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TSrollover
post Jan 6 2011, 09:03 AM, updated 15y ago

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I searched and didn't find much info on this on LYN. Just wondering if anyone's had much experience working in China specifically Beijing. I've been offered a post in Beijing but it's not a full expat position so while I get flights, housing and medical insurance, food and transportation are on me. I've googled and it seems like the cost of living is maybe 30% higher than KL but not outrageous.

Any other things I should be aware of? Anyone living there now?

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post Jan 6 2011, 09:14 AM

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Help you to bump..

I have no exp to work and stay there ..
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post Jan 6 2011, 09:27 AM

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Beware of the food over there.

Its usually laced with so much chemicals that some foodstuff are actually chemically manufactured foodstuff rather then something "natural".

Just recently there was a report which leaked out how they can chemically counterfeit eggs and they even sell the dvd to teach you how to do it.
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post Jan 6 2011, 10:30 AM

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How big is the salary? Are u engineer?
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post Jan 6 2011, 10:41 AM

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Wages is high/good!
But the foods in China is bad and its dirty only.People unfrenly.The others is ok~
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post Jan 6 2011, 11:01 AM

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Advantage: BIG salary and bonus

Disadvantage: Leave ur family & friends, lover. Alone and lonely. People there not so friendly and good with u also got purpose. Air polution and food poison. High expenses. Stress. Dangerous. If u are engineer, I afraid they ask u do alot of dangerous thing on the site. No insurance coverage from company if something happened.
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post Jan 6 2011, 12:18 PM

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For groceries and locally made goods, prices are like Malaysia 5 years back. That's assuming you shop where the locals get their daily necessities. Eating out, depends on location and type of food. It's just like KL, can range from very cheap to very expensive.

All imported goods will be much more expensive if compared to Malaysia. And don't think that all locally made goods are cheap. There are many brands that are highly expensive.

Major cut throat cost would be housing, but since you've got it covered, no worries.
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post Jan 6 2011, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(Bla bla bla @ Jan 6 2011, 11:01 AM)
Advantage: BIG salary and bonus

Disadvantage: Leave ur family & friends, lover. Alone and lonely. People there not so friendly and good with u also got purpose. Air polution and food poison. High expenses. Stress. Dangerous. If u are engineer, I afraid they ask u do alot of dangerous thing on the site. No insurance coverage from company if something happened.
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Thanks, the wages are still under negotiation but hopefully it'll be good. How much is BIG here? It looks as if it'll only be around 1500-2500€
which to be honest isn't much by Beijing/Shanghai standards. sad.gif At least they'll be covering flights and accommodation for me and my family along with medical and insurance coverage. I'm doing IT stuff, dealing more with outsourcing so I don't expect to be doing dangerous stuff biggrin.gif

The food quality is worrying, will have to keep that in mind. I've been following the Beijinger for now, lots of info there so far.

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post Jan 6 2011, 12:33 PM

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That's not bad, considering your flights and lodging is already paid for!

Other living costs ain't that high, I'm assuming you are a Chinese and know how to get around. You are not white guy who can't speak/read Chinese and need to buy food at the imported section of Carrefour / go for coffee at Starbucks / etc.

I believe you'll be taking the subway and buses too.

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post Jan 6 2011, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(entryman @ Jan 6 2011, 12:33 PM)
Other living costs ain't that high, I'm assuming you are a Chinese and know how to get around. You are not white guy who can't speak/read Chinese and need to buy food at the imported section of Carrefour / go for coffee at Starbucks / etc.

I believe you'll be taking the subway and buses too.
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Haha no I'm Malay and don't speak/read chinese biggrin.gif I don't expect food to be a big problem unless the quality is really going to be bad. But I am preparing for the worst in terms of the pollution and air quality. Air filters seem to be the way to go in apartments but they're expensive...

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post Jan 6 2011, 06:04 PM

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hi Rollover,
never been working in China but it would interest me to know whether you need a greencard and if you have to join a lottery to get it. The answers for my questions related to the U.S. can be found here:
http://www.green-card.com/greencard-lottery

Thanks ahead
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QUOTE(rollover @ Jan 6 2011, 03:58 PM)
Haha no I'm Malay and don't speak/read chinese biggrin.gif I don't expect food to be a big problem unless the quality is really going to be bad. But I am preparing for the worst in terms of the pollution and air quality. Air filters seem to be the way to go in apartments but they're expensive...
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Lol. blush.gif Then I suggest you get a crash course in speaking Mandarin, e.g. Pimsleur.

It will do you a lot of benefit. One clear example would be stronger relationships.

As to it being expensive, some things are just investments that you can't do away with, don't skimp on things that are closely related to your well being, especially if you're in a foreign country. You can save alot by cooking yourself, by not eating out at lavish places, by not going for designer goods, etc.

Oh another thing, luckily you're Malay, and I assume Muslim, if not... you'll have to buy lots of liver tonics, vitamin D, etc. Expect to be downing a lot of shots. Being Muslim good excuse not to, save lots of money, haha. But I'm not sure how that will affect your career though, haven't been to that stage myself yet smile.gif
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post Jan 6 2011, 07:48 PM

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Watch out for the tax. IIRC, foreigners who reside in China for more than 183 days are classified as tax residents and must pay tax on both their China-derived AND foreign-derived income. Do Google for the exact application if you have significant current income already in Malaysia etc. like dividends, rental etc. It could become taxable in China if you become a Chinese tax resident. Imagine the poetic justice if your Amanah Saham Bumiputra dividend is tax free in Malaysia but taxable in China.

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post Jan 6 2011, 08:16 PM

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I think for his 2000 euros it's around the bracket of 20%.
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post Jan 6 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jan 6 2011, 07:48 PM)
Watch out for the tax. IIRC, foreigners who reside in China for more than 183 days are classified as tax residents and must pay tax on both their China-derived AND foreign-derived income. Do Google for the exact application if you have significant current income already in Malaysia etc. like dividends, rental etc. It could become taxable in China if you become a Chinese tax resident. Imagine the poetic justice if your Amanah Saham Bumiputra dividend is tax free in Malaysia but taxable in China.
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Ah thanks, I've not read the taxation stuff very closely but double taxation sucks big time. I will have income in Malaysia and the US, this is going to be a headache cry.gif Will check with the company to find out.


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QUOTE(entryman @ Jan 6 2011, 07:30 PM)
Lol.  blush.gif  Then I suggest you get a crash course in speaking Mandarin, e.g. Pimsleur.
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Yep, I have Pimsleur and have already started practicing putonghua biggrin.gif


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post Jan 7 2011, 01:34 AM

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how much is your current pay in Malaysia? other than the housing allowance and base pay of 2k+ euros, no other perks? hmm.gif
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post Jan 7 2011, 04:59 AM

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Beijing, i'd say its better than KL. except the people there, the air is not as polluted, about food, u might have some problem
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post Jan 7 2011, 09:22 AM

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I'm going there next month.

Anyone there?
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post Jan 7 2011, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ Jan 7 2011, 09:22 AM)
I'm going there next month.

Anyone there?
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You going for? Travel? Long term / short term work?

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I'm about 1400 KM away (south), lol.
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post Jan 7 2011, 09:43 AM

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I worked there before...food wise,got expensive one and cheap one lor,if you can mix in then normally the food is not a problem,transportation is better than malaysia if you are not driving,the subway system is quite complete,transportation not expensive at all,taking bus is like 1rmb,subway is 2 rmb...most of the spending is on the place you stay
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:00 AM

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All Good but?...as usual there is always a But !!!!

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post Jan 7 2011, 11:28 AM

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is it expensive to have a mistress there? fulltime, stay together.
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QUOTE(Kravo @ Jan 7 2011, 11:28 AM)
is it expensive to have a mistress there? fulltime, stay together.
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seriously?mistress is not a job la...zzzz...can try to get a gf that is still studying in uni la,gave her place to stay and have her bringin u around the city,dont know how much it costs though

most of the thing are good,the "but" is the crowd
all places are crowded,please notice i didnt say "most of the places"
if you plan to go out during weekend,good luck and have fun squeeze yourself into public transport like a sardine in a can
if you have car,you will stuck in the jam,traffic in beijing is crazy
if you are a photographer,every photo you take,there will be people

if you really want to go to places like the forbidden city or great wall, i will advise you go at weekday, the crowd will be lesser
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QUOTE(pufferfish @ Jan 7 2011, 02:28 PM)
seriously?mistress is not a job la...zzzz...
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if you plan to go out during weekend,good luck and have fun squeeze yourself into public transport like a sardine in a can
if you have car,you will stuck in the jam,traffic in beijing is crazy
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i'm serious. no, i'm not talking about job as mistress. i'm interested to know what's the costing to have a sex partner while working there.

how about bike or bicycle for short distance travelling? or the air is very bad/dirty?
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 7 2011, 01:34 AM)
how much is your current pay in Malaysia? other than the housing allowance and base pay of 2k+ euros, no other perks? hmm.gif
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This is a sort of a 6-month look and see period for me. If the folks in Beijing like me and I like Beijing then there's another negotiation obviously to continue my services there.

For now my salary in Malaysia is continuing. How much it is? It quite a bit more than the 2k euro allowance they're providing. The additional allowance is there for food, transportation and "hardship" which admittedly isn't much. What I'm trying to negotiate flight for me and family to Beijing, an apartment in a decent expat location with the normal facilities, language lessons and maybe a car/driver but given the terrible traffic I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be driving around biggrin.gif

What I've learned so far:
- lots of people everywhere all the time
- good apartments are expensive
- learning Mandarin is a good idea biggrin.gif
- traffic is bad
- subways are good and cheap, crowded during rush hours but reasonable otherwise
- cost of living is about the same as KL
- food quality can be bad
- air pollution is bad, get a good quality air filter for the apartment and 3M facemasks
- cycling is an option but could be dangerous depending on where you go
- there is double taxation if staying more than 183 days
- power supply is 220V/50Hz similar to Malaysia but the plugs are similar to Japan/Europe
- mistresses are expensive biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(entryman @ Jan 7 2011, 09:28 AM)
You going for? Travel? Long term / short term work?

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I'm about 1400 KM away (south), lol.
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Short business visit.

u r too far sweat.gif
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post Jan 7 2011, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(rollover @ Jan 7 2011, 03:35 PM)
What I've learned so far:
- lots of people everywhere all the time <- Yep. Not sure about Beijing, but population of Shanghai can be considered as equivalent to Malaysia. And there are many other cities in China that are like that.
- good apartments are expensive <- Even small apartments are expensive!
- learning Mandarin is a good idea biggrin.gif <- It is not only a good idea, it's imperative.
- traffic is bad <- and you won't get used to the driving style for at least 5 months. It's horrible, much worse than kiasu malaysians, but of course, not as bad as India. You'll probably get a huge shock, sitting in a cab for the first time/trying to cross the street. By the way it's left hand drive.
- subways are good and cheap, crowded during rush hours but reasonable otherwise <- they are always on time (based on personal experience). and expect Malaysian ones to be a miniature toy, as over there, there are many routes (well connected), and it could be very confusing for the first timer, since majority of words/people to ask are in Chinese.
- cost of living is about the same as KL
- food quality can be bad <- it's just like KL, there are plenty good food, and plenty bad food. Just that China's land area is larger so you have more travelling to do.
- air pollution is bad, get a good quality air filter for the apartment and 3M facemasks <- good quality standalone water filter too in addition to the fixed rocket filter that might already be provided by your landlord.
- cycling is an option but could be dangerous depending on where you go <- cycling is dangerous anywhere on Chinese roads, except in and around your own housing estate/apartment area.
- there is double taxation if staying more than 183 days
- power supply is 220V/50Hz similar to Malaysia but the plugs are similar to Japan/Europe <- not a worry. the normal extension plugs (rack) are widely available and can support Malaysian plugheads. You can also buy a small portable converter head (approx RM30) that would allow you to bring your laptop anywhere.

- mistresses are expensive biggrin.gif <- mistresses are potentially detrimental to family life and career development, if they become cunning and demand ransom money from you to shut up. "Massage centres" would be a better and safer alternative, if you know what I mean, lol sorry if you're offended.
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yea,having mistress can be dangerous,if she decided to cheat on you,one day u get home and everything went missing,or middle of the night some guys rush into ur room and claim that the gal is his wife and the rest of the stories you can imagine la

air,depends where u stay,the petrol they used is better than malaysia,so the emission of gas from the car is very little,plus since olympic game,all the factories are forced to close down within the city center
but outside of city center is another story,air is polluted
overall, the quality of air is slightly better than KL

if not staying in hotel or going to rent an apartment and stay there,remember to report yourself to police station,its ok also if you didnt report,but if you ever need to go to renew your visa in china,you will need that paper,or if you going to report police for any cause,you dont have that you will be in trouble
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Here's my thoughts as i'm already staying in Shanghai for half a year. It's really not as bad as people say. You've just gotta learn to adapt to the people here. You'll find they're not really as bad as people say.

By the way, the girls here might be gorgeous and all, but you don't want to mess around with them. There is just something about their persistency that makes me feel uncomfortable around them. And from what i heard, they might be nice to you before they hook you, once they've got you 'pregnancy' or whatnot, you'll know who REALLY HOLDS the upper hand..

 

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