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The Worst Crime a Footballer can Commit?, Punished for expressing a POV?
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Duke Red
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Jan 14 2011, 03:24 PM
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The article makes a whole lot of sense. I think that authorities in general are facing issues dealing with social media, simply because they have no control over what's said. If you take in consideration that by and large, you have "Freedom of Expression" (Article 10), then expressing ones thoughts over social media isn't wrong. If the picture was published in the media, then you could sue for defamation but its up to the court to decide where the burden of proof lies. Either way I'm not sure if there is actually a law that governs social media on this. You do get your usual, "your internet posts can get you sued" comments flying about but I can't validate them. All things said and done, I see nothing wrong in making passing statements. In the case of Babel, it isn't as though he made vicious insinuations accompanied by suggestive evidence and like the article says, players and managers have made far more suggesting allegations to the mass media.
If someone stands in the middle of 1 Utama and shouts, "my girlfriend is a whore!", can he get sued for defamation? I think not. Social media is basically someone shouting his thoughts out in the middle of 1 Utama albeit with the aid of a powerful sound wave enchancer.
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Duke Red
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Jan 14 2011, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(chcher @ Jan 14 2011, 03:45 PM) On the contrary, shouting that gf comment in public may lead to defamation unless it is VERY clear that it is a joke, (ie the gf was there when it was shouted and laughed etc), since it is a public place and a place where peopl who know the bf and the gf would appear, and that statement would give these friends or public a negative impression of the person defamed and her status in eyes of friends and society would be tarnished and hence suffered damage to her reputation. Anyway back to Babel's case, its really a tough situation not just with the FA but with alot of other bodies, ie this social media phenomena. It cannot be denied that the social media reaches out to so much more audience - tens of thousands to millions of readers - and the impact can be disastrous if not handled well. The FA have their disciplinary board and rules and one of it is nothing disrespectful or diminishing the image of the referees / FAs should be published in public. One of the factors considered (rightfully or wrongfully) would have been the need to prevent mass flooding of similar messages by others. So sadly Ryan was made a scapegoat in that sense. But on the other hand if nothing was done, and that act is deemed condoned, imagine how many such tweets will appear on players or manager's blog on a weekly or even daily basis. Imagine the pressure on the referees whose faces are on blogs everywhere with not-so-well-received comments and how can they even stand out to the pitch that weekend to officiate a match? my 2 cents Where does one draw the line between voicing and opinion and making an accusation though? Rather than taking action, I'd rather they look at prevention. Accusations that a ref is biased usually surface after fans watch replays and the ref was clearly wrong. This in turn can be attributed to FIFAs reluctance to introduce video replays. I'll stop here before I stray any further but you get the gist of it. For the sake of sticking to the thread title, I'll try to keep this discussion in the context of this incident. If I read you right, you are suggesting that the FA has clamp down on this to set and example. As it is they have been rather inconsistent in dealing with comments or accusations made verbally to the press. This in itself has led to accusations of favouratism practiced by the FA. If they do decide to make an example of Babel, they need to ensure that it is a blanket rule and that they punish any offender, regardless of reputation or status. Or, they can take this as a one-off and deal with each issue as it arises.
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Duke Red
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Jan 15 2011, 04:19 PM
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I will refrain from getting involved in this finger pointing exercise. I thought this would turn out to be a decent topic but there isn't much discussion to be had any longer.
My 2 cents on present an argument and counter arguments though. If someone presents "facts" or statistics, it is more credible if you counter with "facts" or statistics of your own. That way, a discussion or debate ensues.
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