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post Jan 25 2011, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Jan 25 2011, 05:43 PM)
like u said. if the club knows that someone better is ahead of that youngster, why bother bringing 'em over at the 1st place when they're young? their progress will onli be dented by lack of 1st team action. all these kinda of stocking young players without playing 'em sometimes really irritates me, even i'm a fan of mu. buy when they're young, sell when not performing/not upto club's standard. wtf mang? seriously. see manucho + Dong + david bellion for starters. i'm seriously casting my doubts over those coaches/scouts that prompted saf/gill in getting 'em in at the 1st place. mark my words, the diouf fler currently on loan at rovers will be gone, just the matter of time. i just dun see him playing for us in the near future.

now dun gimme crap about some players are meant for backup/rotation and not 1st team materials. that's utter bollox.

just look at those clubs that frank arnesan (spell?) been to. how many of those youngsters that he brought in actually plying their trade in those teams?? i'd say none.

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Read Wan's post back. Read carefully.

With kids, it is like a lottery. You'll never know. Can anyone tell me that Ronaldo will win BPITW award back then? Or even being an integral part of Man Utd? None! All I know that, most of us were criticizing him for being one trick pony. With kids, you'll need patience and time in order to groom them.

Same can be said with Class of 92. No one knows that they will turn up great. FYI, this is the policy of the club. To spot and groom talents.


Added on January 25, 2011, 5:58 pm
QUOTE(Pain_X @ Jan 25 2011, 05:50 PM)
But think about it,we already have so many potentially great youngsters among our ranks. Its true that it doesnt hurt to go get all the best youngsters in the world and out of that bunch,at least a few will make it. Besides,we're talking about a fee around 10 million pounds here.. I havent watched a single game of this chamberlain guy and i dont wanna see youtube videos to judge him,but 10 million for a 17 year old is veryyy hefty. In a way its good to snatch youngsters away from our rivals,i'd like to see all our young players prosper too,but the fee just seems a little too high for a 17 year old kid who hasnt proven anything yet.

Im still on the fence with this one,but its true that if there's an opportunity to get a talented kid who's also wanted by our rivals,its definitely better if sign him. My only issue is the price tag.

EDIT : Oh sorry,2 issues. The second one being his position in the team. If he's not really needed and we already have cover/young players making a mark in that position,then why sign him..? Im talking about Cleverly who's showing his class at the moment.
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He has been with the academy since young. We signed him before we even signed Hargreaves, Anderson or Carrick for that matter.

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post Jan 25 2011, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Jan 25 2011, 06:03 PM)
Yeah i meant we have Cleverly now who's gonna shine undoubtedly and IINM,chamerlain plays the same role. We have another youngster at CM,his name escapes me at the moment. The thing about signing kids is that we hardly ever see the impact,be it positive or negative. They get maybe 5-10 games through cameo appearances and the rest are either in Cup games or reserve games so the only people who actually can comment about it are the coaches or people who follow the whole scene.
I agree its a lottery,we can even say that about any transfer for that matter. But calculating the risk,factor in the cost,consider the potential and finally try accommodating any youngster into a massive squad and it becomes a lot trickier,am i right? smile.gif
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Are you talking about Eikrem? He went to Molde with Ole.

Or do you mean for Ravel Morrison? 17years old. Still young. The way we do it is to assimilate youngsters alongside experienced first XI. Otherwise, you could start to follow Arsenal. laugh.gif
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post Jan 25 2011, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Jan 25 2011, 08:33 PM)
Sure,like you said,its a lottery. Actually its a moot point if you ask me,you cant predict who'll make it and who wont. The very best coaches and managers can spot gems and shape them into incredibly valuable players,but at the same time,you get a lot average players who end up playing for mid table or 2nd division clubs. Of course it doesnt affect any of us if the club chooses to spend 10 mil on a young player like that,but if the coaching staff think the kid is worth that much,there must be something to it right?

The thing that gets me is the 10 mil. We recently spent 7 mil on an unknown Bebe and sure,he's young but we havent see enough of him. Granted,the opportunity hasnt come yet but use this same example for most players who cost millions yet hardly feature.

We all understand that the Academy IS meant for shaping those kids into professionals,and the long term returns CAN be great,however if we have 10 mil to spend,why dont get a player who can fit in and help our midfield immediately?

Whatever said and done,i understand where youre coming from,and im not disagreeing with you,just that we have a slightly different view as to this matter smile.gif
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Okay, which established player would cost us 10mil pounds? Are you talking about a certain dutchman? Are you guys still bitter about that?

Let me put in a simpler words. We are Man Utd. Manchester fecking United. That is a BIG name.

Let me put some perspective into your thoughts. Remember a certain Michael Carrick? Or Owen Hargreaves for that matter.

Why did we bought them for? To partner Scholes. Right? Do you know that Carrick only cost Spurs a measly 3m pounds from West Ham? How much did we pay for him? Almost 18m pounds? Isn't that right? Do you know why? First, he is English. And we ARE Manchester United. Same can be said about Owen Hargreaves. Around 17m pounds. Why? Bayern Munich got him when he was a teen.

English? That's why Carrick was costly? Okay. Let me put a certain Dimitar Berbatov whom was bought by Spurs around 10-12m pounds. And how much did we ended up paying for him? Almost triple of that initial fee that cost Spurs. Now, can you see clearly?

That would be the cause and that debt issue. No matter how clever of SAF trying to shush the media about it but 700m is no small amount. Is not that I am saying that we don't have the money at all, WE DO HAVE MONEY. The fact that we could afford to pay 10m pounds for Smalling is an evidence of it. It is just, we need to be sure that those purchases will really benefit us in terms of value for money.

If SAF went on make an another 30m odd purchases, I can see most of us complaint like we did with Berba. whistling.gif

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post Jan 25 2011, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Jan 25 2011, 09:16 PM)
and if we need anyone's replacement it would be scholes but its not him(3 others are3 ready for him), we know he will retire at some pt.the truth is we need a replacement for owen actually.if he doesnt make it that would be the spot the gaffers looking to replace.
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If you noticed, SAF did mention that he would love to bring some one in but due to that person being cup tied, he didn't. Who could that be?

And it is believed that SAF is monitoring Henderson's situation in Sunderland.
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post Jan 25 2011, 10:09 PM

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I don't think Carrick has been THAT bad. He is brilliant in defensive matter. After all, he is not a direct replacement of Keano. I dunno about his passing boots, but to belittle his contribution in being the third CB is somewhat foolish.

On Fletcher, yes. He has been poor but the form is getting back little by little. Furthermore, you can't totally blame the midfield if we aren't winning matches convincingly. If you could recall, we won a lot of matches by 1-nil scorelines back then. No one was complaining.

If you would like someone to be scrutinize, pick Rooney. He has been shite most of the season. But, he was out with injury earlier. And only recently we can see his coming to form. The way I see it, it is like this, we always rely on our wingers and strikers to produce those scoring chances. While our CMs will pop up with some goals, but they aren't our direct source of goals. It has been like that since back then.


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QUOTE(sheng @ Jan 25 2011, 10:03 PM)
in games such as everton and fulham ,  we dropped points mostly because of defensive lost of concentration during the dying minutes, to blame the midfield being hot and cold is pretty harsh, wut if nani scored that penalty against fulham? if we drop points, the whole team should shoulder the blame.
of course, midfield is a vital part of the game, but so is the strikers and defenders. if u control the midfield but ur striker is doing a kanu, there's no point to it.
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This reminds me of what Berba mentioned earlier of the season. The defenders need to buck up in order to win matches. Strikers could score goals but they would count for nothing if goals are conceded easily at the other end.

Thank god, defenders are turning up now.

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post Jan 25 2011, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(alien2003 @ Jan 25 2011, 10:15 PM)
Very true. When we were conceding goals for fun few months back, I actually missed those "1-0" wins we had last time. It might not be very pretty to watch but at least the defense at that time was rock solid and provides less heart attack  biggrin.gif

For Rooney, he needs his provider Valencia back then he will get the headers run going again!  laugh.gif
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Meh, Rooney missed an easy one against Brums last Saturday. Was a fine cross by Nani. tongue.gif
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post Jan 26 2011, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(SGSuser @ Jan 26 2011, 12:06 AM)
feel so bad for korea republic...penalties are so cruel
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Tell that to John Terry. laugh.gif

I was so sure that the Korean GK will save a couple of shots. But, he didn't. laugh.gif

On the brightside, we could have Ji back. brows.gif
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:22 AM

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See the importance of Michael Carrick now? Scholes being the man in front of CBs is not helping. Both Fletch and Gibbo strolling around the park and not helping the cause. This could be very our first defeat of the season.
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:26 AM

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LOL. No need for knee-jerk reactions. We had this coming. It is just a matter of time.
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:29 AM

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Rafael was at the post. He couldn't head out the ball.

Looks like the defenders didn't turn up. And our third CB is not playing. Maybe out because of a knock last Saturday. And we're playing 4-3-3?
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:32 AM

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QUOTE(redscorpion @ Jan 26 2011, 04:31 AM)
well then pray hard for it to happen again
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This. laugh.gif
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post Jan 26 2011, 04:35 AM

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QUOTE(FieryAeon @ Jan 26 2011, 04:33 AM)
No, if you watch the replay he moved away from the post before trying to go back. By then it was too late. Do check before refuting.
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I watched the replay. The ball was just over his head. Besides it was a free header for DJ Campbell. Why is he the one to be blamed? If that's the case, blame VDS for not challenging for the ball? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:36 AM

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QUOTE(zsezsespeck @ Jan 26 2011, 05:20 AM)
10 minutes o.O
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Holloway's time? Not Fergie's time anymore. laugh.gif

Haters be hating with us pulling a win out of nothing. Champions material there.

We played very very well after the introduction of Giggsy. Finally, someone truly hugged the line and pumped the ball in. Thank god for Berba and Chicharito.

5 points of the top with one game to spare. This has been a very very good match.

BTW, I hate that guy Charlie Adam. Why wasn't he got carded with that elbow on Evra?
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:40 AM

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QUOTE(roti-terbakar @ Jan 26 2011, 05:38 AM)
Because that guy is Liverpool's bound.

I'm gonna get killed after this.  biggrin.gif
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That was what I'm thinking of too. LOL.

He did put on a show in the first half.
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Jan 26 2011, 05:39 AM)
I was quite surprised and annoyed that SAF took Rooney off and brought on Chicharito. He knew what we needed that time huh? Thank god! biggrin.gif
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Clearly we needed him after no one leads the line. Rooney was supposed to do that when SAF instructed him so in the first half.

In this case, Hernandez should start ahead of Rooney. With Scholesy playing, I can only imagine both of them trying to beat the offside traps.

Oh well, team selection, initially could be questioned. Baffled with SAF's decision to play Gibbo when we clearly need to win this. Luckily he made the changes as early as halftime. Really paid off.

Good job to the team after that hideous first half. And speedy recovery to Rafael.
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:46 AM

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QUOTE(michael_liew @ Jan 26 2011, 05:42 AM)
this just shows ferguson that he shudnt simply shift players out of position
n let alone let the stupid gibshitson in the starting lineup
his nt man u material or gud enuf
lucky n i really mean lucky that we won this match 3 goals in 15 mins
luck n devil is really on our side
well done 2 berba for reaching 20 tongue.gif
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You should stop calling names. It is not proper. As much as frustrated as you do, calling names isn't a good resort.

Shame on you. And Man U? rclxub.gif
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:51 AM

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QUOTE(Wan @ Jan 26 2011, 05:45 AM)
As we saw, he somehow had to counter Blackpool's midfield. So it was 3 in the middle. Carrick injured, Ando not fully fit, so we're left with Scholes and Fletcher. No way Giggs would play alongside Scholes in the middle. So Gibson is the next in line.
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Well maybe he thought by starting 4-3-3, he could get Rooney back to his groove. Didn't pay off and we were overplayed all over the park.

I woke up a bit late and only started to watch the match after 5 mins being played. Was baffled to see Gibbo there. After all, we do know that Blackpool is capable of upsets. So, it was a bit of gamble there.

Anyway, job is done and this is our 3rd away win of the season. Wooohooo. That is something to be celebrated about. laugh.gif
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:57 AM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Jan 26 2011, 05:53 AM)
well its bye for giggs now...for the cup match that is.after the huge 50 odd min today he needs more then 7 days to recharge.

agreed on adams price tag, but after today i doubt it should be £10m, with his level of play £15m is a good starting price.
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4m is an understatement of Adam, really.

We could rest Giggs and play those youngsters. Obertan to step up? Perhaps. I could see Fabio playing on the weekends as well. Rooney will certainly play in order to get his form back. Midfield wise, it could be tricky. I have that feeling whereby SAF will pull a lot of changes to first XI against Southampton this weekend.

Will Lindegaard play in this one? Or PIG?
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post Jan 26 2011, 05:59 AM

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QUOTE(radio_head @ Jan 26 2011, 05:55 AM)
15m? you're having a laugh.

nothing more then 7-8m
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I agree with that. The most would 10m?
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post Jan 26 2011, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(roti-terbakar @ Jan 26 2011, 05:57 AM)
Bz watching youtubes of CR I guess. Sometime it pays, sometimes its frustrating.
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This. At times he overdid things as in fact he could just play an early cross. By the time he wanted to cross, the 6 yard box is already filled with people. laugh.gif

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