i think radzinski onside bcoz got sun ji hai... i think that just 1 opponent not 2...

Thank you That's the match I meant just now.

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Added on December 7, 2010, 4:19 pm@Horras, no. It's offside. read pyro explanation.

This post has been edited by ericling: Dec 7 2010, 04:19 PM

but actually you need 2(they say 1 becoz they disregard the keeper based on the assumption that the keeper is always on the goal line or behind the 2nd last defender if you count the goalie as a defender)

This post has been edited by SGSuser: Dec 7 2010, 04:24 PM

There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

but in this case Vela not directly received the ball from the corner kick right? No wonder there are some team only send 1 player to guard the goal line during corner kick.

Yes, the ball was headed by another mexican before reaching Vela.

Thank you for all the explanation. Now i understand that. But the linesman in that Fulham vs City match didn't raise his flag, so i automatically think it was onside.

I'd say because recent incident like Vela goal on South Africa had made the officials to be more alert in these situation. If I'm not mistaken, the footage TS showed was 2002. That's 8 years ago and not to mention the offside ruling or eagle eye are not as advance compare to now.

come to think of it, the rule might not be the same back then, it could have been tweaked since then. im not too sure, i think back then i dont even know what an offside is yet

I think the only tweak made just recently was the allowance of players being in offside position but not interfering with play, then the ref has no need to blow the whistle... other than that I haven't heard any changes to it

back to the incident at SA WC, there was a pundit who was outrage on live tv at half time with the ref's decision to disallow the goal but was made to apologize after he found out he was wrong...how embarrassing hahaha

imagine football played without offside rule

You'll be seeing at least 7 players from team A moving near team B's goal post.

after all the explanations from otai2 here, you still call it as onside..?

it will be onside IF there's another city's player between sun n radzinski...

there is a situation similar that what happen to Villa's goal happen in M-League this year... (Selangor vs Johor FC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbQHvcko4Qs...player_embedded


an experienced football comentator repeatedly bash the referee and the linesman as wrong to judge the goal as offside because eventhough the GK goes awol, clearly there is an outfield player on the goal line...

the was a heated arguament among experienced fans as well...

many people claimed they knew about offside rule, but not many understand the correct interpretation according to FIFA rule book.

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 7 2010, 08:24 PM

I have one question. When you said 2 defending players between the goal line and the attacking opponent, what is considered as 'between'?

bcos sometimes i watch those replays of offside calls even though the attacking opponent has his forehead or the back of his shoe over the offside line' he's called offside. Shouldn't it be more general and easy to spot for example basing the offside call on the position of his upper body which is easier to decide if one is offside or not?

you are offside when your head, body or leg is in an offside position when compared against an opponent's LAST BODY PART. For example, check out Chicharito's goal against France in the World Cup:



as you can see, his whole body is beyond the 2nd last man's head and body (the last man would be the goalie). However, that defender's leg is the measure of the offside line as shown by the darkened area of the pitch. That defender's leg rendered Chicharito ONSIDE. A very good decision by the linesman, in fact i think the World Cup 2010 tournament has one of the best offside/onside decisions i've ever seen in the recent times (amidst the terrible linesman call over the past few years).

So when those hard-to-make offside decisions involves only the leg goes beyond the offside line, it is because the leg of the striker goes beyond the defender's last body part (leg, head or body). Hand's are not counted.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 7 2010, 09:03 PM

fully understood. thanks

in my opinion, they should just fix them to torso only like sprint finish to reduce the confusion.

well...let say a goal scored using the foot and the foot is the only part that is offside..it wouldn't fair right to the conceding team if offside based down until torso part only..my 2 cents

This post has been edited by heizad: Dec 7 2010, 11:02 PM

the goal was CLEARLY offside. stupid commentators...

but the dive was classic...

great piece of skill before the dive though, reminds me of Denilson who used to play for Betis in La Liga