The unlimited fiber usage at this moment is consuming most of their bandwidth at this moment.

Admit it. They can't implement the volume cap with their Unifi users at this moment because it would be a 2nd blow to them as well people would steer away from subscribing Unifi fending off many potential subscribers.

Here's a 3rd solution:

Make your HSBB network neutral and allow other isps to come in.

By allowing other isps they still get to maintain the monthly infrastructure/network access regardless of which isp subscribers choose.So it's a sure income.

If they still want to involve in the isp foray, this would be the problem they'll have to face.They'll have problems managing their bandwidth as they can't implement Unifi volume caps while they still can't ignore their ADSL services.

Streamyx 4mbps without IPTV and slower upload at 512kbps - Price? RM140

Unifi 5mbps symmetrical speed with IPTV and subsidized free equipment - Price? RM159

So why should 4mbps users be given less quota when in actual calculation they are paying more?

I saw a table saying 4mbps Streamyx users should be given 40GB allocation while Unifi VIP 5M be given 60GB.

If TM believe this, they should go back to secondary school.

RM2 for 1GB is very cheap. I agree with you.

With this YES would never be congested with bandwidth hoggers unless they have lots of money to burn.

IF Unifi didn't existed, TM's capacity today is more than enough to handle 4mbps users nationwide.

They are trying to conserve bandwidth today for Unifi's sake especially for those who subscribed to their 20mbps packages which at this moment has an unlimited quota.

This would pave way for them to take in more Unifi subscriptions until they hit their target numbers then from there on when numbers are achieved they'll announce the monthly quota.

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Added on December 18, 2010, 5:58 pmYou pull the plug and risk yourself getting sued till fu lat.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 18 2010, 05:58 PM

Got to agree with the PAYU charging model.

If they can charge a low rate of RM2 per GB, then the 1TB user would take the big hit while the low usage subscriber would benefit from it while getting to keep his line with a very low monthly bill.

A typical monthly 60GB user would only have to pay RM120.
It could even get better with tiered usage whereby anything less than 10GB usage each GB would cost little more like RM3.

Very similar with Yes model but cheaper per GB cost.

They call it minimum commitment to maintain a certain level of revenue for the company as well as to break even for the rental usage.

RM35 or RM40 maybe?

Then again all ADSL lines should be equal in terms of speed by then. They shouldn't be marketing different speed packages such as 384, 512, 1m, 2m or 4m.All should be given best attainable line speed.

The one who use more pays more.Fair enough?

Things should be made as simple and easy as possible.

Actually for a normal user 60Gb is very much to spare already.How can those wireless isp users live with only 3-10GB quota every month if this is not true?
To download a few DVDs every day is not a normal habit. It's wastage because you don't get to watch all of it unless you're those jobless lowlifes.
Then again you would want subscribers to fell happy by allowing them to download some when they have the spare time as a hobby.
The key here is to avoid wastage and abnormal usage.

It is actually not complicating. Tiered pay as you use(PAYU) with minimum monthly commitments.

To simplify things enough no speed limitations or different speeds with different packages.
Only 1 package type to take care about.So the only thing you need to take care about is the volume meter.

Those how use more of course pay more la. Use 1TB with RM2 per GB, then pay RM2k lor for the month.Get punished lor.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 18 2010, 07:21 PM

Actually I don't understand that too myself. It is true that if you're that kind of subscriber who doesn't turn on your internet everyday except for weekend and do downloading once in a while then 25GB is sufficient about 30GB plenty to go.

Those who spend 1/2 the day everyday surfing/ downloading will not be enough.
If you're doing that for sure I know you won't get to use all the files or watch them.Many would be stashed into your mobile HDD waiting to rot.

60GB is plenty to spare for many already unless you're jobless or into those jack sparrow business.

1TB are those who probably resell and do continuous downloading 24/7 with 4mbps Streamyx / 20mbps Unifi.
Those who operate hotspots with his neighbours with monthly charges with his typical homeline.

Then the home package should not be the right package for such people.
Probably they should opt for SOHO or something..

Sitting at home and work through VPN with offshore companies?
Wait till the lembaga hsail comes after you when your offshore company banks in your salary directly into your personal account escaping tax.

Adopt the PAYU model with low per GB pricing as what it is used today.
Then standardized all Streamyx plans with best effort speed and minimum monthly commitment to secure the line rental revenues.(Everyone has to pay a minimum commitment of RM25-30 per month)

Those who use less pay less while those who abuse bare the high cost.
On average RM80 will get a normal subscriber 40GB of monthly usage quota which is plenty to go with regular downloads and surfing.

If people can live with 3GB with wireless plans 40GB has more than enough unless you have other plans of sharing/reseling your line.

So what do they want here?

Bandwidth conservation, fairer pricing or identifying those who hoggers?

If the 3rd is true then they should implement a fixed volume quota based on package type.When the quota is exceeded, charge every gigabyte by the PAYU model? 60-80GB is more than enough for 4mbps users. Every GB once exceeded will be charged RM3.
It'll be fair to all your subscribers including Unifi users as well.

I don't see the sincerity in their public survey. If they intend to only help themselves and not provide a fairer charging model to consumers why should the public give in to their pleas?

Selfish I would say.

There's none so far except for a few other wired isps such as Time, Metrofon, Infolient and Jaring.

They have limited coverage.

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Added on December 18, 2010, 10:45 pmUnless their market is already saturated, they would want that for freeing up their network so that more subscribers would come in.

With the PAYU model, people would think twice before they would waste bandwidth usage.

This translates to easing up the congestion, allowing a fairer pricing model and most important the allowance to expand their subscribers further.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 18 2010, 10:45 PM

VL is the fairest deal. Light users pay less and heavy abusers pay for their selfish actions.

If the per GB pricing is right everyone would benefit from it not only the isp.

You avoid bandwidth hoggers, you get to reclaim back your wasted bandwidth resources and your customers would also feel happy for the fairer treatment they get according to their usage.

A minimum commitment ensures that TM rental is covered and RM2 per GB seems fair. That would give you 60GB per month @ RM120.

50GB is plenty to go for most people.

You're already getting 10X of what the mobile broadband users are getting or even more when they can live with a 3GB or less quota.

Now the question is can TM maintain a good quality service once this is implemented?

Those who are currently on 4mbps plan you should stay and not downgrade/upgrade your packages because your previous contract did not have this VL clauses.

What bullshit? Whether it's mobile broadband or fixed line both rely on the same undersea cables at the IG.

Keep your beliefs to yourself then.

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Added on December 19, 2010, 12:33 amYou are referring to radio resources.

Thus the reason why mobile broadband is always more expensive but the PAYU model keeps the bandwidth hoggers in check regardless of whether you're using either type of lines.

I know people who are currently coming against my opinions and calling me names here are actually bandwidth hoggers feeling sour.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 19 2010, 12:33 AM

Hi myandylai,

Just a few things to add to each suggestion.They sound good, hope you don't mind if I add some additional comments.

Agree with the slowdown as this would frustrate their subscribers further. This from experience of using mobile broadband. People don't like to have their line slowdown halfway in the middle of the month should they require extra volume during that time and suffer a slowdown which would affect their web experience.For many, they would want the option to temporarily increase their quota or buy extra volume usage to avoid it.

The monthly cap credit limit should be set to something higher because this wouldn't deter those who abuse the line with 1TB downloads.They would not feel threatened to do away with their bad habits since what is RM250 for 1TB of data?
Yes is different because it's based on prepaid model. Meaning if you use up your credit your line gets cut immediately until you re-top up your account.
It is only when they see a bill of RM2000 that they will reconsider and value bandwidth resources.
Also there must be a minimum commitment in place for TM to continue having a stable flow of revenue to cover their line rental and fixed call revenue. Maybe a fixed RM50 commitment to break even?

This is the 2nd best option to option (2) as it is a one way advantage to TM.It will not benefit the subscribers because you will not be able to carry forward your unused bandwidth to the following month if you cannot utilize all of it. Indirectly it'll encourage people to use up more so that they won't waste it. Just like you go and order a meal outside and you have no choice if the plate comes in large proportion. Would you want to waste it?
Isn't it good if you can order your food according to how much you can eat? This would be unfair to those who utilize less volume and as I said, it only benefit TM totally.

What TM is looking here is to free up some of their bandwidth to make way for more subscribers intake.They want to expand their subscriber base for more $$.

I guess we better not sign and renew our contract next time..

TM will sure come out some attractive deal soon without auto upgrade like last time.This would be their trick..

Maybe give a speed boost like free upgrade for 4mbps users to 5mbps, 2mbps to 3mbps, 1mbps to 2mbps, 512kbps to 1mbps and phase out the 384kbps.Then they'll require you to head down to TM Point to sign the new agreement..
Or something much cheaper for the same speed.

I guess whatever and however enticing the deal is NEVER give in and renew it.There will be a trap waiting for you and it's going to be similar to Unifi's which states clearly that volume cap will be implemented whenever as they please.

This post has been edited by iipohbee: Dec 19 2010, 03:41 PM

Taiwan only charges NT413 (RM43.48) for a 3mbps/768k VDSL2 line..

If TM comes out with this package, majority of subscribers will skip 20mbps and opt for it for the balance in both pricing and affordability.

The 1% hogging almost half of their overall bandwidth comes from their high end package users which are not throttled today.
Can't they understand that?

Throttling and punishing the majority of your Streamyx/low end package users in pleasing your highest tiered users is one of their ways of pleasing the cronies..

Don't you think it's really a stupid strategy? Only a handful of their exchanges support Unifi but they want to throttle all their Streamyx users who feed them their monthly salaries. Makes you think this direction came from some idiot who can't get enough of bandwidth for himself so he wants it badly in expense of others.