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post Apr 14 2011, 05:57 AM

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No one is smarter than niuchin/CityBluePrint/Tevez Dzeko Balotelli/A 11 for sure. His dupes are used to promote his beloved team, manchester city. He is probably the best manchester city fan ever in this world. We all should learn from him the real meaning of respect, because he understands about it more than any of us. I have full respect for him and his dupes. He is smarter than us when judging desicions. Hail CBP
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Apr 13 2011, 10:32 PM)
By Rooney post CL  interview
Kudos to Rooney for accepting what he did was wrong. There is no argument about that. He is MAN enough!
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Yes kudos to Rooney for accepting what he did was wrong! He should be thankful for the privilege of being a highly paid footballer in the PL. With that comes much responsibility everyone of us sdhould agree on that. He is a very lucky person not to be hit with lots of fines, bans and suspensions for his flagrant fouls (McCarthy etc) & misdeeds. Though NC may disagree with me I would say the bicycle kick he made against City was sent from the Sky. Look up and see how high the apogee was & you will also see he shinned the deflected ball (from Zabaleta which gaves a lot of hang time ~3 sec ) into the net. To me its more of a header that even Caroll or Ade could have headed in. Anyways there are many highlight goals including Ramires (against City) or Berbatovs. My point is that Rooney is really 'lucky' or 'blessed' (to red devils) at times a opinion that maybe inimical to mu fans.

On another issue Avram Grant supension has not been discussed here. Why has he gone under the radar? A11 has been ribbed by me elsewhere. My point is fans here should also discuss about Grant's ban and or concern. Why does mu fans just want to counter only posters that cites Fergie's or mu misdeeds which are egregious IMO compared to others committed by Mancini, Balotelli, Grant, Harry or Cole et al.
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QUOTE(nshady @ Apr 14 2011, 05:57 AM)
No one is smarter than niuchin/CityBluePrint/Tevez Dzeko Balotelli/A 11 for sure. His dupes are used to promote his beloved team, manchester city. He is probably the best manchester city fan ever in this world. We all should learn from him the real meaning of respect, because he understands about it more than any of us. I have full respect for him and his dupes. He is smarter than us when judging desicions. Hail CBP
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Yes we are 'dupes' in many ways sharing a many common interest. Guess what? From one group to another?
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QUOTE(BluePLAN @ Apr 15 2011, 01:46 AM)
Yes kudos to Rooney for accepting what he did was wrong! He should be thankful for the privilege of being a highly paid footballer in the PL. With that comes much responsibility everyone of us sdhould agree on that. He is a very lucky person not to be hit with lots of fines, bans and suspensions for his flagrant fouls (McCarthy etc) & misdeeds. Though NC may disagree with me I would say the bicycle kick he made against City was sent from the Sky. Look up and see how high the apogee was &  you will also see he shinned  the  deflected ball (from Zabaleta which gaves a lot of hang time ~3 sec ) into the net. To me its more of a header that even Caroll or Ade could have headed in. Anyways there are many highlight goals including Ramires (against City) or Berbatovs. My point is that Rooney is really 'lucky' or 'blessed' (to red devils) at times a opinion that maybe inimical to mu fans.

On another  issue Avram Grant supension has not been discussed here. Why has he gone under the radar?  A11 has been ribbed by me elsewhere. My point is fans here should also discuss about Grant's ban and or concern. Why does mu fans just want to counter only posters that cites Fergie's or mu misdeeds which are egregious IMO compared to others committed by Mancini, Balotelli, Grant, Harry or Cole et al.
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OK here goes this was what he said

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“I think maybe this is the reason the referee started the second half very strange. Until they scored [the second] goal he gave fouls, a penalty, everything for them. It was a penalty for us at the end which he didn’t give. What happened with Tomkins was more bushido [the Japanese code of conduct for samurai warriors]. Maybe he felt a little bit guilty. I think it was the effect of the first goal for us.”



He has been given a touchline ban for 2 matches and fined a total of £6,000 by the FA. I think thats appropriate. He should follow 'Arry post game interview style.
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post Apr 19 2011, 07:05 PM

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According to the Sun today
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...t-campaign.html


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KENNY DALGLISH, Arsene Wenger, Rio Ferdinand and Mario Balotelli ALL escaped punishment last night as football chiefs did... SWEET FA.
FA bigwigs made a mockery of their own Respect campaign by granting a universal pardon to football's bad-boys.
Dalglish and Wenger clashed after Liverpool's 1-1 draw with Arsenal while Manchester City and United stars were involved in an ugly bust-up at the end of their FA Cup semi-final.
City's Balotelli deliberately wound up United fans by standing in front of them pointing to the badge on his shirt as he celebrated Saturday's 1-0 victory for Roberto Mancini's side.
Ferdinand and Anderson both confronted Balotelli as City coach David Platt stepped in to try and break things up.
United keeper Edwin van der Sar also pushed a cameraman as tempers boiled over.
Wembley referee Mike Dean mentioned the spat in his official report and suggested the FA may want to have a closer look.
FA chiefs did view the incidents yesterday and early indications are that they felt the ruck was little more than 'handbags'.
United fans will be furious as Wayne Rooney was handed a two-match ban for swearing into a camera after scoring a hat-trick against West Ham just two weeks ago.
But an FA spokesman said: "We are quite clear that the context of the Wayne Rooney incident was different to the other recent incidents."
Rival bosses Wenger and Dalglish clashed following Dirk Kuyt's 102nd-minute spot-kick that effectively ended Arsenal's title chances at the Emirates in Sunday's dramatic clash.
Kop legend Dalglish was seen on TV clearly telling his rival to "p*** off" - although he later claimed: "I just told him that I still owe him dinner. There's no problem."
Gunners chief Wenger said: "All I said to Dalglish was it was not a penalty. You can check with TV to see what I said."
The FA's director of football Trevor Brooking admits rules over being caught swearing on camera need looking at.
Talking at the launch of the Grass Roots Football Show in Birmingham, Brooking said: "We have to get the Premier League, Football League, PFA and LMA on the same hymn sheet.
"We must get to a stage where everyone just accepts the decision rather than muddying the waters."

Is the FA bigwigs making a mockery of their own Respect Campaign by granting an universal pardon? You tell me. whistling.gif

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post Apr 19 2011, 07:14 PM

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The Times wrote today (subscription reqd.) ;
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The Football Association will write to Manchester United to remind them of their responsibilities after discovering a hole in the wall of the Wembley dressing room that the team used for Saturday's acrimonious FA Cup semi-final defeat by Manchester City. The damage is believed to be consistent with suggestions that it was caused by a United player or member of their backroom staff lashing out in frustration after the 1-0 defeat
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The Sun wrote ;
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Who put boot into Wembley's Wall?

the FA is expected to invoice United for the repair work.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport...mbley-wall.html

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According to the Daily Mail, a hole was left in the wall after the fitness coach, Tony Strudwick, kicked out in anger following the side's 1-0 defeat. Maintenance staff were called in overnight before Stoke City's semi-final against Bolton Wanderers on Sunday.


If only the Wembley dressing rooms' walls have ears & tongue to recite the litany ; the gnashing, wailing & whining of the FA Cup semi-finalists contestants. What a tale it would tell. Even the wall get dissed. rclxub.gif

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If they're going to want to make sure they stamp their authority on the matter and ensure the success of all this "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" malarkey, they've got to make sure that they practice consistency in their decisions. What's the point of punishing one person when several others get away with the same offence week-in week-out. You could argue that they need to do this every once in a while to make sure ppl know they are doing the job, but hey, if you're gonna want to implement it on the big names just to get attention, that's shooting justice right in the face. Rooney got reprimanded for swearing (an Englishman's vocab) in front of millions of viewers. So why the double standard?

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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Apr 19 2011, 07:16 PM)
If they're going to want to make sure they stamp their authority on the matter and ensure the success of all this "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" malarkey, they've got to make sure that they practice consistency in their decisions. What's the point of punishing one person when several others get away with the same offence week-in week-out. You could argue that they need to do this every once in a while to make sure ppl know they are doing the job, but hey, if you're gonna want to implement it on the big names just to get attention, that's shooting justice right in the face. Rooney got reprimanded for swearing (an Englishman's vocab) in front of millions of viewers. So why the double standard?
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Let me answer succinctly;
Fergie deserves to have the book thrown at him for basically questioning the Integrity of the Referee. See Paddy Barclay (The Times Chief Football Correspondent) inteview on Youtube in one of the post cited herein.
Rooney tirade though of industrial strength cannot be brooked & thats why he was rightly suspended & fine. Remember we have a general audience. Though you and I maybe liberal and may not find it offensive there is still a certain amount of decorum & deportment one, especially a high public figure like Rooney, has to be responsible.
Rooney outburst though it maybe 'cathartic' IMO is a reflection of all the pent up hurts, frustrations (his sub par performances up to then & sponsorships dwindling & runins with MU supporters etc). Nonetheless its inexcusable.

Both of the above offences are egregious!

Avram Grant similarly was suspended & fined for also questioning the referee's integrity. The FA is consistent here. No?

Graham Poll in his musings (The Daily Mail column) wished that he had booked Rooney for his f-bombs directed at him. Yes we are right the FA ( and referees like Poll) are also to be blamed for allowing high profile (especially England's blue-eyed boys) players getting away with 'murder'.

We should be glad that the FA is serious in enforcing it (without exceptions?) NOW.

Regarding this past weekend we will wait & see how it unfolds. A reminder the article was by the Sun.
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oo the all mighty one what say you of the rants coming from kenny when confronted by wenger then??? is curious to know....
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Apr 19 2011, 07:48 PM)
Let me answer succinctly;
Fergie deserves to have the book thrown at him for basically questioning the Integrity of the Referee. See Paddy Barclay (The Times Chief Football Correspondent)  inteview on Youtube in one of the post cited herein.
Rooney tirade though of industrial strength cannot be brooked & thats why he was rightly suspended & fine. Remember we have a general audience. Though you and I maybe liberal and may not  find it offensive there is still a certain amount of decorum & deportment one, especially a high public figure like Rooney, has to be responsible.
Rooney  outburst though it maybe 'cathartic' IMO is a reflection of all the pent up hurts, frustrations (his sub par performances up to then & sponsorships dwindling & runins with MU supporters etc). Nonetheless its inexcusable.

Both of the above offences are egregious!

Avram Grant similarly was suspended & fined for also questioning the referee's integrity. The FA is consistent here. No?

Graham Poll in his musings (The Daily Mail column) wished that he had booked Rooney for his f-bombs directed at him. Yes we are right the FA ( and referees like Poll) are also to be blamed for allowing high profile (especially England's blue-eyed boys) players getting away with 'murder'.

We should be glad that the FA is  serious in enforcing it (without exceptions?) NOW.

Regarding this past weekend  we will wait & see how it unfolds.  A reminder the article was by the Sun.
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I'm not implying that Rooney is innocent here. All I want to see is the punishment applied across the board. How many times have we seen players throw f-bombs or swear words after missing a chance? Or the dressing down players give to referees or linesmen every so often? Do they get the same exact treatment Mr. Wayne Rooney did here? If the FA wants to make their point, they've got to make their decisions on a more consistent basis. Not just because its a high profile player, hence higher viewership, global audience, more ppl who see him as a role model etc. Again though, I'm in no way defending the antics of the United players (before some posters come in and blast me for being biased). I just want to see it applied throughout. Not just becoz one deserves more scrutiny than the other, and thus should be made an example of. Though that may not be how the FA are basing their decisions on, it certainly seems that way.
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I for one don't give a flying f*** about players or manager using foul language. I myself churn out a swear word at a ratio of 1 cuss word per 10 words or so. Yes, I understand the social responsibility part of it but heck, why not give football matches a PG rating then? Aside from swearing, we have the occasional violent leg breaking tackle, bloodied head injury and so on.

Isn't there delay for all live airings? If there is, the most effective way of ensuring that no expletives end up on screen is to censor them, no?

The reason I don't engage much in this topic is simply because I think too many elements that make the game fun are being taken out of it by over-conservatism. Players cannot over celebrate lah, cannot swear, cannot shove another, etc. Might as well have a bunch of machines with zero emotion play the game.
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There are still folks who still insists that Rooney has been wrongly punished.
Prior to his apology and acceptance of the error of his ways lets see whether we have been justified in vilifying his misconduct.

What Rule 12 for Misconduct states
A player is cautioned and shown a yellow card if he/she commits any of the following offences:
· Dissent by word or action
· Persistent infringement on the Laws of the Game
In addition, a player is cautioned and shown a yellow card for "unsporting behaviour" which includes but is not limited to:
· Extravagant celebration, such as covering one's head with one's jersey, or removing it over the head, and entering the crowd.
· Simulating actions intended to deceive the referee, such as diving.
· A reckless challenge or tackle.
Sending-off offences (red card)
A player is shown a red card and sent off
A player, substitute or substituted player is dismissed from the field of play and shown the red card if he/she commits any of the following offences:
· Serious foul play
· Violent conduct
· Use of abusive language and/or gestures

Lets see what Rooneys priors are

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...-flare-ups.html
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2003: A young Rooney exposes his carelessness while still an Everton player after being booked for a knee-high tackle on Manchester United’s Cristiano Ronaldo
2004: Steve McClaren removed Rooney from the pitch in a bid to avoid a red card during an England friendly against Spain after the then 18 year-old clashed with several members of the opposing team.
Sept 2005: Rooney lost the plot during England's 1-0 defeat to Northern Ireland in a World Cup qualifier. Not only was he cautioned for a foul on Keith Gillespie he told team-mates, Rio Ferdinand and David Beckham, to "f*** off".
June 2006
- Even Rooney’s United teammate Gary Neville put him in his place for this petulant outburst after he was substituted during England’s World Cup group match against Sweden. Having being replaced by Steven Gerrard after 69 minutes, Rooney threw his boots to the floor of the dugout, punched a Perspex screen and swore loudly.
- Rooney was shown a straight red card for stamping on Ricardo Carvalho in England’s quarter-final match against Portugal in the World Cup. England subsequently went out on penalties.
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May 2008: As Rooney’s hot-headed behaviour started to become such a cause for concern it led England manager Fabio Capello to urge the striker to work on tempering his piratical tendencies. The Italian’s intervention came after England’s 2-0 victory over the USA during which Rooney was lucky not to have been shown a red card for his heavy challenges on Ricardo Clark and Frankie Hejduk.
Oct 2008: The 23-year-old was shown a yellow card for a heavy foul on Mikel Arteta. Later in the match Rooney went on to kiss his United crest directly in front of Everton fans. Dec 2008: Reminiscent of his clash with Carvalho, Rooney faced a Champions League ban after Uefa began an investigation into the referee’s report of the forward’s conduct during United’s clash with Aalborg. During the match Rooney clashed with at least three of the opposition’s players and at one point appeared to stamp on Kasper Risgard.
March 2009
Rooney was facing a three-match ban for his petulant exit from the pitch after being shown a second yellow card against Fulham. The striker initially refused to leave the pitch in a bid to protest his innocence and was then seen to punch the corner flag in frustration as he made his way to the players tunnel.
June 2010
In England's final warm-up match for the World Cup against South African club side Platinum Stars Rooney was booked for using the f-word towards the referee. Rooney was a half-time substitute and quickly became frustrated with the referee warning him if he were to behave like that in the World Cup he would get sent off. As well as being cautioned, Rooney had an angry clash with one of the opposition players after he lost possession.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/7809760/World-Cup-2010-Wayne-Rooney-taken-to-task-for-using-f-word-in-Platinum-Stars-friendly.html

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It was also supposed to be a goodwill match towards the community, with thousands of schoolchildren in the crowd.
However referee Jeff Selogilwe said that if Rooney continued to behave the way he did yesterday he would get sent off in the World Cup. “Rooney insulted me, he said '---- you’,” Selogilwe, a local South African referee, revealed after the game. “He is a good player when you see him on the TV, but when you see him on the pitch, he just keeps on insulting the referees.
“To me, it looks like Rooney insults people and fouls other players. If he insults a referee like me, then he will use that vulgar language to other referees as well.


His recent outburst broadcasted live to over millions of fans (including children) was a gross misconduct and IMO Rooney was rightfully being charged with Rule 12.
Should Rooney's behaviour & misconduct be left unpunished & unchecked? Will we still condone & endorse this kind of behaviour? To continue supporting a recalcitrant miscreant?


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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 20 2011, 11:58 AM)
I for one don't give a flying f*** about players or manager using foul language. I myself churn out a swear word at a ratio of 1 cuss word per 10 words or so. Yes, I understand the social responsibility part of it but heck, why not give football matches a PG rating then? Aside from swearing, we have the occasional violent leg breaking tackle, bloodied head injury and so on.

Isn't there delay for all live airings? If there is, the most effective way of ensuring that no expletives end up on screen is to censor them, no?

The reason I don't engage much in this topic is simply because I think too many elements that make the game fun are being taken out of it by over-conservatism. Players cannot over celebrate lah, cannot swear, cannot shove another, etc. Might as well have a bunch of machines with zero emotion play the game.
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Are you serious? Including condoning Rooney-esque Misconduct?
Or are you being facetious trying to wind up those advocate that the FA should clean up the act.
All of us should support Lord Bernstein in setting the course right. Its about time for a Level Playing Field don't you agree?

Just for the record yes England's 'blue-eyed boys' (including Gerrards, Terry et al) have escaped punishment under Bernsteins predeccessor. Its about time they are being reined in.
To just flogged Babel, El-Hadji Diouf, Adebayor or other nationals is just patently unfair and smacks of discrimmination or double standards and thats why the English FA
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these sohai city blue print and a11 which obviously 1 sohai very hard working criticise rooney after rooney score a wonderful goal against them ... sigh

wake up lar mannnn

even u win in this debate u are still a retard here ... no people will respect u ...
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Apr 21 2011, 09:19 AM)
Are you serious? Including condoning Rooney-esque Misconduct?
Or are you being facetious trying to wind up those advocate that the FA should clean up the act.
All of us should support Lord Bernstein in setting the course right. Its about time for a Level Playing Field don't you agree?

Just for the record yes England's 'blue-eyed boys' (including Gerrards, Terry et al) have escaped punishment under Bernsteins predeccessor. Its about time they are being reined in.

To just flogged Babel, El-Hadji Diouf, Adebayor or other nationals is just patently unfair and smacks of discrimmination or double standards and thats why the English FA
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Yes I am. I'm not condoning misconduct, I'm accepting that it's part of the game. Is it every day that players swear at the camera man? If we at home can swear at the TV screen being thousands of miles away, I can only imagine how it must feel like being on the pitch. I accept that emotional outbursts will occur simply because it is a human response. This isn't tennis, and it certainly isn't played by "gentlemen". I do however agree that since they've implemented rules governing such incidences that it should be consistent.

I simply think the FA should focus on other aspects of the game, that affect the outcome of the match and not the traumatic effect a swear word will have on a minor at home, who is likely to have learned to cuss anyway. The English FA is arguably the most "popular" of all the big leagues and if they felt strongly enough about measures that can prevent disrespute of any game, they can take the appropriate measures. I know it seems like I'm moving the goalpost here but I feel that measures like these provide a smokescreen for the fact that not enough is being done to ensure that decisions made by refs during games are spot on. I don't care if it's the introduction of video replays or the addition of another ref but I get the feeling the FA is too protective of the individuals they govern, referees in particular.

I firmly believe that some of the rules are absurd. Let's take a look.

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A player is cautioned and shown a yellow card if he/she commits any of the following offences:
· Dissent by word or action
· Persistent infringement on the Laws of the Game
In addition, a player is cautioned and shown a yellow card for "unsporting behaviour" which includes but is not limited to:
· Extravagant celebration, such as covering one's head with one's jersey, or removing it over the head, and entering the crowd.· Simulating actions intended to deceive the referee, such as diving.
· A reckless challenge or tackle.
Sending-off offences (red card)
A player is shown a red card and sent off
A player, substitute or substituted player is dismissed from the field of play and shown the red card if he/she commits any of the following offences:
· Serious foul play
· Violent conduct
· Use of abusive language and/or gestures
What qualifies as "dissent"? Players get booked for shoving another out of the way. Really? Draw the line at punching, headbutting or no-shadow-kicks, but shoving and grabbing?

Seriously, what's wrong with taking your shirt off unless you have another shirt on with a political message? Entering the crowd? Stadiums are seated so what is the reason? That they're afraid of a stampede? Time wasting? Players just have to be careful they don't jump into the wrong crowd. Geeze, you sign for the club you've supported all your life, you score the winning goal in a cup final against your biggest rivals. You're over the moon and you get booked for taking your shirt off?

A red card for saying, "f*** you"? Fine, maybe mouthing it in front of a camera is a little over the top but it isn't like microphones pick up swear words on the pitch.


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QUOTE(clsiluf @ Apr 21 2011, 09:29 AM)
these sohai city blue print and a11 which obviously 1 sohai very hard working criticise rooney after rooney score a wonderful goal against them ... sigh

wake up lar mannnn

even u win in this debate u are still a retard here ... no people will respect u ...
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To be fair, as much as he take every opportunity to take a swipe at you guys, he does have a point. If he were using another club as an example, we'd all be having a better discussion.

Forget that he's talking about Rooney or Ferguson for a moment. I personally have an issue with the FA being so pedantic when it comes to what players "should" or "should not" do.

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this might be off topic but does p*ss off can be considered as foul language?


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this might be off topic but does p*ss off can be considered as foul language?
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I think it falls under the "abusive language" category, probably because it can incite a reaction.

The thing is, if they want to impose such rules, they need to be more specific. What if I said, "sod off" instead? Means the same thing. So what? We leave it to the refs discretion again? They are already under enough pressure to get their decisions right on the pitch as it is.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 21 2011, 11:56 AM)
I think it falls under the "abusive language" category, probably because it can incite a reaction.

The thing is, if they want to impose such rules, they need to be more specific. What if I said, "sod off" instead? Means the same thing. So what? We leave it to the refs discretion again? They are already under enough pressure to get their decisions right on the pitch as it is.
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i don't know about the british gentleman code but for me,personally,i don't think telling others to p*ss off is abusive.

you're right on that.the inconsistency in FA actions are because there's no fine line of how the players should or should not do in the match.we see players nudging other players at the back.some referee think it's a foul.some didn't think so.but then again,some players will always look for foul on them to gain the advantage.
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apa beza kita menyebut perkataan baaabiii di malaysia?

it's like a common words nowadays but still u CANT accept it

Foul is a foul. Why need to protect the foul

i watch last night game madrid barca.. i facepalm tgk player barcelona everytime madrid player foul they will shout at ref infront of his face.if shouting, one or two sure got some swear here and there..

these players will never learn to respect if u dont penalize them.

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