refer to the video above. Is Radzinki was in offside position or not? I know Sun Jihai was there but is Sun Jihai considered as last opponent or second last opponent?
Somebody comment to be onside the player must have 2 opponents between the player and the goal line?

EDIT: Sorry my bad, it's OFFside.


This post has been edited by ericling: Dec 7 2010, 04:01 PM

he is way onside isnt it?

This post has been edited by jhchong: Dec 7 2010, 03:49 PM

A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent

In that case Sun Jihai was not second-last opponent because David James was gone MIA, now i'm really confuse.

Wow, that's pretty confusing after I recalled back South Africa's match in 2010 World cup.Ops sorry my bad, it's offside if I am not mistaken.

This post has been edited by ericling: Dec 7 2010, 03:56 PM

OFFSIDE.

People always think offside is only when the player is beyond the last defender. that is wrong, that is a simplified meaning, because most of the time the goalie will still be there. You need to have at least 2 opponents between the receiving player and the goal line to be onside. In that case, only Sun Jihai is in between Radzinski and the goal line. so it is offside.

Another issue to look at, is Radzinski in front of the passing player when the ball is played. If Radzinski is behind, then it is onside. From the video, it looks like Radzinski is in front of the player when the ball is passed to him. so it is still an offside.

which match? I also confuse because on the FIFA rule there are no explanation for various situation.

radzinski is OFFSIDE... those who say "CLEARLY onside" CLEARLY doesnt know how the offside rule applies. That being said, the offside rule has always been a headache.

what do you meant by this? I thought that law only applied on rugby?

Sun was the last opponent, that means the second last opponent would be behind him, so its pretty obvious radzinski is nearer to the goal line than the boal and that opponent no?





here's a wiki quote because i think this is the best way to explain the second part of what i said, with diagrams and simple wordings

The simplest way to explain offside, is to meet this 2 criteria:
1) the player is offside when there is less than 2 opponents between that player and the goal line.
2) the player is nearer to the goal line than the ball.

of course, the offside rule only applies to the opponent's half, and it wont be offside if the ball is received from goal kick, throw ins or cornerkicks.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 7 2010, 04:06 PM

The blue forward in the penalty box of the diagram is not in an offside position, as he is behind the ball, despite the fact that he is in front of all but one of his opponents.

Picture may help you, cheer.
Pic source

there's 2 Man City players when the Fulham player made that pass, and its not off side if you look at the second pic in the wikipedia offside page (sun jihai acting as the last player)

Ouch, pyro beat me!

wow, that's pretty tricky. No wonder a linesman is a tough job.

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Added on December 7, 2010, 4:07 pmso Radzinki is onside or offside?

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Dec 7 2010, 04:07 PM

2 city players, but that doesnt change the fact that there is only ONE player between Radzinski and goal line, and that ONE player is Sun Jihai. you need TWO to be onside.

and from my view, this situation doesnt tally with wiki's 2nd pic because the ball is further than the goal line that Radzinski was. the wiki pic shows the ball (white) nearer to the goal line than the blue striker in the box. In Radzinski's case, he is nearer to the goal line compare to the ball.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Dec 7 2010, 04:12 PM

Radzinski is offside because Sunjihai is the last player. You need two opponents between the receiving player and the goal line to be onside.

offside because James(keeper) wasn't there when Malbranque made the pass.. pyro's explanation explains it all

The simplest way to explain offside, is to meet this 2 criteria:
1) the player is offside when there is less than 2 opponents between that player and the goal line.
2) the player is nearer to the goal line than the ball.

Just stick to this 2 guide and you will never go wrong of course, it is tough for linesman to follow this rule every single time and the situation only presents itself for a split second (the moment the ball is passed). Easy for us to decide with replay and so on, but for them its difficult.

Tomasz Radzinski offside already because Jihai is not considered last man. But if he's behind the passer (No idea who passed the ball to him) and he scored, then it's valid goal.

okay watch this video, happened in the opening match of the wc recently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK9OvAlAUVE

you should really understand it after watching that, but if still can't then read some of the comments there and you'll get a better idea