Yup.. u r definitely right about it. Game is all about winning or losing, there's no point if u keep on winning streak. Really enjoying the up and down in the league rank and also important cup championship.

And those players really got their own 'season' as well.. sometime performing good and sometime performing bad even thou with the same position, same condition and same individual setting

I agree with u too. It's a very nice new addition to WE9 . And u r rite too that Steven Gerrard is the key player in my team now. Creating the attacking opportunities and also in the mid field battle. Gravesen already started to decline.. not as strong as before and I'm observing for another replacement for him. I. Helguera might be my first choice, but then he's aging already. Left Bapista, Frabegas, Park and Guti as my choices. However, none of them can fit for Gravesen's CMF position as he's main in defending in mid field rather than attacking. He's more like support to the attackers and backup for Steven Gerrard in mid field. Perhaps it's time for some buy and sell

As u said, MoM not necessary to be the scorer in the match but on overall important player . In that case, anyone can be MoM including GK and defenders. Just like in my last match before I slept yesterday, Steven Gerrard received the MoM award with 8.5 rating even thou M. Saldago the only scorer in that match . But when taken into account, he did a lot of shoting, penetration, critical passing and also interception. Even Raul and Ronaldo didnt contribute much in the 'blows' against the opponent's goal

Ah.. then I'm sorry, I'm not talking about 'lagging' during on9 gaming *in fact, I didnt try before *, but I'm refering to the 'slowdown' during playing, especially when a lot of players crowded on the screen .

Nah... haven't got my PES5, still enjoying my patched WE9 very much ..

But then.. I feel that WE is slightly more 'realistic' and 'toughter' than PES series.. although I know it's the same but only different in release for Asia and Europe market.. perhaps I'm wrong then.. keke (but I did remember last time mentioned in another forum that Japanese release is much toughter than Europe release.. the speed also different )

Haha.. then now I believe it's not my gameplay or reaction problem but it's the CPU damm 'power' .. I also doubt if PS2 controller and the game can be controlled like CPU did .. That's why I wanted to play on9 to challenge against more human player rather than only CPU. I dun hav a lot of frenz maniac in this game like me. I told them I'm playing 6 stars and they seem didnt believe it

I did before the 'zone press', but not as effective as CPU. In the other way giving more spaces for the opponents to pass the ball around and my players fatigue easily. Last time I always use 'man mark' (not all players), but then in the end I still feel 'normal' defending is the best way to be. Rather than being tied to one player and then like playing with 10 players

The most difficult I felt is when the CPU didnt 'ball pressuring'.. it's difficult to hold the possesion of the ball, not to mention passing . They just come, 'touch' my player and the ball possesion gone. No fault or whatsoever, I just couldn't believe it and feel it's unfair . When I did the same to CPU, the referee just blow the whistle as if he kena bribed . In such situation, I normally back tracking and then pass the ball around horizontally against the opponent's goal. Slowly looking for chances to pass the ball forward

Whenever I face this situation, it make me remember of Zidane which he can put them away easily with his dribble and ball control

This post has been edited by vearn27: Oct 20 2005, 02:13 PM

Yup... u r rite. Even if u managed to play against 6 stars CPU, it doesn't mean u can beat a newbie human player in reality. After spending sometime playing with the CPU, u will get to their style of playing . Especially everytime down the flank, I just know what the CPU will do next . Playing against human create much more fun as the moves much more unpredictable

But there's always one type of lame stupid foul in the game.. when someone drop down and then while he's waking up, somebody walking around bang him.. Piii~!!! It's a foul

Too bad I didnt have any frenz have da same interest like me in the WE/PES game..

This post has been edited by vearn27: Oct 20 2005, 04:18 PM

Haha.. u r absolutely right about it.. Showing off skills in front of the goal post when against GK.. doing Zidane's 360 Roulette, Ronaldo's steps over or Ronaldinho's flip-flap before scoring the goal.. seem like pointless as a single shot will shorten the 'delay' of the technique.. wahaha .. The CPU will feel 'nothing' being scored goal in that marvelous way.. unless the human feel satisfied.. but no one gonna compliment on it

At last.. I changed my formation and also strategy.. now it become:

-------------------------------------------- Ronaldo (CF)------------------------
---------------------------- Raul (CF) --------------------------------------------
----- Kaka (ST)- -----------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------ Beckham (RMF) -----
------------------------------------- S. Gerrard (CMF) --------------------------
------------------- Park Ji Sung (CMF) ------------------------------------------
----- Ashley Cole (LSB) ------------------------------------ Chivu (RSB) -----
-------------------- S. Ramos (CB) ----- J. Woodgate (CB) ------------------
--------------------------------- Cassilas (GK) ----------------------------------

In my previous formation, the 'LMF' position seem handicapped in it .. lacking of contribution and thus wasted a player on the field as the gameplay mostly in the centre or the right side.. In the UEFA qualifying round, I'm losing 1-0 to AS Monaco in the 1st half with the previous formation, changed to this formation then as it already been in my mind for quite sometime. Gamble thru as I rested Gerrard on the bench coz he's fatigued. Then with magnificent new effective role of Kaka, he scored and the whole team charged forward. Ended up with 3-1 win and then I switched to this formation since that match *actually it's on trial *

Already set Ronaldo as the 1st lineup rather than Cisse, and then let Park Ji Sung taken Gravesen position as well .. somehow he's more effective now than declining Gravesen.. at last.. I found my choice for his replacement . The gameplay more effective now as more shots and possesion held, rather than depending of Gerrard as the key player to initiate an attack, Kaka the 'Second Top' yet another option thus most attacking direction and various option available .. Robinho now taken off from the 'sales' list for upcoming negotiation period as he's capable of playing well in that ST position too.. thus making him a subs for Kaka

Hi there terranova, it been a while since u last posted here. Busy with work? Me now having holidays back in my hometown... just went to Low Yat and bought PS2 Controller to USB Adapter and PES5 for PC... gotta try out PC version once a while on PS2 Controller

Cheers~!

Yo ~ yo ~ yo... welcome jonjon87 to da club~!

This thread been dying... although I started to compose my new ML's story planning to revive it another while... however, u r faster than me thou

Hehe... it sound like we're the 'same'.. coz last time also I used to buy a lot of other games and frankly, I only finished a few games... and not even 5% of my collection *not less and not much I got 3 dvd folders full of games *... I then stopped my 'buying' on other games after I started with Winning Eleven 6 and Pro Evolution Soccer 3... then from there I proceed to 'love the game' and rarely see myself buy other game than Winning Eleven or Pro Evolution Soccer series *helped me to save a lot also *

At first I started with 2* difficulty as I even failed to hold possesion of the ball when I'm playing 3*, not to mention to score with it ... After finished one or two seasons with 2*, I'm getting 'used' to the game and moved to 3* then... after another few seasons I constantly leading in the league table with ridiculous scoring and pulling myself very far from the 2nd spot , I wanted to try 4*... but I failed to win most of the time... so I gave up and stay on 3*. However one day, 'something' happened (if u really read back u should know ) and I'm so badly wanted to improve myself better

So.. I make a big leap to 5* then (that time haven't got 6*).. and playing the game every 2 hours a day at nite before sleep. At that time also I beginning to think of 'strategy' and 'formation' that would work 'better' with my line-up.. so after quite a while playing with the game.. I already used to 'hardest' difficulty level . I'm playing 6* now unless when new installation appeared, I'll play at 3* difficulty for one season to 'learn' and make myself 'used' to the new controls and then goto 6* after that

Players's ability and stats are really important, but the 'compatibility' between the players and URSELF will be more vital. Why? Bcoz u control them lor ... It doesn't mean u sure win when u got ALL STARS in ur team... It's just whether u matched 'them' or not... that's why I feel as different ppl using different gameplay style ... Also another thing, don't look down on those players with low stats... they might perform very well in the game instead

As for crosses and headers... u really need to learn the 'timing' to hit the square when the ball going to reach the players. Also the 'height' and 'heading' stats does take into account as well. Actually a lot summore such as the 'teamwork' between the crosser and the header for more accurate passing, the 'strength' of da player in struggling between few players... hehe

This post has been edited by vearn27: Nov 14 2005, 09:33 AM

It been a while since I last update my ML's story here... perhaps jiwa busying himself with PES5 ... I had that game too, but my love with WE just much better than it

My 3rd season with Real Madrid ended with 2 trophys and ranked 5th in the league. Although we had struggled thru to won the Div. 1 Cup and Champions League in a 'thin' margin, yet we still doing badly in da league. However, it's one happy thing to see Gerrard voted as the OVERALL BEST PLAYER of FIFA and Raul voted as the TOP SCORER & OVERALL BEST PLAYER in Div. 1 Cup . Anyway, during the off-season... I had 'used' up all the credits I had gained to gamble for league trophy next season *sound like Abramovich? but he had 'unlimited' *

A big changes been made to the lineup. Raul, Kaka and L. Gonzales (acquired earlier by other club trading over) been traded for Thierry Henry, Reyes and V. Persie from Arsenal. I had been looking around for 2nd and 'support' forward that could score and pass to my striker for the finishing. Raul seem to be capable of it, however his slow pace doesn't help much . Kaka been dropped from first selection after Robben came from Chelsea. Robben been showing spectacular performance on the left as 'Second Top' [ST]. Kaka been degrading and that's the reason he been dropped and showed the exit door. Looking for some other choices for [ST], then V. Persie name came into my mind for my 'unused' L. Gonzales

In the other way, Eto been acquired by trading Owen with them, Barcelona. He's good, but not stable. Been up and down with his form. He got some good real dribbling skills, but I'm looking forward for more goals contribution from him. That's why he been traded for Eto.

Here goes my new lineup with the same previous formation except being edited the positions a little bit:


------------------------------------------------- Ronaldo (CF)-------------------
------------------------------ T. Henry (CF) -------------------------------------
----- A. Robben (ST)- -----------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------ C. Ronaldo (RMF) ---
------------------------------------- S. Gerrard (CMF) --------------------------
------------------- Park Ji Sung (CMF) ------------------------------------------
----- Ashley Cole (LSB) ------------------------------------ Chivu (RSB) -----
-------------------- S. Ramos (CB) ----- J. Woodgate (CB) ------------------
--------------------------------- Cassilas (GK) ----------------------------------


Most played substitutes:

Samuel Eto [CF]
Dijbril Cisse [CF]
Reyes [ST]
V. Persie [ST]
Beckham [SMF]
Frabegas [CMF/SMF]
Gravesen [CMF]
Helguera [CMF/CB]
M. Saldago [SB]
Raul Bravo [CB/SB]
Kompany [CB/SB]
Marshall [GK]

Showing to the exit door:
Baptista [ST/CMF]
Fellipe [SB]
C. ?????? [GK]

Rotation been playing around for the forwards as many matches now; League Matches, Div. Cup Matches and Champions League Playoff. First choice for left [CF] definitely will be Henry as he's the one who can score and pass. As the right [CF], Ronaldo the most favoured. However, Eto and Dijbril Cisse being switched around with them as I'm looking for best pair to start with. Arjen Robben, the ex-Chelski performing extremely brilliant on the [ST] position replacing Kaka. Much more contributing in the attacks and even scored up a few for his own sheet.

C. Ronaldo on the right side showing better run-up than Beckham. Penetrating the upper right flank and messing around the defense with his good dribbling and passing skills. S. Gerrard, no need to explain further. He's the key player of the team playing an important role in the middle in both attacking and defending. With his excellent long range powerful shooting, the opponents really need to stay alert with him whenever there's space within his shooting range. Park Ji Sung, playing in the position where more defensive playing as he's placed lower. Not as 'solid' and 'strong' as Gravesen, but he's really flexible and fast. Having only Gravesen's solid defending and midfield control, Park is more effective showing up skills in a lot of area. Frabegas, the first choice substitute for [CMF], he's just like another Park.

In defensive playing, Ashley Cole and Chivu doing great down the flanks, although Chivu left-footed playing on the right. The pair of rotation between Sergio Ramos, J. Woodgate and Kompany handling their field of coverage very well and often all of them caught the opponents with off-side trap. Cassilas, the main GK of Real Madrid didn't disappoint any of his teammates and making critical saves most of the time. Marshall just following from his behind.

This post has been edited by vearn27: Nov 14 2005, 04:14 PM

Welcome back jiwa, it's great to see u again. Least I'm not that bored here

Hm... what did u set for ur long pass option? Normally I'll select the 'option 4' (if I'm not mistaken ) where long pass is normal and crossing into the box carried out by 'L1 + O' buttons. So everytime I'll hit the 'L1' together along whenever I wanna pass into the box .. else it depends on setting, some options only 'auto' crossing into the box when player is down to the opponent's flank.. otherwise it may 'perform' normal pass

'PULLING HEADERS BACK' -- I guess terranova mean controlling the target player where he'll head the ball after a cross or corner kick been executed. By controlling and move him to a better position, higher chances of the shot will aim for goal and also more powerful

Well, I helped him to upload for ya~!


Attached File(s)
 pes5_manual.zip ( 1.15mb ) Number of downloads: 9

4th season updates with Real Madrid

With the new players, new lineup, new formation and new strategy... Real Madrid is hoping to clinch the league title this season after doing a major players swapping last season despite finished 5th rank in last season.

10 matches had been played and for the very first time Real Madrid is leading in the league with 9 wins and 1 draw. Chelsea following behind by 1 point after defeated by Real Madrid in their 9th match. Thierry Henry proved the qualities in him for scoring the only goal in the match. Samuel Eto did showed spectacular performance as well after the trade with Owen from Barcelona. Michael Owen now doing really good in Barcelona and leading the top scorers list in the league with 7 goals.

Robben and Reyes didnt disappoint playing in the Second Top [ST] position. Both players marked with fast pace and easily helping in penetrating the defense and dangerous passes into the box. Van Persie in the other way, haven't shown his quality playing as [ST] but he did some remarkable performance and scored 1 goal when he's starting 2 matches as forward [CF] because 3 of Real's 4 forwards had been summoned for national duty and they're real fatigue once they're back to the squad. Perhaps Van Persie is more suitable playing as [CF] rather than [ST]. Most probably one of them will be leaving the squad for better chances to play as regular in some other team.

In the Champions League, Real successfullly won 5 and draw once in the playoff fixtures and now playing in the first round

Hehe... a lot more funny scene and critical goals will happen when u play WE more... There was once my forward is charging forward and shot a powerful low shot toward the goalkeeper from the edge of the box... the goalkeeper managed to reflect the ball away but then it hit a coming over defender's chest and then... OWN GOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLL~!

Another scene where the defender back-pass to his goalkeeper as I'm charging forward with my forward toward the ball... then suddenly the goalkeeper turn back and was pushed by his own defender and score an... OWN GOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLL~!

Then, got another time the goalkeeper managed to stop my forward's shot but the ball went loose from his hand and rolling toward as going to pass the goal line... so the goalkeeper jump forward again to get hold of that ball but his teammate slided and created another... OWN GOOOOAAAAAALLLLLLLL~!

A lot more... only remember a few

This post has been edited by vearn27: Nov 15 2005, 04:18 PM

Haha.. that's not the worst.. you haven't seen before a goalkeeper standing there staying constant and watch the ball rolling (yeah, rolling ) pass the goal line

The goalkeeper case I didnt see before in WE9 but used to be a lot during my time with WE8LE .. just the same like other fans had complained, Konami didnt take initiative to improve the goalie AI .. However, it's much better now in WE9. The goalie charge forward, step out to clear the ball, catch the ball... all on the right time. It then increased the difficulty to pass-by a goalie and also during 1 on 1 .. but well, sometime the GK still do some stupid thing.. as in real life

Yesterday had quite a limited time... so I only played a few matches and marked the first lost of the season to Fulham by 2-0. The pair of Samuel Eto and Van Persie been summoned again as CF but my mistake to having placing them in the wrong place . Henry, Dijbril Cisse and Ronaldo still recovering from their fatigue. Left-footed Van Persie should had better accurate shooting ability on the left but then I placed him up front on the right which Ronaldo's regular position while vice versa, right-footed Eto was placed on the left taking Henry's position. The reason I did so because Henry's or 2nd top [CF] position in my formation always counted as a support forward to me. Other than scoring, he'll need to dribble around and make critical pass to the top [CF] for finishing. For that reason I had put Eto rather than Van Persie as he's better at it... oh well... that's not the only losing reason. Real Madrid been really playing awfully in that match. Most of the time pressured by the opponents and failed to hold possesion of the ball nicely and passing always been intercepted. Henry been put on the field in the 2nd half but only made better possesion, however yet still unable to put some 'dangerous' toward the opponent's goal.

The next game against Tottenham in the league showed some 'revenge' over the previous match's poor performance. Thierry Henry and Ronaldo on fire scoring 3 goals with 2 brilliant goals from Ronaldo. On the 9th minute, a perfectly chipped through pass from Gerrard caught Ronaldo unmarked and he marched forward and hit the net with a low shot. 11 minutes later then Thierry Henry did the same on the left-side and performed a feint shot before hitting the net with low shot as well . 12 minutes later Ronaldo added his 2nd when he did a 'MARVELOUS BICYCLE KICK' at the edge of the box converting Frabegas's corner kick . 2nd half later Tottenham mananged to pull back 1 goal and ended the match with 3-1 win.

In Champions League qualifying round, Real Madrid had a bad start with 1 draw and 1 lost. With 4 matches to go for the qualifying, there's still a chance for Real to defend their title. Real Madrid marched to the next round of Div. 1 Cup after defeated Tottenham on 4-1 aggregate.

Well, that's all for now and wondering if tonite I still have some time to continue

I only scored before from the middle between the box and also the kick-off spot. Haven't been half-field for neither goal or own goal

Only six direction only mah:

up + square = middle up
right + square = lower right
left + square = lower left
no direction + square = lower middle
HOLD up & right + square = upper right
HOLD up & left + square = upper left

Same applies for both GK and Penalty taker

Actually u can get 'access' to all these commands under the PAUSED Game Menu... just look down and u can see COMMAND... then R1 or R2 to switch the controls guide...

Hie terranova, it already been a while since last see u r posting here... how r u been doing? Currently which version and also which patch u r playing?

I really doubt if Reefur going to release their patch for WE9...

Hm... lately busy till no time to spend for WE ... however, might play a few matches later ... still seeded 2nd in da league following behind Chelsea with 1 point different... they only had lost twice and draw none so far... I also always nearly end-up losing another match in da league but lucky late minutes goal save my day

Best is I belasah Chelsea terok-terok in da Div. 1 Cup with 3-1 (home game) and 1-0 (away game)... ... however, everytime after Robben showed spectacular performance, he'll end up with injury ... now he's resting for another 2 weeks

Hehe... dun mention regarding the 'manual' thingy, in fact I should thanks you in da 1st place for uploading it for us . Hehe... me too struck with Wemerica v3.0 FINAL as well... didnt bother to keep updated as long as I can get to play ... however, I mixed the patch with some others thou... dun really like the PES Commentating in da pack and also added Hawke's Kits and Maximo's Chants patch ... using da original japanese commentating... 'shuuuu-to!'

Hm... I know there's 'J-League' version of WE but wondering what it's... izzit only J-League's teams and no others?

Wah... I couldn't afford neither of the new consoles now even thou PS3 haven't been released... neway, most probably I'll get da PS3 as it always got bigger games library and japanese-like