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TSrollover
post Jan 6 2011, 09:03 AM, updated 15y ago

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I searched and didn't find much info on this on LYN. Just wondering if anyone's had much experience working in China specifically Beijing. I've been offered a post in Beijing but it's not a full expat position so while I get flights, housing and medical insurance, food and transportation are on me. I've googled and it seems like the cost of living is maybe 30% higher than KL but not outrageous.

Any other things I should be aware of? Anyone living there now?

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post Jan 6 2011, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(Bla bla bla @ Jan 6 2011, 11:01 AM)
Advantage: BIG salary and bonus

Disadvantage: Leave ur family & friends, lover. Alone and lonely. People there not so friendly and good with u also got purpose. Air polution and food poison. High expenses. Stress. Dangerous. If u are engineer, I afraid they ask u do alot of dangerous thing on the site. No insurance coverage from company if something happened.
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Thanks, the wages are still under negotiation but hopefully it'll be good. How much is BIG here? It looks as if it'll only be around 1500-2500€
which to be honest isn't much by Beijing/Shanghai standards. sad.gif At least they'll be covering flights and accommodation for me and my family along with medical and insurance coverage. I'm doing IT stuff, dealing more with outsourcing so I don't expect to be doing dangerous stuff biggrin.gif

The food quality is worrying, will have to keep that in mind. I've been following the Beijinger for now, lots of info there so far.

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post Jan 6 2011, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(entryman @ Jan 6 2011, 12:33 PM)
Other living costs ain't that high, I'm assuming you are a Chinese and know how to get around. You are not white guy who can't speak/read Chinese and need to buy food at the imported section of Carrefour / go for coffee at Starbucks / etc.

I believe you'll be taking the subway and buses too.
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Haha no I'm Malay and don't speak/read chinese biggrin.gif I don't expect food to be a big problem unless the quality is really going to be bad. But I am preparing for the worst in terms of the pollution and air quality. Air filters seem to be the way to go in apartments but they're expensive...

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post Jan 6 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(seantang @ Jan 6 2011, 07:48 PM)
Watch out for the tax. IIRC, foreigners who reside in China for more than 183 days are classified as tax residents and must pay tax on both their China-derived AND foreign-derived income. Do Google for the exact application if you have significant current income already in Malaysia etc. like dividends, rental etc. It could become taxable in China if you become a Chinese tax resident. Imagine the poetic justice if your Amanah Saham Bumiputra dividend is tax free in Malaysia but taxable in China.
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Ah thanks, I've not read the taxation stuff very closely but double taxation sucks big time. I will have income in Malaysia and the US, this is going to be a headache cry.gif Will check with the company to find out.


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QUOTE(entryman @ Jan 6 2011, 07:30 PM)
Lol.  blush.gif  Then I suggest you get a crash course in speaking Mandarin, e.g. Pimsleur.
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Yep, I have Pimsleur and have already started practicing putonghua biggrin.gif


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post Jan 7 2011, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 7 2011, 01:34 AM)
how much is your current pay in Malaysia? other than the housing allowance and base pay of 2k+ euros, no other perks? hmm.gif
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This is a sort of a 6-month look and see period for me. If the folks in Beijing like me and I like Beijing then there's another negotiation obviously to continue my services there.

For now my salary in Malaysia is continuing. How much it is? It quite a bit more than the 2k euro allowance they're providing. The additional allowance is there for food, transportation and "hardship" which admittedly isn't much. What I'm trying to negotiate flight for me and family to Beijing, an apartment in a decent expat location with the normal facilities, language lessons and maybe a car/driver but given the terrible traffic I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be driving around biggrin.gif

What I've learned so far:
- lots of people everywhere all the time
- good apartments are expensive
- learning Mandarin is a good idea biggrin.gif
- traffic is bad
- subways are good and cheap, crowded during rush hours but reasonable otherwise
- cost of living is about the same as KL
- food quality can be bad
- air pollution is bad, get a good quality air filter for the apartment and 3M facemasks
- cycling is an option but could be dangerous depending on where you go
- there is double taxation if staying more than 183 days
- power supply is 220V/50Hz similar to Malaysia but the plugs are similar to Japan/Europe
- mistresses are expensive biggrin.gif


 

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