Hi,

I think you might get the different theory as me. No offense taken please, we resumed it to be pure discussion.

If you are pairing an extra amplifier in your setup, it can be adding gain (higher volume) or resume the same gain power (make no difference of volume), Regardless on the volume, the soundstage can be wider, or remained the same, it is just how's the amp designer tuned on it.

If you get vibration on higher volume, it can be amplifier, headphone or your sources. Ok this is out, and generally we do not use this point to judge whether the headphone is good or bad, by louder the volume.

And if you get the "grand version" of your music, means you get the sound you wan, it can be coloured, and it can be V Shape with absent of mid, it can be high extended, it can be digital, or it can be musical (non-digital)it will not show how neutral the amp or the headphone.

Neutral is neutral, coloured is coloured, it still do not show whether the headphone are good, or bad. It is purely on how you demand your desired sound. Nothing wrong with colored, or nothing good to be neutral. That is just to be fair to everyone

Ok all this have out of the topic. We can resumed the discussion. I m just curious on how this headphone sound, so i raised some question, but i think i managed to get my answer from your reply. Thanks for your effort of this review

This post has been edited by yuheng: Jan 14 2011, 12:39 AM

lol the headphones looks like an egg....its oval in the pics...

the drivers , well can really tell, but its gonna sound typical I guess

I am not a sifu anyway. Here is just some point of view.

When you listen to a sound, if you can hardly tell whether it is warm or bright, then this sound in a sence means neutral to you. But it might be different to others.

Why involve E5? Because without E5's Bass Mode, my system sound a bit less in bass to me. In HIFI world, you can get the bass quantity that you want through the speakers positioning. But we can not achive that in headphones world.

Headphones sounds digitally, really? I am not sure, still new as a headphonist. In my life I never heard a loudspeakers sound digitally on its own. Provided the sky bomb priced player is very much "analouge" or natural in sound. Why it can become "digital" sound through a pair of headphones. I just do not understand!

If you own a High End player means you need a High End power conditioner, High End power cables, High End racks, High End headphones amplifier, High End interconnect cable, High End headphones, High End headphones cable and a credit card "swipeable" to 100k . It is that simple! LOL!

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Added on January 14, 2011, 4:04 amThanks for your concerns! I appreciate that!

If we have a chance to own an ultimate headphone system or home audio system. What will you expect? Let me tell you my answer first: I hope it can be as "real" as possibe in music reproduction. "real" is "real", threre is nothing do with colouration! I can take a coloured system or headphones because I have to compromise. The reason is I can not afford a 500k Hifi setup. Sad!

I never expect my idea of getting E5 involved can become an issue!

Perhaps I should let my system to "answer" the remaing questions!

I will organize a small appreation gathering for this China Combo(more correctly, it is a Trio actually! LOL!). Guys! If you are interested or you have a better idea, please let me know.

Will post a thread as invitation in future, probably after Chinese New Year. See you later, guys!



This post has been edited by yapte: Jan 14 2011, 04:04 AM

In fact i never doubt of why you using a E5, i just conclude that your headphone character are not bassy type, Coz after E5 it still sound neutral to you. That is the only thing i said if you wan to refer back to my post.

ok, let cut it now. Maybe we can have a face meet, it clear all the doubts then Enjoy your new music

hi there, no problemo, just a healthy discussion, im still on learning process as well.

neutral sound, if you mean if whether cant tell whether it is warm or bright, it is consider neutral sound,
what if i cant tell warm or bright, but the headphone presented with alot sparkling high, or muffled mid low, overpowering bass, it is consider neutral as per you explained?


yea i had tried some headphone, example if you said player with ana sound, but what if one of the element in the chain caused the digital sounding?
the headphone,amp,dac, do it still mean the expansive player problem?
in player i can mean on expensive portable music player, not necessary CDP.

in hifi world, the most easiest way to achive bass , most important is how you tune your system, not a must for positioning management, because it's just a part of it, cable, harmonix, amp, power,cdp and many more can be the issue.

just my humble opinion

Can anyone has Ipod Shuffle enlighten me... Can it play Apple lossless format? I don't own one thus I don't know.

First of all, the deficiency that you are saying, least treble etc are originated from your Ipod Shuffle DAC for sure. Thus the reviews cannot be consider fully justified.

Do you have other headphones that you can compare with? Did you burn in before you test?

If it is a direct copy of DT880, the signature should be 'more neutral' and has some treble overwhelming issues. Have you tried a real DT880 before?

This post has been edited by walabies: Jan 14 2011, 12:09 PM

can you put some other headphones in the review for comparison?

it's meaningless to say 'treble is good, etc, etc' without comparison, because the reader cannot imagine how the headphone sounds like

*just my 2 cents

Any direct comparison between HI2050 and HD668B?

Please go through my thread properly. I never said anything about least treble. I just said it is not so refine!

I own SUPERLUX HD668B & HD681, PHILIPS SHP8900.

I never tried DT880 before. To me, HI2050 is just one of my headphones and it is not a direct copy for sure(please take a browse on their website if you can read chinese).

Why not have a listen to how it performs rather than keep attacking?

If people laugh or even despise on my thread, that is not so important because I am just an enthusiat who want to share some impression.

But you are different, walabies! You are representing the most pioneer headphones specialist store in this country. Every comment you made, people will pay more attention. Because you are exposing yourself what kind of standard you have or how good you are in this business.

More importantly, please show us your well demeanour rather than keep attacking other's product like a lousy salesman!

It really sounds offended, I know. But no regrets!

Let stop the war now. Please continued with the discussion. So sorry if you felt offended, we seriously do not wish you to have this feeling, We just wish to understand more on the products and we might be able to sell it as well

Sorry and please continued with the discussion.

This post has been edited by yuheng: Jan 15 2011, 10:09 AM

After 2nd thought I think I might have asked too much questions. No offense, I just want to know more about this headphone. Who knows it is good we might carry it next time? As a seller I must be more open minded.

Wow, how come TS so "emotional" about Yuheng and Walabies' questions? I read through the whole thread, I still think they never critic on your headphone or your set up but you seems to be over sensitive on their quiries.

If TS's aim is not to share your finding on the phone, what for you start the thread? Might perhaps just start a selling thread.

Again, I got nothing against TS nor siding Yuheng or Walabies, I just feel its unfair to them when you reali "against" them.

I received my HD668B not long ago. This is just a first impression before it gets full running in.

It is more transparent and gentle compare to HI2050.

I agree with those users modifiy their HD668B by BLUE TAC because the damping of this headphones is a bit light.

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Added on January 17, 2011, 4:56 pmIf you ever ask the audiophile sifus, what is the most important thing in HIFI? They will tell you one answer: "room acoustics".

It means if you do not own a proper treated listen room, your sytem might sound good but never at its best! Luckily we are headphonist, hew!

Perhaps in headphones world, people referring the "not so natural sound" as digital sound, I think.

This post has been edited by yapte: Jan 17 2011, 04:56 PM