Who resurrect this thread?
Must be full of raging hormones or 'mixed' emotions eh?
Just to be clear what this thread was all about I have summarised them here below!
Question here is that I have offered in general a
QUALITATIVE opinion especially on Webb's bias and or refereeing and the inordinate amount of favouritism to MU by FA's officials. Does it have any merits then &
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QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Jan 14 2011, 03:37 PM)
Let me be more succinct
Berba is known to dive. Yes he was booked before for diving.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...shois-yard.htmlSo IMO he is a serial diver. I have posted that in MU thread and have been warned that action will be taken against me if I say anymore negative things about MU players in their thread
Anyways most of us (non MU fans) agree that it shouldn't have been a penalty. That includes Liverpool players who are first account witnesses!
My point is that why and that of BABEL (our main protagonist in this thread) too does MU always get the rub of the green i.e.
Howard Webb apparently and without hesitation always give MU the ADVANTAGE (in this case a penalty & a Goal as a result) ?
And especially at OT. No?QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Jan 14 2011, 04:17 PM)
au contraire my friend my discussion is why Babel is not allowed to express his POV regarding Webb's ruling. Would it be fair of me to say that there is a bias or selective ruling for and against certain clubs or individuals. Whether its Berba or Nani or Scholes etc. the ruling is up to the FA official. If he is biased or prejudice in his ruling then shouldn't he be singled out when there is a preponderance amount of evidence indicating so
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8...6648615,00.htmlMost of you miss or neglect to discuss the 'sinister' twitterings of Neil Warnock & his players. Why no action against them? Yes Diouf is guilty of all thats being said.
Added on January 14, 2011, 4:21 pmLet me be clear I'm in the minority of City fans who think that de Jong is a thug. Thats my solid viewpoint after watching US-Holland friendly
I have discussed that here in this forum & elsewhere. And who was the referee in the de Jong bruce lee kick against Alonso?
QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Jan 14 2011, 07:15 PM)
Lets not
circumlocute whether Webb's penalty decision is right or the FA (ultimate 'Arbiter' as pointed out) punishment is fair & justice is seem to be meted fairly across the board.
Let me cite what this lawyer has to say
http://www.legalnewsupdate.co.uk/category/...-thomas-author/
Added on January 14, 2011, 7:19 pmDesmond Tutu
QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Jan 15 2011, 09:25 AM)
Our discussion here is why Babel (or any other footballer) is not allowed to express his POV regarding Webb's ruling. Would it be fair of me to say that there is a bias or selective ruling for and against certain clubs or individuals. Whether its Berba or Rio or Scholes or Gerrard or de Jong or Terry etc. the ruling is up to the FA official. If he is biased or prejudice in his ruling then shouldn't he be singled out when there is a preponderance amount of evidence indicating so especially Howard's performances at OT especially vis a vis Babel POV
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8...6648615,00.htmlQUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Jan 17 2011, 04:04 PM)
Everyone of us (including me) is critical of Webb not giving a red card to de Jong .
So won't it be hypocritical of us not to criticise his 'perfomances' especially at OT especially when there is a preponderant amount of
QUESTIONABLE calls given to MU?.
Look FA officials has been wronged before to wit 3 card Graham Poll. This ex-FA referee has been IMO exposed i.e. thru his dailymail columns shown to be 'very supportive' of MU players.
Remember Wiley being wronged by Fergie's tirade.
First witnesses account are most reliable hence why shouldn't players expressed their POVs.
To punish them is a Travesty of Justice. Thats what we should debate!
Question is are the first witnesses account reliable?
i.e. are the allegations (diving, cheating etc.) valid? If the evidence are proffered by us and 'if it fits why acquit'?
Can that be sidetracked?
I'm not the only one stating so!
QUOTE(CityBluePrint @ Jan 17 2011, 04:16 PM)
Look we want
Honesty & Integrity in the Game. Whats wrong with that?
For example
God willing, City win the title by pipping Arsenal or MU by 1 point.
We want to say City won the title honestly.
We don't want to say at the end of the season to say Arsenal should have won because they could have if Rio should have been red carded etc.
Or MU pipping Arsenal by 1 point when rightly Neville should have been sent off!
I think most of us (other than you MU 'fans') understand the thrust of my argument.
Players are important cogs of the game.
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'What is it about Howard Webb and Old Trafford' asked the front-page blurb of F365 after Sunday's rather
controversial FA Cup clash. Well now you can judge for yourself with our guide to his last ten matches at OT...
Man United 1 Man City 2, February 10, 2008
City's victory is more comfortable than the scoreline suggests - United score their goal in injury-time - and Webb
enjoys a relatively easy day at the office. The game marks the last time that United fail to win a game at Old Trafford
officiated by the Yorkshireman.
Man 2 United Arsenal 1, April 19, 2008
There is little argument from the Arsenal players - five of whom are booked during the 90 minutes - when William
Gallas handles in the area and Webb awards a penalty that sees Cristiano Ronaldo equalise from the spot. Ten
minutes later, Owen Hargreaves - remember him? - scores United's winner direct from a free-kick.
"You could give or not give the penalty. For the free-kick, Gilberto did not touch him," complains Arsene Wenger.
Man United 3 Chelsea 0, January 11, 2009
Less than 48 hours after Rafa Benitez advises Luiz Felipe Scolari to "man-mark" Ferguson and his coaching staff
at half-time so that the referee is protected from interference, Webb cautions four Chelsea players within half an
hour before a Nemanja Vidic header on the stroke of half-time sets United on their way to an emphatic victory.
Just moments before the Vidic goal, Webb had ruled out a Wayne Rooney 'goal' after United had taken a short
corner that went unnoticed by most spectators inside Old Trafford.
Man United 2 Blackburn 1, February 21, 2009
Webb disallows a Jonny Evans header and cautions Cristiano Ronaldo for diving shortly before the forward scores
the game's winning goal. Rovers complain afterwards that Ronaldo should have also been booked for flicking out - it
hardly amounts to a kick - at David Dunn but the game's most controversial moment occurs in the final seconds
when a clear shirt-pull inside the area by Rafael on Morten Gamst Pedersen goes unpunished.
"It would have to be pretty blatant to get a penalty at Old Trafford. We all know that," rages an angry Sam Allardyce.
"You'd have to ask Howard Webb if Ronaldo should have been on the pitch. Those things come and go when you're
playing at Old Trafford, don't they?"
Man United 5 Tottenham 2, April 24, 2009
In the words of the Daily Telegraph, 'it could have been the decision that secured United the championship'. United
are trailing 2-0 with barely half an hour left to play when Webb - 'who was almost 35 yards away, and behind play' -
awards a penalty when Heurelho Gomes tangles with Michael Carrick. Replays clearly show the goalkeeper took
ball before man. "The players can't believe it," says Harry Redknapp. "It changed the game." Momentum shifted,
Spurs collapse and United never looked back.
"I think it was a case of a referee crumbling under the pressure at Old Trafford really," complains Jermaine Jenas.
"The atmosphere, the occasion, the importance of the match, a lot of factors take their toll when making decisions.
One thing which struck me about it was that he didn't even think. It was like he'd already made his mind up when he
came out for the second half that he was going to give something. It was a very important moment in the season."
Man United 3 Man City 1, January 27, 2010
Webb makes his first return to Old Trafford since the Gomes controversy for the second-leg Carling Cup semi-final.
United eventually progress to Wembley courtesy of an injury-time aggregate winner from Wayne Rooney, but the
outcome could have been very different had Rio Ferdinand justifiably received his marching orders after 24 minutes
of play after a clash with Carlos Tevez.
In the words of the BBC match report, 'Ferdinand was fortunate to escape punishment from referee Howard Webb
when he caught the Argentine in the face with a swinging arm as they tussled for possession.'
Man United 2 Liverpool 1, March 21, 2010
Sir Alex Ferguson and Rafa Benitez clash on the touchline after Webb awards the home side a controversial 19th-
minute penalty that enables the champions to draw level after Fernando Torres' early opener.
With replays also showing that the initial contact between Javier Mascherano and Antonio Valencia occurred
outside of the box, Benitez accuses the United player of diving to win the penalty. Ferguson responds by applauding
Webb's decision and arguing Mascherano should have been dismissed. "Refs are professional but we know about
the influence of Sir Alex in everything," counters Benitez.
Man United 3 Liverpool 2, September 19, 2010
Though Liverpool claw their way back into the match through two disputed decisions, neither call is made by Webb.
"They didn't offer anything and depended on decisions from the linesman to get back in the game," notes Sir Alex.
With Darren Cann flagging for both infringements, and replays offering no evidence that Webb would have awarded
either the free-kick or the penalty from which Steven Gerrard scores, the referee's big decision of the day is whether
or not to dismiss last man John O'Shea for pulling back Fernando Torres.
As F365 argued at the time: 'The decision was taken quickly and apparently made without any consultation between
Webb and Darren Cann, his long-time assistant whose flag-waving prompted the award of a free-kick. Ref365
argues in support of Webb on the basis that replays 'suggest' Torres would not have reached the ball. Denied the
use of a replay, it must have been a 50-50 call from the officials and it's certainly debatable whether a defender
making such a cynical foul in the full knowledge that he was the last man deserved the benefit of any doubt.'
Man United 1 Arsenal 0, December 13, 2010
Cann is not on duty and it is Webb's new assistant Dave Bryan who awards United a second-half penalty for a non-
existent handball by Gael Clichy. Webb rubber-stamps the award and justice - or something close to it - is only
served when Rooney blazes over the ball.
Four of the visitors are cautioned over the course of the game, while Rio Ferdinand escapes punishment for a hip-
high, studs-up challenge on Bacary Sagna and Darren Fletcher isn't even cautioned for chasing after Webb before
pushing the official.
Man United 1 Liverpool 0, January 9, 2011
In sharp contrast to events six months previously, it is Webb, from a distance of around 25 yards, who awards
United their match-winning penalty for an alleged offence that occurs on almost exactly the same part of the pitch
that saw Cann award Liverpool their penalty at Old Trafford in September. Replays indicate that Berbatov falls to the
ground in an exaggerated fashion and show that Webb linesman did not signal that any foul took place. "The penalty
is a joke," says new Pool boss Kenny Dalglish.
The Scot is further aggrieved by Webb's decision to dismiss Steven Gerrard but there is little sympathy for the
Liverpool captain after his reckless lunge
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