not trollin or anything, but i dont get whats soo amazing about this game. the units are near same as sc1 (maybe thats a good thing) but by far the single player was far inferior to sc1 so is the story.

on the side of multiplayer i dont really see what purposeful good fun is there, unless you are really good half the tiem you kena tapau thus you cannot be a casual player and needs a lot of commitment. but also on that hand i find it superfical, gameplay wise its nothing suprising or new same old mechanics some small changes and probably thats it.

and we paid like that much money for this? like i feel really cheated in some ways, i constantly feel like its a play and forget game. if you are not in the sc2 community you just wont buy it

and to be in the sc2 community you need to put effort into the game, seriously tho i do consider myself a gamer i dont see the good end of "practicing" to beat the next guy.

probably the good thing id say was the ai, least they dont try and tank rush you to death

http://www.gomtv.net/

units seemed to be the same on paper but plays differently...
there's lots of new units etc as well...

lots of us here spent like 300+ hrs on the game already and still very happy wit it...
if u have frens to play together with especially for team games this game is a gem...

Not to offend u, currently, r u keep getting pwn and unable to improve ?

Support.. lol, apparently there are few of my friend complaining about the game being so expensive, while they keep getting pooned like mad in ladder match...

The attractive part is the multiplayer, which you can play 1v1 unlike DotA. Don't have to rage about leavers, rage when other players noob, being scolded while you yourself being noob, bad mouth / cursing about other people's mother, or being kicked while you join the game as sentinel.

Bottom line: It's less stressful and more satisfactions as compared to other games like DotA or CS.

This post has been edited by westley0214: Dec 12 2010, 07:10 PM

Dunno... if you like strategy u would love this game... just like aoe, w3, c&c, warhammer, civilization...

and ofc sc:bw

This post has been edited by rontol: Dec 12 2010, 07:19 PM

This man speak the truth.

Starcraft 2 is freaking awesome! Not so with Screamyx tho

Getting pooned is common, coz we learned from the way we get pooned so we wont make d same mistake again X infinity.
but the price is really , n i think its more down to the player of which type/ genre of game it prefer.
Personally i think SC II is juz another SC with the same game mechanism except new unit, n other new things.
Practices made improvement

strategy game doesnt suits you

I don't find the price to be expensive, i just have to save RM7 a day given if i wants to buy it in a month time, maybe it's because Starcraft was the game that grown up with me during my childhood (yes i played this game once its released when i'm 7, that's 1997), so i don't find it expensive.

This post has been edited by kEazYc: Dec 12 2010, 07:48 PM

What i means in terms of "expensive" is compare wit other games n another drawback from getting it now is screamyx. With my current housemate like to PPS n inconsistent screamyx speed, it will be no point to me atm except for d sp
hola, u play SC at 7 i only play it at 1998, since tat time pc was not so common n cheap like now even CC also limited, n need to ask SC disc to play at CC

ya SC was the child hood game of mine too! played when i was 8,9 yrs old 1999,2000.

Awesome game!

SC2 must remains the important characters in SC, if not it doesn't mean SC2 any more. (maybe blizzard sud call it star ship battle.. etc)


This post has been edited by passionbass: Dec 12 2010, 09:09 PM

PPS is different thing, it doesn't makes your streamyx to become screamyx, as long as you're using yourself, it will be streamyx to you.
Well i was lucky that the person who babysit me are rich, so i get to play some latest game that time.

I play to pawn computer only and be a support in Group Fight

I am proud to get pawn by skilled player

i think i have played around 200 matches (mostly on terran) and i still dont "get" sc2.

Why? Becoz it is so versatile and tons of possibilities and strategies. That the beauty of SC2. SC:BW is the same, no matter how good you are, there is no one "best" strategy.

You got to learn how to take "losing" as a pitch of salt

Means there is still rooms for you to improve, its a strategy games so anything would happen.

that's the beauty of this game!

the skill level of this game is limitless...

it's way better than brainless dotard and mmorpg

Starcraft 2 is indeed a very versatile game. Some units were kept in SC2 because it is an evolution from SC1. You can't expect a completely new range of units ( I'm just saying). As for the campaign, I'm kinda sorta on the fence with what you are saying. I think that the story is a tad disappointing (but i expect it to pick up in the upcoming expansions). However, i really loved the way the missions were structured. Every new mission provided you with a different experience (although i really wished there were more HD cutscenes). They even had the Lost Viking game, which was insanely fun!

I understand what you are saying about constantly getting pwned on the ladder and such. However as you may know, there are several leagues on the ladder, ranging from Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum and finally, Diamond (Master League coming soon!) which for arguments sake, slots you into an appropriate "skill" bracket. Heck, there is even a practice league for you if you really aren't confident. The new battle.net 2.0 has a matchmaking system which matches you against people with similar skill level. I for one, think this is pretty darn accurate. People of all skill levels play this game. So unless you are absolutely the worst player in the world, I don't see how you can't win a few games here and there.

If you've had any previous RTS experience, or even better, some SCBW experience, you shouldn't have much problem winning some games here and there in the Bronze league. All you have to do is learn a basic build order and you are set. Look up Liquipedia for these.

Although I agree that Starcraft 2 is pretty costly, We actually pay significantly more for the SEA version compared to the other versions that the other regions pay for. This is because we are granted access to both the North American and SEA servers. I suggest you think of it as a long term investment. I am pretty sure that SC2 is going to be around for a very long time.

+1.

ive had one good multi player game, it was 1 good one after a few rns

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the single player was passable at best, mosto times i find that the best way to win the game is to have the unit given or adopt a MMM approach and i can sweep some maps on very hard. theres only a handful of good maps id say, while some of them are entertaining id hand them that it is hardly something id say worth my buck if you get my drift. but sp is not he core point of SC2 id agree with that. but where i draw the line? homeworld 1&2, by far an old game but vastly superior to sc2 in terms of SP mechanics.

now hte multiplayer

this is what i dont like, the multiplayer. sure we have match making, battle net but thats where i get like huh? whats there thats worth my extra buck thats better than other games? the game play is comical at times and id say quite badly balanced. rushes for one, if you play toss unless you got ramps and a sentry you can defend - if not pretty much cooked; thus why i see somehow ALL maps got a ramp to your base but such game play mechanics make me feel that its rahter "simple",choke point playing has been there since the early days of whenever. its not exactly new and id hardly say also worth my few extra bucks.

here i have a game that said you need to pay more money than the next game, divides itself into 3 installments and yet if you ask me "IS IT WORTH IT" deep inside its a no. i dont see something thats special about it, and if blizzard is going to chage that much because of this multiplayer community thing, i seriously think gamers need to check their heads. gaming communities are created by gamers, always has and always will be, for blizard to put a price tag on that, imma flip.

That's why this is purely a 'Strategy' game. The balancing part is not just based on units but also the map itself. That's why there are maps that have bigger ramps. And a certain map may favor certain race.
Maybe you're not into it totally, that's why you would think it's not worth the money spent.

But from the official gamers point of view which I can assume they are expert in assessing a game, here was what I found out:

Most of them rated the game as 9/10 or 10/10 or full stars (GameSpot, GameSpy and many more).
So, I think consumers will listen critics from experts I guess..

The first time i see a bowl of laksa i almost vomited. It looks like a pile of worm like thing on a bowl of water from the most disgusting drain i can think of.

But the community said it is good so i tried it. It doesnt taste that good to a pizza. and it still reminds me of my early morning toilet bowl.

6 months passed; This day i will travel very very far just for a bowl of ayer hitam laksa. Sometimes my craving is so terrible i paid RM10 in mid valley for a bowl of laksa that hardly come close to the rm3 laksa in ayer hitam.

still, i dont "get" laksa, seriously

off topic: where is the location of ayer hitam laksa? near to the big pau shop?

Conclusion: TS is more suitable to button mashing OMG-my-finger-hurt-Games

o2 jam? cant think of another game more APM intensive than scbw

Yea, basically games that you don't need to think or worry what your opponenet is doing and just buttom mash.

Well, regarding rushes(which I assume you mean zergling rush) as a protoss player, defending can be done with building positioning and zealot + probe formation, also build order on getting zealot out fast.

When Zerg goes zergling rush, his putting a lot at gamble, if you manage to defend without lossing much probes, he will be in much trouble later on if he can't make up to it later on.

With much more grouping control and less manual button pushing, I prefer SC2 than SC:BW.

fair enough, but seriously "ramps" aint exactly good strategy acumen

those same sites gave the ever woeful obvilion a "OMG IT MADE ME CUM SCORE"; that was another game i dont udnerstand, filled with bugs to start of with. they also frequently give blockbuster games big numbers regardless if its good or bad the last C&C was ravaged by all the gamers as woeful, incomplete and downright bad, gamespot gave it a 7.5. lol

ever played homeworld 1/2? sins of a solar empire? total annihilation? those games are cheap but good, the single player campaign of homeworld itself makes sc2 weep lets not even talk about hte game mechanics.

how about sins? where 1 map is EPIC, your actions have got a long lasting effect and macro management ment something, tactical choke points were hard to defend.

how about company of heroes?

these are good games, even DoW1 with its long expansions are more value for your money than sc2.

im just not blind because its sc2, i mean of DOW series (which SC is based on) can offer a multitude of races with somewhat good balance and yet SC2 cant offer anything new thus im not sold

im more worried of the roach rush, by far at 6 mins you dont have anything to defend against it cept for some stalkers, sentry and a ramp. this is also the same for MM rushes as also you dont have much to defend cept for some stalkers, sentries and a ramp.

This post has been edited by +3kk!: Dec 13 2010, 02:11 PM

maybe you will be happier if you can fend off RR and MM push with ease?

for a 6 minutes RR, sentry and stalker should do fine if you are going 4 gate....if going 2 gate robo, a chrono-ed immo should pop out in time to fend off >9000 roaches.

MM......zealot + sentry FF split half at ramp den collo follow up....

moreover im not a toss player.....toss is so easy to 4 gate your way to diamond =.=

that is you letting him getting the roach rush...
wut i do was dual-pylon block below his ramp and put a cannon there...
that would move the rush slower by around 2 minutes...

its ez to do and take no skill...
purely strategy and information (scouting)...

1 of the most annoying strategy for a toss to do to a zerg.. LOL

Oic, you like single player campaign

Starcraft is not for you then, this game is seriously COMPETITIVE and not meant for whiners.

homeworld 2 was pretty awesome ... reli 3d strategy game ...

i'm holding off buying sc2 till all 3 comes out ... i don't think it's worth paying 170(?) for 1/3 of a game ...

after i read the part where he say "the units are near same as sc1" i straight

wont it be weird if u play starcraft 2 n find out that all the unit are different from sc1..tat is like playing a whole new game..why don they jz name it something else other than starcraft 2?

aside frm that, yes it does have a similar feel..but it has far better graphics..come on..seriously..do u tink most of the new gamers nowadays who never play starcraft would even bother to look at or buy an old game?

lastly, i love starcraft a lot..and playing starcraft 2..i feel that it is far better than starcraft 1..another reason is cause i LOVE RTS game a lot..getting pawned are good..tat means u can improve urself

and if u find "improving urself to defeat the next guy" is meaningless..then ur not fit for a gamer..as a gamer..that's what most of them will do right? to be better than the other guy

haha no comment la...

againt i repeat for others... the best part of sc2 is actually the multiplayer part

here everyone dreams to become Malaysian Marine King... opss xD

sc2 is a sport. E sport. so there must be competitions and one must push himself to improve. of course there are many leagues for your skill level so that you wont feel left out.

Example, in korea, it's consider a National Sport ..people actually live their life playing starcraft day and night haha

The quote above is rated by me as the most simple and direct answer for TS !!!! wakakakakaaa

This post has been edited by Nandeska: Dec 14 2010, 08:37 AM

well, if u dun like the normal gameplay (aka basebuilding), go play the customs...you don't need to play dota like games in sc2 either, e.g. sentry scramble, roach snake, etc...=)

there will be a few new customs to be released soon too as well by blizz, maybe you can play those when it finally arrives?

1v1 = serious business, 2v2 semi serious, 3v3 4v4 ffa = casual + funage.

Hope TS got the idea of it.

playing 3v3 and 4v4 wit frens while being on skype is one of the best experience i've had...
that much for me to stop log off WoW to join my frens (unless i am in an instance at that moment)

the over reliance on ramps as a strategy is weak. its old and as old as the days of sparta, its common sense to fight at choke points with a smaller force but to rely that as a common gameplay tactic is just sad. i mean really CHOKE POINTS?

dont you guys feel cheated that after the much hype of strategy ramp playing seems to take center stage? to me its lazy cause really, thats the oldest gameplay trick in the book.

heres the gig, you put 200 bucks into a game that was in development for a decade that got divided into 3 installments and each installment costs probably 200 bucks. thus for the trilogy you need to pay 600 bucks, which i doubt the later installments would have any different multi player systems. for the above market price im sorry im not sold with "the same game but better graphics", im expecting more a LOT more for that premium price and im not giving a hoot that its SC thus blizzard can bank on it

however, this line is where i get even more frust. games are a form of entertainment, by far its a toy, its never ment to be competitive cause that spoils the fun of it. to say starcraft is worth its value in money cause its "competitive" and its a "sport" just blows my mind, it is both NOT a competition and a sport. the only nation that treats SC that seriously is Korea and even then they dont treat SC2 that seriously.

asking me to pay 200 quid for a game pretending to be a competitive sport is fallacy. go tell anyone "hey, i am an e-athlete cause i play SC2" and youd get .

a game that costs 200 bucks need its good value of money, i dont see any value of it

u need to look at a wider picture...
the use of ramps are just one of the positional strategy u would have...
positioning is key in RTS and what made it so interesting is that it varies from game to game, maps to maps etc...
ramp or not, positioning is key...
we saw hongun lost to rain in the final game due to the positional advantage that rain have from his building placement to support his weaker range units...
which is why some people are saying that sentry is OP as they can produce such advantage in the hands of good players like tester...

the game is only as competitive as u made it to be...
no1 force u to climb up the ladder...
i have frens who are in bronze and still happy wit the game playing together with me from 1v1 to 4v4s...
on the other hand i have frens who are as competitive as they can be as far as ebaying korean accounts just to play wit the best...
both of them enjoy the game and do play wit me...
i am enjoying the game due to the people i am playing with - competitively or not depending on who i am playing with...
no doubt i do get frustrated at times when i loose but hey i have the mindset of playing for fun and am ok 5 minutes after that...

finally:
one man's meat is another man's poison...
u dun like the game, we like the game...
u dun think its worth ur $$$, we think it totally worth our $$$...
i am not here to convince u that this game is good or wut nor i care as u playing or not doesnt affect me...
just dun buy the next expansion if u dun like it and sell off ur current 1...

btw:
bigger force or not, u should always make the best advantage u have...
even when i have a bigger army of gateway units, i still forcefield ramps when i can, blink when i can...
there is no room for arrogance in RTS to think "ramps are for the weak players"...
think of why idra have been losing as he is sticking to his "i am the better player, i will take risk and macro my heart out"...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Dec 14 2010, 04:18 PM

Malaysian famous quote, u tak suka u keluar

SC2 an esport? SRSLY?
Go play the custom games, they are more fun in some ways, gives you the worth of your money

This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Dec 14 2010, 04:53 PM

Have u finished the single player campaign? Have u ever watched 'the making of sc2'? Minus the gameplay, the cutscenes, the 3D animation that they produce is by far one of the best. The quality of the production is tremendous. Playing the campaign is like watching a movie and the best part, you partially control the movie! Interaction!

About the ramp, like I said before not all maps have the same size of ramp. There are maps with bigger ramps which favors a certain race.
Same as if u go in a war. Not all environment in a battle is the same right? SO, your strategy also must involve the environment. That's why blizzard have their official map and when you're in a tornament, you can choose which map u want when it is your turn.
The point is, in a ladder match, there are myriads possibilities of producing strategies. You will not stick to just a few, coz when you're playing u can see different strategies againts u that u may not anticipate. That's the beauty of the game!!

And if u wanna have fun, u can play 3v3, 4v4 or even free for all! Seriously it's fun!
Or u can login to NA server, and play the custom games there such as desert strike and many more!!
Honestly if u explore all the possibilities in the game, RM200+ is like nothing!

I would prefer to make him like this game..

The campaign has the worst story I've ever seen, but the campaign structure is vastly superior and much much better then SC1.

Agreed. The story is just too shallow. Just collect artifacts and finally rescue Sarah. No tide and turn.

Off-topic: Warcraft III and The Frozen Throne have the best stories IMHO. I still kinda excited when Arthas murdered his own father and turned into an Undead.

Ah, someone that played the same game I played.

Homeworld, TA and to some extent Supreme Commander is revolutionary, fresh, fun to play and full of new ideas.

I remembered spending 5 hours on 1 skirmish in Supreme Commander and Homeworld. Homeworld is huge and the amount of strategy you can come up with is just totally unimaginable. Even Supreme Commander which is the succesor of TA is more fun than SC2. DoW too is a gem of its own for offering so many different races with their own uniqueness and balance.

Plus they don't come with the big price tag.

Agree these games are ages old and can still easily shame SC2 in terms of depth and gameplay.

Edit: C&C: Tiberian Sun is another all time favourite of mine, especially love it for the weather effect such as the ion storm that can bring down your whole fleet of air unit and radar as well as the meteor storm, this just makes the game a lot more exciting and use these weather effect to your tactical advantage. Love the subterranean units and amphibious units too.

This post has been edited by neoengsheng: Dec 14 2010, 05:38 PM

Well, the story to me was pretty good if u ask me, and they are reason they split it to 3 different section,

3 race and 3 story, the total gameplay length in each story is equal to the first starcraft and that makes it 3x longer than the first game. It depends on how you look at it. Maybe you're not used to buying original games thus complaining about the price.

ANd yea i do agree with westley0214 offtopic ..they are by far one of the best stories i ever play..aside frm that, command and conquer is good too

story fail so much if u have been playing any good RPGs...
dunno wut are they thinking "

still the campaign to me is really good...
upgrades etc is really well done...
that reason alone made me played the campaign twice...

Seem like someone got mad coz they can't play competitively.

Games is NOT meant for competitions?
Ohh yeah, tell that to Unreal Tournament, Street fighter, KoF, CoH, Warcraft3, DoTa, CS, etc etc etc.


Seem like TS only prefer Single player game prolly due to suffering too much Pwning Action Trauma.

It's Ok man, we understand. You should go play your Dynasty warrior or something like that.

I've played SC1 and SC2. Grinded both games for quite a bit, and find that you've given quite a bit of sweeping statements; especially the way you say how the mechanics are changed by a bit. Trust me, you can't have a direct transition from being a SC/BW champ into SC2 and expect to win the same way. Except for the familiarity of the lore; its like taking C&C Tiberian Dawn skills into Tiberian Sun. There's still a certain degree of learning curve everyone has to go through. Is that fun or boring? Well. I'd say its a bit of a grind, but to alot of people in the gaming community, they seem to like it.

When you say that if we're not into the community, you won't buy it. True.

Its the same marvel everyone gets when they look at people spending money on a booze in a club just to get drunk. Its stupid to spend money on something that is detrimental. but it doesn't reflect on the quality of the product, or the amount of money that is spent investing on the development of the product. Better, cheaper drinks out there, with better value per litre. then again, its not always about that.

Its the community that supports the product too.

if you don't engage the community, basically you're not leveraging on what can give you the most bang of your buck. other than the custom base building games you hate, there's also dota mods, RPG mods, tower defence mods and all that shenanigans. All these have been done, yep. but we all will never know, the next counterstrike, DOD, DOTA or custom game idea might just be birthed out from this game. And then it might be a different story.

There are so many reasons its priced at RM250. I don't work for blizzard, but I work in the creative line- and I can tell you, if only you knew, they're actually not milking you like a swindle. Getting a team to work at a game that pays itself off after 10+ years... well. You need to make sure all the work pays off to feed these fellas families and keep the dept. running.

I'm in no way trying to convince you otherwise tho. I'm just saying that there's ways for you to make that RM250 worth. Its never the issue of ramp strategies or cheese rushes or single unit massive void rays. If one pays RM250 just to play 6 pool rushes in every game, yeah. sucks to be them. But is it blizzard's fault? err. Well.

I'm a casual player btw. but "casual" itself is so broadly defined. I'd say that really- RM250 can buy you alot of games. Just like how RM50 can buy you 10times more chicken rice and protein value than a Chargrilled Steak. Its what we're looking for in life that counts.

-edit: added note: Since you're in a forum about starcraft, your post is instigating this game's lovers to respond defensively about the game... I don't think you'd really find any answer really getting you anywhere close to loving the game tho. haha. Its like going into a gay forum and commenting how you don't understand why men can get aroused by each other. Its just... you know. weird.

This post has been edited by picibel: Dec 14 2010, 07:17 PM

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Well said picibel

maybe TS can post in official Blizzard forum and see what's their respond?

xD

i think TS get cheese n owned all the time at ladder~

finally someone understands! i mean seriously the strategy options for SUP COM was endless TA even. when you can automate your whole base, send in wealth of nukes vs counter nukes. i mean how many counters are there for a spiderbot attack, endless! once i even used to nuke my own territory just to prevent a spiderbot spam. it was beautiful, i shed manly tears, a game that understands nuking.

TA had new units every damn month, every month it was something new to play with and to make things better they never spoiled the game. the units never got old, never got out of date, and seriously back then watching planes dodge each other made me cream my pants.

homeworld 1&2, beautiful. period.

all the games ive mentioned have things that you never seen before, it was fresh, new, heck if they demanded 200 bucks for something that adds a new unit every month im all up for it. im willing too pay 250 this day even for the same homeworld 2 what both amazed me just by mere gameplay.

fair enough, im just trying to get some deep unknown gameplay that i should know of. if there's nothing but that supposed thing i see as SC2 and a few peeps here pointing, joo cant play ladder thus joo suck, i rest my case i wont like the game. but here i am with a wealth of fans of blizzard that is content that blizzard charged them 250 because SC2 is the same exact game as SC1 with nearly the same exact story as WC3 (great prophecy, its heard in all blizzard games) i guess im a bit too unforgiving and set the bar too high.

and really i dont play ladder cause i dont intend to nor have the point to see myself "compete" that many matches so i can have some online name saying hey i beat <insert nick> here. i play a game to enjoy it, have a wonderful experience not to gloat about my online account.

This post has been edited by +3kk!: Dec 14 2010, 10:37 PM

well the problem is that the whole topic is about you

A lot of people agree with you. But we just don't bother posting here.

topic closed, i wont like the game