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post Dec 22 2010, 10:32 AM, updated 15y ago

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A good article to share with fellow Forumers...

TV specs to ignore
By David Katzmaier, CNET.com
Dec 21, 2010
Today's HDTV spec sheets are littered with confusing information, and much of it is worthless. Here we present the major offenders and recommend you simply ignore these specs when making your purchase decision. Manufacturers include most of this information in an attempt to convey improved picture quality by citing ever-higher numbers; however, in reality those numbers provide little indication of how good the image looks in the real world.

Refresh rate (50Hz, 100Hz, 200Hz, 400Hz, 600Hz)
These numbers, which are supposed to refer to the number of times the still image is refreshed on the screen (50Hz = 50 times per second), have proliferated in the last few years. That's because LCD TVs have a reputation for being blurrier in fast-motion scenes compared with plasma TVs. However, in reality, most people can't perceive that fuzziness in most material; in terms of motion blur, it's nearly impossible to see the difference between a 50Hz and a 600Hz TV. Many LCD TV manufacturers incorporate dejudder or smoothing processing in conjunction with refresh rate, but smoothing and antiblur are two separate, albeit related, visual effects. 240Hz: What you need to know has the full explanation.

Resolution (720p, 1080p)
Nearly every TV today is a 1080p model, but in the smaller LCD screen sizes and entry-level plasma series you can still find 720p models. There's nothing wrong with 720p resolution. In fact, the difference between 720p and 1080p resolutions is nearly impossible to discern, even when watching content on very large screen sizes. Check out HDTV resolution explained for more details.

Contrast ratio (up to 10 million:1, "Infinite")
Contrast ratio refers to the difference between the brightest white and the darkest black a TV can display, which is an important indicator of overall picture quality. Unfortunately, there's no standardized way to measure it, so most TV makers essentially make it up. Sometimes differences in contrast ratio among a single manufacturer's own product line can be a true indicator of black-level performance--the crucial capability of a TV to produce a shade of "black" as close as possible to the absence of light--but just as often they can be concocted to justify higher price points. That's why we call contrast ratio the Dr. Evil of HDTV specs.

Viewing angle
Ideally you want the TV's image to stay as bright and as colorful when seen from the side, or from above and below, as from straight on. With LCD that almost never happens, despite viewing-angle claims that approach 180 degrees. The rule of thumb here is that LCD and LED viewing angles are always worse than the angles on plasma TVs, and though different LCDs can have different characteristics, this spec isn't a trustworthy indicator. That said, LCDs typically have adequate viewing angles for most viewers, especially in bright rooms.

Wide color gamut
Color standards for content production are strict, and matching those standards, to most accurately reproduce the source material, is the main color-related responsibility of the TV. Wide color gamuts and other color-related extras can produce "redder" reds or punchier yellows, for example, but those colors won't be accurate. On the other hand, many TVs can also deliver relatively accurate color in certain picture settings, regardless of their color specifications or claims.

Energy Star
There's rarely a number associated with Energy Star specifications, but we're including it here to prove a point: Nearly every TV available for sale today qualifies for Energy Star, making the certification useless for comparative purposes.


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http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...62205280,00.htm
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post Dec 22 2010, 10:39 AM

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thanks for sharing bro.. still thinking of pro n cons of gettin a lcd tv instead of led..


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post Dec 22 2010, 11:00 AM

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good article.
I bought the plasma just for it's good viewing angle as my living room is rectangular.
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post Dec 22 2010, 11:01 AM

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unless you have a lot of money to throw around, don't waste your money on led tv. lcd is good enough already.
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post Dec 22 2010, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(yamesh7 @ Dec 22 2010, 10:39 AM)
thanks for sharing bro.. still thinking of pro n cons of gettin a lcd tv instead of led..
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This one easy. Ada duit LED, kurang duit LCD. Both works just fine. LED is a actually too bright for prolonged viewing. Nicer blacks...but you need to pay extra RM1K++ for equivalent size.

IMO, is good time to buy LCD now, coz it'll be phased out for LED....can get 40" for rock bottom 1.8k....i just bought a Sharp 40" LCD for RM 1.9k

Just to add to the above article:
The 100Hz thingy is worth the money when it works. Best i saw is Philips HD Natural motion, Sharp's new LED 100Hz and Sony's Motionflow. Those korean 100Hz not really can use....

This post has been edited by Matrix: Dec 22 2010, 11:07 AM
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post Dec 22 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 22 2010, 11:02 AM)
This one easy. Ada duit LED, kurang duit LCD. Both works just fine. LED is a actually too bright for prolonged viewing. Nicer blacks...but you need to pay extra RM1K++ for equivalent size.

IMO, is good time to buy LCD now, coz it'll be phased out for LED....can get 40" for rock bottom 1.8k....i just bought a Sharp 40" LCD for RM 1.9k

Just to add to the above article:
The 100Hz thingy is worth the money when it works. Best i saw is Philips HD Natural motion, Sharp's new LED 100Hz and Sony's Motionflow. Those korean 100Hz not really can use....
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can lcd or led tv used as monitor for my pc..? any suggestion or comments?
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post Dec 22 2010, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(yamesh7 @ Dec 22 2010, 11:54 AM)
can lcd or led tv used as monitor for my pc..? any suggestion or comments?
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Easy Method:
Can...as long as you have HDMI on your PC, and HDMI on your TV.
Its easier if u are using Win 7 then other OS.

More tedious ( if no HDMI ):
DVI out ( if no DVI input on the TV buy a DVI to VGA converter ) , and then channel sound using Line Out or Headphone Jack - u need some sound cables
If you are not looking at connecting sound, it is even more easier.

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post Dec 22 2010, 02:09 PM

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good tips, bro vikashshah thumbup.gif
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post Dec 22 2010, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 22 2010, 11:02 AM)
This one easy. Ada duit LED, kurang duit LCD. Both works just fine. LED is a actually too bright for prolonged viewing. Nicer blacks...but you need to pay extra RM1K++ for equivalent size.

IMO, is good time to buy LCD now, coz it'll be phased out for LED....can get 40" for rock bottom 1.8k....i just bought a Sharp 40" LCD for RM 1.9k

Just to add to the above article:
The 100Hz thingy is worth the money when it works. Best i saw is Philips HD Natural motion, Sharp's new LED 100Hz and Sony's Motionflow. Those korean 100Hz not really can use....
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True true...Sharp 40" 1.9k is damn good lo smile.gif thumbup.gif

Panasonic 100Hz seems ok so far...dunno la bro...sometimes can't tell the difference...maybe my analog astro...waiting for beyond to arrive smile.gif he he...


Added on December 22, 2010, 2:30 pm
QUOTE(camrycilver @ Dec 22 2010, 02:09 PM)
good tips, bro vikashshah thumbup.gif
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The pleasure is all mine bro. Tks.

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post Dec 22 2010, 02:51 PM

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How about Panasonic 42'' LCD for around RM2399,good deal?
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post Dec 22 2010, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(vikashshah @ Dec 22 2010, 02:29 PM)
True true...Sharp 40" 1.9k is damn good lo smile.gif thumbup.gif

Panasonic 100Hz seems ok so far...dunno la bro...sometimes can't tell the difference...maybe my analog astro...waiting for beyond to arrive smile.gif he he...

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Exactly. No difference. This goes for my old Sharp 32" LCD as well. Whether watch SD or HD also no difference. That's why i only mentioned the 3 above. Samsung and LG 100Hz doesn't makes much difference either. But those 3 above, can see ultra smooth...like playing games at constant 60 fps...lol.

btw, your WDTV Live still not arriving yet?? smile.gif

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post Dec 22 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(bigbangformula @ Dec 22 2010, 02:51 PM)
How about Panasonic 42'' LCD for around RM2399,good deal?
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Good...IPS and protective screen...prefer that one to the samsung 40".
Plus service and parts - among the best...

Panasonic is a safe buy in my opinion.

Panasonic natural colors, Samsung maybe a lil more vivid...others have their + and -...

But finally, u must like it...thats all that matters...

If kinds around, prefer Panasonic- got protection....


Added on December 22, 2010, 3:09 pm
QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 22 2010, 03:03 PM)
Exactly. No difference. This goes for my old Sharp 32" LCD as well. Whether watch SD or HD also no difference. That's why i only mentioned the 3 above. Samsung and LG 100Hz doesn't makes much difference either. But those 3 above, can see ultra smooth...like playing games at constant 60 fps...lol.

btw, your WDTV Live still not arriving yet?? smile.gif
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Bro...ha ha...waiting for Poslaju fellow smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
Hopefully all goes smooth today...

God Bless smile.gif))

I must check out those 3 brands...meaning their imaging engine are quite good.
Next trip to the mall...will do.

Btw, I managed to get the Asus adapter from KL...LYN forumer...i will use that for the WDTV.
DWA140 on the server
Router somewhere in the middle. smile.gif

Yesterday, i did all that u said...and got 2.5MB/s....now full Draft-N and the Belkin is AP with G smile.gif
Kicked the 3rd class citizens tongue.gif

Hopefully when i change the position, will get at least 4MB/s - signal will be stronger.

Will keep you updated smile.gif Tks bro.

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post Dec 22 2010, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(vikashshah @ Dec 22 2010, 03:05 PM)
Good...IPS and protective screen...prefer that one to the samsung 40".
Plus service and parts - among the best...

Panasonic is a safe buy in my opinion.

Panasonic natural colors, Samsung maybe a lil more vivid...others have their + and -...

But finally, u must like it...thats all that matters...

If kinds around, prefer Panasonic- got protection....
Haha no actually I already using it,just asking you guys opinion of it,are you talking about the same model as I had in mind,the Panasonic TH-L42U29K?

And yea Panasonic is a Japanese brand,quality should be good biggrin.gif

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post Dec 22 2010, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(vikashshah @ Dec 22 2010, 03:05 PM)
Btw, I managed to get the Asus adapter from KL...LYN forumer...i will use that for the WDTV.
DWA140 on the server
Router somewhere in the middle. smile.gif

Yesterday, i did all that u said...and got 2.5MB/s....now full Draft-N and the Belkin is AP with G smile.gif
Kicked the 3rd class citizens tongue.gif

Hopefully when i change the position, will get at least 4MB/s - signal will be stronger.

Will keep you updated smile.gif Tks bro.
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Good luck. I have further tested the ASUS N-13 the other day, connecting a laptop nearby the WDTV Live, got about 35Mbps to 39Mbps based on the test done by Passmark, looseley translate to 4.xx MB/s. I think most 1080p mkv files is like 10Mbps++ bit rate only, should be enough most of the time. BluRay max bit rate is 40 Mbps uncompressed i think. So unless you are streaming BD iso, i think it should works 99.99% of the time.

On oh, setting the AP to '40Mhz' actually gives me worst result...now i just set it to 'Auto'.

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Blu-Ray's Maximum bitrate:

Raw data transfer ---> 53.95 Mbit/s
Audio+Video+Subtitles ---> 48.0 Mbit/s
Video ---> 40.0 Mbit/s
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But astro byond sd 576i and hd 1080i sure can see diffrence at least on my tv even for 720p and 1080p can obviously visible what.

Maybe im no comparing apple to apple though.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 22 2010, 03:24 PM)
Good luck. I have further tested the ASUS N-13 the other day, connecting a laptop nearby the WDTV Live, got about 35Mbps to 39Mbps based on the test done by Passmark, looseley translate to 4.xx MB/s. I think most 1080p mkv files is like 10Mbps++ bit rate only, should be enough most of the time. BluRay max bit rate is 40 Mbps uncompressed i think. So unless you are streaming BD iso, i think it should works 99.99% of the time.

On oh, setting the AP to '40Mhz' actually gives me worst result...now i just set it to 'Auto'.
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Wow...4.xx MB/s is really good for remote to remote. After doing what you said, i managed to stream 720p remote to remote (no wires) with no problems. At that time was 2.2MB/s. 1080 still had pixelations. Keeping fingers crossed. Poslaju fellow didn't turn up. Tracking system said already "Attempting Delivery"...its weird !!! Welll...maybe tomorrow then. I hope so.
Nope no plans of BD ISO...only decent mkv. Just got Avatar 1080p 16.3G...

I noticed, that as we download stuff from the net, the MB/s is kinda effected. Do u feel the same to? This is for remote to remote...no wired connection.


Bro, oh no, 40MHz...i heard somewhere...it may or may not help.... i am at auto mode...and it transmits at 28MHz smile.gif

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thx for sharing now i think i just go buy 42" LCD rather then 42" LED!!
even its same size and same Full HD price different very huge!!
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 22 2010, 11:02 AM)
This one easy. Ada duit LED, kurang duit LCD. Both works just fine. LED is a actually too bright for prolonged viewing. Nicer blacks...but you need to pay extra RM1K++ for equivalent size.

IMO, is good time to buy LCD now, coz it'll be phased out for LED....can get 40" for rock bottom 1.8k....i just bought a Sharp 40" LCD for RM 1.9k

Just to add to the above article:
The 100Hz thingy is worth the money when it works. Best i saw is Philips HD Natural motion, Sharp's new LED 100Hz and Sony's Motionflow. Those korean 100Hz not really can use....
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samsung 1 does work, u need to play with the settings, there's off,standard and smooth.

not sure bout LG bcoz most wad i saw in shops are like nothing, maybe the settings or juz the tv itself.

the koreans quality have improved drasticly over the years, especially during these time.their higher end models now are receiving praises around.so if what they have to offer is good for the price, do consider them as well.my 2 cents icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 22 2010, 11:38 PM

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The Lg 42in 650 series LCD running at 200hz looks good. They were clearing stock at 2499 in low Yat. Too bad they don't have bigger screen in stock.

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