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post Jun 11 2019, 07:05 AM

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QUOTE(mikiuki @ Jun 10 2019, 08:17 PM)
A fresh grad work in bank contact centre for 5 months then resign 24 hours because anxiety hits me hard. Have an upcoming interview, an insurance co. will it kill me if I mention my first job and that I quit 24 hours?
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Do you mean that you resign within 24 hours? I wouldn't say it bad, since there's not enough details. Given a fresh grad of 5 months, you might not have much to pass down to other colleagues, and your x-boss probably would be fine with it?

It's better not to mention this unless asked. If they ever ask, let them know that you quit responsibly at least. The fact that you left within 24 hours won't be in record so your new hirer won't need to know that.

You may let them know you have anxiety and can't handle stress/something else? I'm not too sure about this, any other ppl opinion on this?
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QUOTE(Cardamon @ Apr 15 2019, 12:16 AM)
Helo everyone..
I am graduated diploma student.. I have no experience work in design field... Well that sound horror for me... I start search job at  jobstreet, linkedin, indeed, sabah jobs and any website that hired graphic designer.. It really hard for me to find job at sabah related to my field.. They rarely hired Graphic designer here.. I know at selangor have a lot of vacancy Graphic Designer. But i decide to work at sabah. Here at sabah i mostly found vacancy for photographer and videographer or editor. Its related to bridal and event. It really hard to find a job look interest for me. Well im picky person, i want to find job that really suitable with things i want to learn.. Im really interest with branding product and web design.. I have apply several jobs and sent my resume but really having trouble with expected salary... I set my expected salary Rm1500.. I don't set to much higher, it will only make me look too much greedy in they eye.. With my current situation no experience and solid portfolio, its really make me hard to stand among other rest candidates.. Im doommm... I have do a lot research about expected salary.. None i find helping..

After i fail my first interview(maybe), they said i should at least had 1 year experience, do intern or work freelance.. Work freelance??? That is my first time i ever heard bout that.. never across in my mind doing that work.. I protect my pride by saying "I'm still fresh graduated student. I have no experience nor do work freelance. I can only present my final artwork during my diploma show. Everyone same at the beginning when they start work. Not having to much experience or skill. So that is why they search for a job to obtain what they want to gain. I may look nothing to you but when it come to design i know what to do and present what client want.".. After that I don't know if im being rude said those word to interview. Moreover I never feel any regret speak like that better than stay silent.

Then after that i start doing freelance.. I join contest, if i win i get money, if i lose i can keep my work as my portfolio.. I never win in any contest. There are so many strong competitor and copy cat(which they try to steal your design).. Even im lose, but i never lose to learn something to improve my designs, be creative and learn how to interact with my client..  I enjoin explore see artwork from top level designer.. I feel challenged after watch their quality artwork.. Really amazing and speechless. I don't know how they can develop this fresh concept design.. If i make comparison with my artwork really far better... Starting that moment i decide to climb higher .. i start read article about design, see tutorial, up to date new trend design.. I discover many things that i never found during my time being as student.. Also i start learn new skill about website front code... At first i am really stuck.. Wonder where should i start? How to understand this function html, css and js?? .. Again do research and i found site that i can learn code for free. That site for beginner to learning code step by step  and they support each other by shared their knowledge.

Not to long after that, i had to stop do freelance since i'm busy helped my family business.. Wake up early morning and go back at night.. I had try several time stay up late night just for doing design.. The result it tomorrow my backbone hurt(maybe because i drink to much coffee) and almost lack of sleep.. I stop do that afterward. I spend my time do  illustration and sketch what on my mind . If not i will try discover something new. It is almost 1 year i stop doing freelance.. I cannot stand by never do any design for my portfolio... With my laptop can't turn on (R.I.P) mean it dies need to replace with new one... Dammit... I lost hope... I wish i afford to buy new one..

So right now i need to searching for jobs again.. I make a research about that company which i will apply. Then search a lot example how to write a good resume.  Wishing i could get one.. But sadly none i got respond for interview.. Seeing the job description make me really want to sent my resume. After read the requirement im speechless.. Need 2-3 years experience at least, able to do this and that, need to speak mandarin and soo onnnn... I could only just stare that jobs application... While i tell myself 'There should be another opportunity'.. I wonder if i should continue my study Degree??? Or just get a job? Or do freelance??  ... I start to worry about my future right now... Worry that i might not get hire..

                                ------THE END------

This is very long story about my horror life lolll haha, i don't know who i should talk... Since here you all mostly Malaysian people and maybe some of you Graphic Designer.. I want to know your opinion about my current situation. Maybe giving some advise that also may be help for me...
Thank you..
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Thank you so much for sharing your story with us , how you manage your time to learn? working middle night until morning?

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post Jun 18 2019, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(RNM @ Jun 17 2019, 11:30 AM)
Thank you so much for sharing your story with us , how you manage your time to learn? working middle night until morning?
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Currently i spend my time to learn coding 1-5 pm.. at night im doing for freelance job.. It depend how long i could finish the design. Usually i set my time until 2 or 3 am. But when it come to submit deadline i will stay until 6 am.

Btw you welcome icon_rolleyes.gif .
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post Jun 26 2019, 12:20 AM

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There are several training programme by government that you can applied such as Future Worker Training programme. From there, you can learn the skill. I have failed 12-15 interview before getting the job. Now days its bit hard. Just be confident.

Its very interesting that you learned online all the coding skill. Udemy, Edx is one of my favourite website for online learning. Lots of course. Get the certified course if you have extra money.
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post Sep 6 2019, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(mica3423 @ Jun 26 2019, 12:20 AM)
There are several training programme by government that you can applied such as Future Worker Training programme. From there, you can learn the skill. I have failed 12-15 interview before getting the job. Now days its bit hard. Just be confident.

Its very interesting that you learned online all the coding skill. Udemy, Edx is one of my favourite website for online learning. Lots of course. Get the certified course if you have extra money.
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Hi, i did some searches and found that these program are signed up by employers for their workers, usually in bulk. Is there a program unemployed graduate can sign up?
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post Sep 6 2019, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(mafa2801 @ Mar 15 2017, 03:17 PM)
Construction & Building
Manufacturing
Consultancy

Plenty...just dont demand..

Oil & Gas - LAST IN, FIRST TO GO OUT!
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Hi sorry i know this is old, is it difficult to switch from manufacturing to construction after maybe 1 year? What are the effects?
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post Sep 13 2019, 03:45 PM

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Thanks for a great job. I wish i read it 5 years earlier!
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post Sep 14 2019, 10:49 AM

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You see a job ad for a role you really care for, and you are midway through submitting your application through the company’s Applicant Tracking System (ATS), when you get to the section requesting that you upload a cover letter. What should you do?

If you already have one written, no problem. Go ahead and send it in. But what if you don’t? Well worry not. We speak to our network of internal recruiters in Malaysia who hire hundreds of strong candidates into their organizations every year. Turns out nobody – not HR, nor hiring managers – read cover letters anymore.

But why not read a cover letter and take that into consideration as part of a candidate’s application, you ask? Well, the sheer volume of applications that come through for each vacancy makes it extremely time-consuming for recruiters and hiring teams to filter if they have to peruse cover letters in addition to resumes.

Secondly, ATSs are designed to assign a job match score to every resume and automatically eliminate resumes that don’t have sufficient relevant keywords to what the hiring team is looking for in a particular role. In other words, all that matters in every application you submit is how solid of a CV or resume you have in relation to relevant keywords.

Now what if there were more to your resume that you wanted to show and explain to potential employers? Our best advice is to get professional help doing so in your resume itself.

Our second best advice is to supplement a traditional application by actively reaching out to the decision-makers through non-conventional channels such as employee referrals, LinkedIn or emails. Repurpose your cover letter into impactful messages that you can use to target the hiring team and stand out effectively.

So the next time you find yourself worrying over a cover letter, just stop already. It doesn’t matter whether you actually have one or not. Focus instead on perfecting the resume and actively networking to dramatically increase your odds of landing an interview.
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post Sep 17 2019, 04:02 PM

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Fresh grads can head over to Jobstore.com for job opportunities, tips and tricks and more!

You can find multiple career-related articles to guide you for your first job seeking.

Here are examples of articles that you can find on Jobstore's blog:
1. Why These 17 Phrases Should Be Removed from Your Resume Now
2. Top Characteristics of The Perfect Employee

Head over to Jobstore.com to find out more!
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post Sep 29 2019, 01:54 PM

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I am a fresh graduate, currently working full time in a software development firm. I can also affirm that seeking for a job even before your graduation date is one the best way of securing a job. Also, you have to be good at what you do.
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QUOTE(LokhonSporrow @ May 25 2019, 04:35 AM)
I need some opinion from all of you guys:

One of my friend work in manufacturing side with Diploma in Electronic. Currently he been doing part time degree in IT (still first year tho). He asking me if he try to apply for web dev, will the company will even give him a job ? Tbh he really have a skill set for web dev because he learn it from my friends and online . I really don't know how to answer his question tbh. I asked him to do some project ( an actually website) that can show how he capable in developing a website.
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My boyfriend made a similar daring switch 2 years from corporate finance into coding, and got his first software developer (frontend) job in Malaysia (requiring an employment pass) less than 2 months after he quit his job in Seoul, which is why I think what your friend intends to do is totally doable.

Several things that worked:

- He quit his job and spent a month doing intensive courses on Udemy and Coursera, which has some super good introductory courses in web development. So it's definitely a full-time commitment unless you are insanely hardworking and can spend your 6pm-12am evenings doing this while keeping a 9-5 full time job. Next Academy is one of the biggest coding bootcamps in Malaysia, not sure if they are any good but could be worth checking out their reviews.

- You want to start building your profile on Github to showcase your projects. And yes have lots of projects, eg. open source contributions, building your own mobile app, web app, etc. Recruiters are known to find top talent there. Helps you look good on both Github and also your resume.

- While learning to code, also check out what jobs are being posted on LinkedIn, Tech In Asia, Stack Overflow, Jobstreet to get a clearer sense of what specific skill sets / languages potential employers are looking for.

- There are several start ups in Malaysia that organise monthly hackathons so be on the lookout for those, join coder meetups / facebook groups to meet as many developers as you can while doing some important networking.

- Finally, the thing to do is to keep applying to jobs and familiarising yourself with technical tests, hackathons, etc. which every tech company and start up use as a first filter for suitable tech talent. This book might be useful: https://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Inte...s/dp/0984782850
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post Oct 1 2019, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(CareerSifu @ Oct 1 2019, 02:07 PM)
My boyfriend made a similar daring switch 2 years from corporate finance into coding, and got his first software developer (frontend) job in Malaysia (requiring an employment pass) less than 2 months after he quit his job in Seoul, which is why I think what your friend intends to do is totally doable.

Several things that worked:

- He quit his job and spent a month doing intensive courses on Udemy and Coursera, which has some super good introductory courses in web development. So it's definitely a full-time commitment unless you are insanely hardworking and can spend your 6pm-12am evenings doing this while keeping a 9-5 full time job. Next Academy is one of the biggest coding bootcamps in Malaysia, not sure if they are any good but could be worth checking out their reviews.

- You want to start building your profile on Github to showcase your projects. And yes have lots of projects, eg. open source contributions, building your own mobile app, web app, etc. Recruiters are known to find top talent there. Helps you look good on both Github and also your resume.

- While learning to code, also check out what jobs are being posted on LinkedIn, Tech In Asia, Stack Overflow, Jobstreet to get a clearer sense of what specific skill sets / languages potential employers are looking for.

- There are several start ups in Malaysia that organise monthly hackathons so be on the lookout for those, join coder meetups / facebook groups to meet as many developers as you can while doing some important networking.

- Finally, the thing to do is to keep applying to jobs and familiarising yourself with technical tests, hackathons, etc. which every tech company and start up use as a first filter for suitable tech talent. This book might be useful: https://www.amazon.com/Cracking-Coding-Inte...s/dp/0984782850
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Thanks for the advice, my friend currently stuck either to make an online course like you said and still straggling with balancing job hows and finished project that he already have due too his workload. I will suggest to him like you say if he really want to jump ship and more devote his time toward what he really want.
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QUOTE(Soony @ Aug 6 2016, 05:28 PM)
You are exactly right and those programs do exist in Malaysia. Think they are called management trainees. Over here in Australia they call them graduate programs where they rotate you around departments to gain experience.

Best part is? They pay above market rate.
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They are also insanely difficult and competitive to get into though. Back in my days as an external recruiter we'd help clients (consulting, banking, FMCG, O&G, manufacturing, etc.) with their graduate trainee programs and the success / acceptance rate can be as low as 1%.

Long interview processes (panel, group, problem solving-type interview scenarios), psychometric testing, strict requirements for English skills, and just companies looking to hire the cream of every university's crop (heavy focus on CGPA) tends to make it very difficult to get in.

But yes these trainees start at RM 4.5k and go as high as RM 6k (Shell).

Given how competitive these programs are, I always encourage final-year students (or younger) to apply aggressively to internship programs during their semester breaks. Always easier to get your foot through the door later on if the company already has a positive impression of you.

Also if you're a fresh graduate, you really want to do more than just submit applications the standard way. Check your AIESEC or MUN alumni network to see if you know any seniors currently working there, or for that matter any other employees there who might be able to refer you. They get a referral bonus, your application gets highlighted to HR faster than the other 300 fresh grad applications - it's a win-win situation.

And definitely apply to more than just management or graduate trainee programs. Try out entry-level roles, internships, or contract positions at other companies that might not have the resources to have an official program but might be reputable and established or offer you excellent learning opportunities while you figure life out.

Malaysia has one of the highest youth / fresh grad unemployment rate (3x national rate) in Asia and that's a scary thought!
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post Feb 13 2020, 02:58 PM

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I need some help and advice in filling the job application form.

1) For family background, stated requested my father and mother's details but I didn't live with them since young (raised by my aunt) so I should put my aunt as my mother and N/A in father section? I worry they may ask me about my family background cause it's quite complicated to explain. If they require any details from my parents, I don't think I can provide.

2)For references, I need at least two references but I barely had anyone since I just do some freelance job. So, I include my internship supervisor and ask permission from my lecturer which I'm close to but she rejected. I know that the HR may call the reference for checking so I don't dare to simply put my previous bosses (I don't think they remember me since its been more than a year)

So how should I fill in these sweat.gif ?
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post Mar 18 2020, 09:56 PM

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Great job! That's really impressive guide.
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post Apr 28 2020, 11:11 AM

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<p>Really awesome guide for recent degree holders. The following is another guide for <a href="https://www.graduationmall.com/us/">future graduates</a>. Hope it will help and benefit this community. I hope I can read similar guidance before I graduate from college. From my perspective, most content of the article is appropriate for both the <a href="https://www.graduationmall.com/us/bachelor.html">undergraduates</a> and the <a href="https://www.graduationmall.com/us/master.html">postgraduates</a>.</p>
<p>https://www.graduationmall.com/us/blog/the-work-before-leaving-the-university</p>
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post Apr 28 2020, 11:14 AM

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Really awesome guide for recent degree holders. The following is another guide for future graduatesfuture graduates. Hope it will help and benefit this community. I hope I can read similar guidance before I graduate from college. From my perspective, most content of the article is appropriate for both the undergraduatesundergraduates and the postgraduatespostgraduates.

Article
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post Jun 13 2020, 05:09 PM

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Hi fellow students and graduates! smile.gif

My post is oriented towards people in Masters and PhD especially in the fields where they have a lot of surveys and participant recruitment with stringent ethics committee regulations.

I study psychology at the masters level here in Malaysia (international student), and I've noticed that recruiting participants for an international is one of the hardest things EVER! bangwall.gif

I'm gonna say it's safe to assume that it's difficult for Malaysians as well, cuz it's really not that easy anywhere.

I stumbled upon a group made by a British guy that lets students fill out each other's surveys and I honestly think this can be a great idea here as well! I'm now concerned with my thesis but I honestly think this can be something useful to have and shared among Malaysian postgraduate students! (Malaysian students overseas studying things back at home would immensely appreciate it in my opinion)

Please let me know what you think!

Also here's the link to my survey if you wanna support me by filling and sharing. The study is on addiction to work, it would be useful for you to fill out the survey to gain insight on your work/life balance. The selection criteria are for people working in Malaysia full time. icon_idea.gif

https://hwsml.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_8FVQtnHwPf3xerr
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post Dec 8 2020, 10:07 AM

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My advice to fresh graduates. Do not too choosy when you apply for job. Even the offer is not something you want, but you may gain interview experiences from there so that you are well prepared for the job you want. Sometimes, you may have surprise from the interview. I have the same experiences. I was so impressed by the company where the office design was like those designer office. It has gym, pool, basketball machine, PS4, dart and spacious pantries. Music was playing during office hours. I decided to work for it at the end even though it was not my first choice form all the interviews I have.
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GXFC everybody!!! I've been recruiting for the past 7 years in Malaysia and later on, the APAC region (both agency-side and in-house), and recently started a resume editing and interview coaching side hustle for fun.

Every single day I see poorly written resumes/CVs, or sparse LinkedIn profiles that do little to highlight why a recruiter should even write to you, and realised - nobody really teaches any of us how to game the job application process, how to stand out from hundreds of applicants to a Jobstreet or LI ad, how to write high-impact resumes, or how to crush an interview, or why you should never take the first offer you're given (and how playing your cards right could result in a 50% improvement on your first offer that compounds over a lifetime).

Covid has also meant that we now get double or triple the number of applications for every role or vacancy available. Standing out has never been harder...

I've been compiling job application, resume / LI writing, interview, and salary negotiation tricks here for free so go check it out for tips and advice that might help! https://www.careersifu.com/

Aaaaand so here's a deal for you, if you've been covid-hit / jobless for the past couple of months, or a fresh grad entering the worst possible job market in the past decade, or just want to supercharge your resume / LinkedIn profile, or you've been applying to countless jobs and not hearing back from anyone, hit me up!

Send your LI url to me, or email over your resume, and I'll do a free 10-min diagnosis of 3 things you're doing wrong right now and how to make it better. Hope to hear from you at careersifus@gmail.com icon_idea.gif
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