur by 2016
Hotspots for the Klang Valley would include Bukit Bintang/Jalan Stonor, Maluri/Cochrane, Sentul, KLCC vicinity, U-Thant, Sungai Buloh, Ulu Klang/Melawati, and Bukit Jalil/Equine
For the rest of Malaysia, the hot spots would include Kota Kinabalu, Penang, Malacca, Iskandar Malaysia, Cyberjaya, Kuantan, Ipoh, Muar and Klang

I read it here: http://blog.iproperty.com.my/real-estate-i...5k-psf-by-2016/

Whats your opinion to this?
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post Feb 2 2011, 02:06 PM

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rubbish. like a schoolchildren projection.
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QUOTE(jeghui @ Feb 2 2011, 02:06 PM)
rubbish. like a schoolchildren projection.
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ya, i think he didnt give justification or analysis to back up his prediction. (I cant find it on the net, maybe he do justify in the talk)

For discussion sake, and to kill some of my free time, why dont we try to justify for him or simply abolish his claim.

Why rubbish?

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Currently as it is property prices have escalated alot and is probably almost out of reach for most young working adults. But still affordable for combine income. I think it will definitely go up somemore but not till the extend of 5k psf.

If its 5k psf it can only be owned by foreign investors and not many locals will own property in this places. Maybe if developers can market all the properties overseas then potentially it can be 5k psf.

As for HK and Singapore they are high income nation, professionals in SG or HK easily earn more then us and have stronger spending power so can't really be compared.


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post Feb 2 2011, 02:37 PM

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Too vague to say right or wrong. 5k psf for luxurious condo. Definition of luxurious is not clearly defined. Surely there will be one or two that will be transacted at this price.
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post Feb 2 2011, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(webby88 @ Feb 2 2011, 02:37 PM)
Too vague to say right or wrong.  5k psf for luxurious condo.  Definition of luxurious is not clearly defined.  Surely there will be one or two that will be transacted at this price.
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totally unsubstantiated for that guy to claim that......
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post Feb 2 2011, 02:48 PM

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more than rubbish, stupid

most expensive psf in KL is RM1500-2000+- now

becoming RM5,000> RM3000 increase in 5 yrs time,

YOY is 20-30%...
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post Feb 2 2011, 02:53 PM

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I see luxury condo now price around RM800-RM1300/psf

Let assume RM1000/psf now....500% in 5 years?

In year 2016, RM5000/psf X 500sf SOHO Unit X 0.05 Rental Yield /12Months
= Approx RM10k per month

How many people can afford RM10k monthly rental for a SOHO/Studio 500sf unit?

It might happen if our salary increase, demand increase and supply decrease.....but do Malaysia have this trend?
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QUOTE(webby88 @ Feb 2 2011, 02:37 PM)
Too vague to say right or wrong.  5k psf for luxurious condo.  Definition of luxurious is not clearly defined.  Surely there will be one or two that will be transacted at this price.
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yup...1st we need to define luxurious condo
2nd market price rite now
then we can talk about the projection price....either it is mere speculation or maybe it is possible
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post Feb 2 2011, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(jeghui @ Feb 2 2011, 02:06 PM)
rubbish. like a schoolchildren projection.
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I think jeghui is being polite here.......retarded is more appropriate.....maybe Gavin's firm got appointed to sell a dev's luxury prop somewhere hence he had to make such claims.....if anyone got the chansee to attend his talk pls ask him to show which luxury prop in kl today that is liquid at 1k to 1.5k psf in both rentals and subsale?

On the other hand, I heard joker Azizi advising his students to sell all their props....also wrong advise imho.....funny to see how these 2 experts got completely diff opinion on props prospects....


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I concur with Pai. We do not need 'property experts' to tell us this and that. They can be bought and thus, manipulated.

better make your own research, guys!
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post Feb 2 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Feb 2 2011, 02:54 PM)

On the other hand, I heard joker Azizi advising his students to sell all their props....also wrong advise imho.....funny to see how these 2 experts got completely diff opinion on props prospects....
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Maybe he believes in the 2012 phenomena. sad.gif
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Patchay Urban Research (we) see property prices will continue to rise to around RM2,000 psf level.

Suburban areas will continue to play catch up but we know certain suburban areas will hit the climax of more than RM1,500 psf once things like MRT is done. Another simple illustration is that time will tell when things like Louis Vuitton will hit the suburban markets, such as in Petaling Jaya. Thus, we see good potential for suburban homes, suburban work and suburban lifestyle.

We also think KL middle-high-end properties will continue to enjoy good yield based on cost of entry is still relatively low compared to say future 2015 prices. However, we expect the Malaysian yield to gradually reduce to adjust to our average neighbours level (currently our KL yield is very high compared to our ASEAN neighbours). This is also more realistic to re-equilibrium to an average Malaysian purchasing power. At the same time, the continued growth in urban population (due to the young population who seek to work in KL) will act as a base support for the supply-demand market.

We also understand that many more Measures will be taken by the Authorities (namely the Govt) to smoothen our real estate and construction industries. Things like better real estate laws, foreign ownerships, strata and land issues, public housing and lower income housing gap, infrastructure issues, REITs, new construction methods, new guidelines for quality structures, green building, etc etc. The implications will be Good but it depends on how fast we can get things done. Overall it will be Good thus leading to appreciation of properties.

In coming years, Malaysian properties will be gradually "internationalised". The last puzzle that is the MRT (and other public transport) could enhance connectivity and commercial productivity. In conjunction with ETP plans, more creative and branded real estate products will also be hitting our shores soon. We also noted that the Govt will try to push for the majority population (Bumis) to lead the next property cycle. EPF, Petronas, Khazanah, LTH, PHBB, PNB, etc all want a share of our property market.

As long as our interest rates remained relatively at low levels, the up-cycle could continue. We see a pick up in demands for high-end Grade A commercial and residential properties. At the same time, we acknowledge the under-served lower-middle working class. We think there would be more new players coming into the market to serve the growing working class with very affordable but small sized homes.

All these will lead continued excitement in the sector. But again, the success of ETP will hold the key to the sustainability of our real estate. And yeah, don't forget about external factors as well such as property bubble in China in coming years could adversely affect us.

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it is depend on KL foreign biz policy. (r we biz frenly?)
if they follow China model, which open and welcome to all investments, (no NEP, no ketuanan melayu etc) then the property price will shoot up to 5k or more.
i remember when i just live in shanghai in 2001, it is only 6k yuan psm (at xu jia hui), it is now 60-70k yuan psm today. (10x in 10yrs)
p/s; the high end thomson riveira is selling now at 200k psm yuan
http://www.tomson-riviera.com/main.html
it is same to sg, it was only 500 psf, now it is 2000 psf. (4x in 10 yrs)
both sh and sg are open to foreign co and foreign talents to do biz. in fact, kl has lot of potential to attract foreign vs neibouring countries eg indo, phil, thai, viet, taiwan, japan, korea etc (cost, language, safty, law, infra, people, banking etc)
some may say how average msian can afford? it is same thing in sh and sg, the normal ppl can not afford the high end condo which sapu by foreigners/PR , that is why lot of sh and sg citizen r now blaming the govt. in one end govt bring more biz/investment/growth and jobs to citizen, at the end the citizen blame the govt coz they cant afford home. so which to follow?? i think msia just stay put lor coz rakyat will sure blame the govt..and govt will collasp (like egypt). so conlcusion, msia property price will not jump in the next 5 yrs..
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QUOTE(jeghui @ Feb 2 2011, 02:57 PM)
I concur with Pai. We do not need 'property experts' to tell us this and that. They can be bought and thus, manipulated.

better make your own research, guys!
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QUOTE(accetera @ Feb 2 2011, 03:19 PM)
Patchay Urban Research (we) see property prices will continue to rise to around RM2,000 psf level.

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Well said. Maybe we can get a write up like this from Gavin Tee research?

Maybe some of the investor who attended Gavin talk can enlighten us. "Dont be shy!"

In the end, its still indicating that price will only go up up up. Its just a matter of how high psf

But im more than curious of what pai shared, where Azizi Ali advising his students to sell all their props.

I'm more interested to learn why Azizi Ali advising his students to sell all their props. Can share the source? or just word of mouth?


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if everyone just hold thier property (anticipate further rise), how the property agent can survive? (no sub sales transactions, only new launch by developers) . just depend on rental market is mana cukup..
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QUOTE(accetera @ Feb 2 2011, 03:19 PM)
Patchay Urban Research (we) see property prices will continue to rise to around RM2,000 psf level. (Currently, Just very few condo projects in KLCC are priced at this level, sub-sale transactions at this price levels are very very very low, condo priced below RM1.0 mil still relatively okay. Active transacted KLCC condo/serviced apartments include MARC, MERITZ, MAYTOWER, and other offering smaller sizes.)

Suburban areas will continue to play catch up but we know certain suburban areas will hit the climax of more than RM1,500 psf once things like MRT is done. (when will it happened? 2016? KL suburbs like Mid Valley's neighbour KL Eco City newly launches will be around RM1100psf, Kota Damansara around 500psf, PJ Sect 17/ sect 13 around 500psf to 800psf, all are relatively smaller in sizes, hence to ensure affordability in prices. Believe more 300sf size units will be introduced in near future maybe if 1,500psf = RM450k each? However, still one factor to boost up property price - that is inflation.) Another simple illustration is that time will tell when things like Louis Vuitton will hit the suburban markets, such as in Petaling Jaya. Thus, we see good potential for suburban homes, suburban work and suburban lifestyle.

We also think KL middle-high-end properties will continue to enjoy good yield based on cost of entry is still relatively low compared to say future 2015 prices. (at the time being, low entry cost to buy property due to low interests (BLR-x.X%), new units entitled to discounts from developer, absorption legal fees and stamp duty in some cases by developers to boost the sales, however, it is not that low entry cost to buy a sub-sale property with no all kinds of fees absorpted. In future, we don't know how the market will performance- be good or be bad? maybe also future new units will be marketed as zero down and  plus cash received by buyers as the entry cost/benefits?)

However, we expect the Malaysian yield to gradually reduce to adjust to our average neighbours level (currently our KL yield is very high compared to our ASEAN neighbours) (yields of condominium/apartment is being reduced now, coz everyone is asking more for value, however, rental wise, some are slightly increase, some are slightly down, and even some are stagnant, conclusion is maintain. Those who bought their units in the past are currently still enjoy good yields.)


This is also more realistic to re-equilibrium to an average Malaysian purchasing power. At the same time, the continued growth in urban population (due to the young population who seek to work in KL) will act as a base support for the supply-demand market. (have to check the historical trends of KL population vs selangor population, coz dunno kl population is actually increasing or decresing?)

We also understand that many more Measures will be taken by the Authorities (namely the Govt) to smoothen our real estate and construction industries. Things like better real estate laws, foreign ownerships, strata and land issues, public housing and lower income housing gap, infrastructure issues, REITs, new construction methods, new guidelines for quality structures, green building, etc etc. The implications will be Good but it depends on how fast we can get things done. Overall it will be Good thus leading to appreciation of properties. (uncertainty of govet policy is also a matter. until now 100% loans for property >RM220k still has yet been finalised.)

In coming years, Malaysian properties will be gradually "internationalised". The last puzzle that is the MRT (and other public transport) could enhance connectivity and commercial productivity. In conjunction with ETP plans, more creative and branded real estate products will also be hitting our shores soon. We also noted that the Govt will try to push for the majority population (Bumis) to lead the next property cycle. EPF, Petronas, Khazanah, LTH, PHBB, PNB, etc all want a share of our property market.

As long as our interest rates remained relatively at low levels, the up-cycle could continue. We see a pick up in demands for high-end Grade A commercial and residential properties. At the same time, we acknowledge the under-served lower-middle working class. We think there would be more new players coming into the market to serve the growing working class with very affordable but small sized homes.  (might be GLC company that will build their so called affordable home to nearby future MRT stations such as kajang, cheras, sg buloh, however we might be surprised if government will instruct those glc companies to build affrodable home in KL city centre area. hehehehe)

All these will lead continued excitement in the sector. But again, the success of ETP will hold the key to the sustainability of our real estate. And yeah, don't forget about external factors as well such as property bubble in China in coming years could adversely affect us. (this might be affected us? high end? mid end? or low end?)
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QUOTE(hidden830726 @ Feb 2 2011, 04:43 PM)
Best advice ever: "Make your own research!"


Added on February 2, 2011, 4:48 pm

Well said. Maybe we can get a write up like this from Gavin Tee research?

Maybe some of the investor who attended Gavin talk can enlighten us. "Dont be shy!"

In the end, its still indicating that price will only go up up up. Its just a matter of how high psf

But im more than curious of what pai shared, where Azizi Ali advising his students to sell all their props.

I'm more interested to learn why Azizi Ali advising his students to sell all their props. Can share the source? or just word of mouth?
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Azizi said it in thestarproperty and interview w BFM
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our stats show approximately 50 megaprojects more than RM1-RM25 billion around Klang Valley being planned coming onstream

as for KL, the Bukit Bintang-Pudu area is like the new frontier....

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Azizi is no one, we got Pie. Who is Gavin Tee?


Added on February 2, 2011, 6:10 pm
QUOTE(lucerne @ Feb 2 2011, 05:16 PM)
if everyone just hold thier property (anticipate further rise), how the property agent can survive?  (no sub sales transactions, only new launch by developers) .  just depend on rental market is mana cukup..
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They also get fees from lawyer and banker.


This post has been edited by hidden830726: Feb 2 2011, 06:10 PM

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