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post Dec 4 2010, 01:56 PM

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So Dragons = Jin?

But Dragons dont exist. So using back your logic( Dragons = Jin), Jins also dont exist.

So if Jin dont exist, Quran is wrong. So if Quran wrong, Islam is wrong

I think you talk cock so much is trying to prove to us Islam is wrong?
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post Dec 4 2010, 02:03 PM

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this is so funny,
even IF all are decendants from Alexander, they should be ashame, see the progress made by the decendants,
china = new superpower
europe= west superpower
melaka = ??????
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post Dec 4 2010, 02:15 PM

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no, dragon didnt exist. it's mythology, bro. how can you mix mythology with history?

if dragon existed, i think maybe pikachu also exists la somewhere in the forest.

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QUOTE(mars2003 @ Dec 4 2010, 02:03 PM)
this is so funny,
even IF all are decendants from Alexander, they should be ashame, see the progress made by the decendants,
china = new superpower
europe= west superpower
melaka = ??????
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Melaka = no superpower, superhero got la...Hang Tuah...but wait...isn't he Admiral Zheng He..once, again hijacked as malay warrior when in actual fact he is non-malay...

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QUOTE(ChcGamer @ Dec 4 2010, 01:56 PM)
So Dragons = Jin?

But Dragons dont exist. So using back your logic( Dragons = Jin), Jins also dont exist.

So if Jin dont exist, Quran is wrong. So if Quran wrong, Islam is wrong

I think you talk cock so much is trying to prove to us Islam is wrong?
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in japanese language jin mean "human".. maybe related to Terra-Cotta Warriors during Qin dynasty



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post Dec 4 2010, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Dec 4 2010, 02:18 PM)
in japanese language jin mean "human".. maybe related to Terra-Cotta Warriors during Qin dynasty



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post Dec 4 2010, 02:33 PM

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jgn nak taksub sgt la

sekadar knowledge suda


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post Dec 4 2010, 02:56 PM

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i support this thread...

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QUOTE(eszol @ Dec 4 2010, 02:33 PM)
jgn nak taksub sgt la

sekadar knowledge suda
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TUN SRI LANANG PROFILE.. the real author of Sulalatus Salatin, Sejarah Melayu book

QUOTE(antara penyimpan rahsia kerajaan kesultanan Melayu Johor terutamanya dan juga kerajaan kesultanan Melayu Melaka)
Tun Muhammad bin Tun Ahmad, better known as Tun Sri Lanang, is the Bendahara (Grand Vizier) of the royal Court of Johor Sultanate who lived between the 16th and 17th centuries. He served under two Sultans of Johore namely; Sultan Ali Jalla Abdul Jalil Shah II (1570–1597) and Sultan Alauddin Riayat Shah III (1597–1615) and also advisers to 3 Acheh sultans namely; Sultan Iskandar Muda (until 1636), Sultan Iskandar Thani (1636–1641) and Sultana Tajul Alam Safiatuddin Shah (1641–1675). He had two honorific titles throughout his lifetime; as the Bendahara of Johor, Bendahara Paduka Raja Tun Mohamad, while he was given the title of Orang Kaya Dato' Bendahara Seri Paduka Tun Seberang after settling in Aceh.

Tun Sri Lanang was born in 1565 in Seluyut, Johore, and was descended from Tun Tahir, a brother of Bendahara Tun Mutahir of Malacca.[3] There are not many records about his period as Bendehara in Johore. However during the rule of Sultan Alauddin Riayat Shah III, he shouldered a heavier burden on the affairs of the state as the Sultan is a weak ruler. He shared the responsibility with the Sultan's brother Raja Abdullah (later to become Sultan Abdullah Maayah Shah which reigns between 1615 to 1623).

During the period the Dutch were attacking the Portuguese for the port of Malacca. The Dutch signed a friendship treaty with the Johor Sultanate (in 1606) with Tun Sri Lanang as a representative. Tun Sri Lanang refused the Dutch request of helping the Dutch to blockade the port of Malacca preferring the Dutch do it themselves.

In 1612, at the request of Raja Abdullah to pen the Malay Annals to ensure " ... all the adat, the rules and the ceremonies of the Malay Sultans and Rajas to be heard by our descendants and is made known all utterances so that it may benefit them". At this time, under the orders of Sultan Alauddin Riaayat Shah, Tun Sri Lanang oversaw the editorial and compilation process of the Malay Annals, better known as Sejarah Melayu in Malay.

In 1613, Acheh attacked Johore and in the battle of Batu Sawar. Johore was defeated and the Royal Family and Tun Sri Lanang was captured and brought to Acheh. The Bendaharaship was continued by his descendants. His notable descendants include Bendehara Tun Habib Abdul Majid and the Raja Temenggung of Muar.

In Aceh a brief "reeducation" the Johor Royal Family was returned to Johore. Tun Sri Lanang elected to stay in Acheh. He became advisor to the third Sultan of Acheh and was bestowed an Acheh honorific title. He was awarded a personal fief in Samalanga, Aceh in 1613 and held the title Uleebalang of Samalanga. He died in 1659 in Samalanga.

Some of Tun Sri Lanang's descendants rule as the Uleebalang of Samalanga until 1949, when Indonesia was formed in the same year. Many of his descendants are fervent nationalists including the female warrior Pocut Meuligo,[8] Teuku Muhammad Daud, Teuku Abdul Hamid Azwar and Teuku Hamzah Bendehara. Some of his descendants carry the "Bedahara" suffix to their names indicating their ancestry.

His legacy is not only the magnum opus "Sejarah Melayu" but also includes the strongly Islamic flavor of Samalanga. Samalanga is also known as "Kota Santri", or "Town of Medrassas" is the centre of Islamic propagation in Acheh until today. Samalanga was also among the last town to fall to the Dutch during the time of the last Sultan of Acheh, Sultan Muhammad Daud Shah and also one of his strongholds.

Bendahara Sri Maharaja Tun Mutahir (died 1510) was a famous bendahara of the Malaccan Sultanate. He was the seventh bendahara, a post equivalent to a prime minister. Prior to holding the post of bendahara, he also held the post of Temenggung. Mutahir was highly respected to the extent that traders who would visit Malacca would recite a prayer that included the verse "semoga dapat bertemu Bendahara Seri Maharaja" (May we be able to meet the Bendahara Seri Maharaja). He was also an influential Gujerat Muslim leader in Malacca who elected Gujerat Muslims to important posts in the Malaccan government. This caused uneasiness among Malays (Raja Mendeliar and Laksamana Khoja Hassan), they accused Mutahir of conspiring a plot to overthrow Sultan Mahmud. The sultan immediately ordered the execution of Mutahir's family with the exception of Tun Fatimah, Mutahir's daughter whom the sultan desired to marry. Upon realizing his mistake, Sultan Mahmud abdicated in favour of his son, Sultan Ahmad Shah.
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in the book of Sulalatus Salatin originally recorded by Tun Sri Lanang..
maharaja cina said he and sultan of malacca is the descendant of Iskandar Zulkarnain.. page 131

kerana kita pun daripada anak cucu Raja Iskandar Zul-karnain, sebangsa juga dengan raja Melaka, kerana tiadalah ada dalam alam dunia ini raja-raja yang besar daripada kita.

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Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia (UKM) sampai namakan perpustakaan utama mereka Perpustakaan Tun Sri Lanang..
website rasmi Perpustakaan Tun Sri Lanang Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia : http://pkukmweb.ukm.my/~library

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post Dec 4 2010, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Dec 4 2010, 12:51 AM)
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QUOTE(djhenry91 @ Dec 4 2010, 12:52 AM)
tis is bullshit laa....my dad also laugh tis when he read tht
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QUOTE(Yong_5290 @ Dec 4 2010, 12:59 AM)
lanjiao !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Dec 4 2010, 01:00 AM)
eh wait so means we are oso bumiputera lo?

I SAPOT. I AM MELAYU
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QUOTE(toothgnasher @ Dec 4 2010, 03:27 AM)
iskandar zulkarnain is gay
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post Dec 4 2010, 03:16 PM

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I dont care what stupid tv channels can bullshit what they want but you should do some research and see for urself southeast asia influence is mainly from india n china. Alexander Zulkarnain has nothing 2 do with u guys and sejarah malaysia is all edited suka hati and not very reliable .Melaka was founded by Parameswara a hindu prince and im quite sure he does not have zulkarnain's blood also u look at kedah's history or some other state there was indian influece there long b4 ketuanan melayu came about oso. Parameswara is indian hang tuah is chinese so conclusion is you guys have nothing 2 do with iskandar zulkarnain but just a hybrid between this 2 races .There was a recent archaelogical site somewhere in Johor but isn't it obvious why the government wont let archaelogist to research the place?? hahahaa stfu

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QUOTE(md11 @ Dec 4 2010, 02:17 PM)
Melaka = no superpower, superhero got la...Hang Tuah...but wait...isn't he Admiral Zheng He..once, again hijacked as malay warrior when in actual fact he is non-malay...
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That is why they dont want him in the history books anymore =)
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Okok good tell the gov 'hak istimewa' also granted to cina.. Sama asal mah..
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Dec 4 2010, 01:25 AM)
hack3line, please, stop. i myself am a malay, and as much as i love being one, i dont go around telling people that meleis are from japan la, from iskandar zulkarnain la, from china, from moon, etc. whatever it is that u're trying to accomplish, ur actions will bring more hatred from other race towards meleis.
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i am a chinese. i dont hate Malays. Malays are the friendliest race in Malaysia. They are so willing to help as demonstrated last time when my father was ailing. In fact, we live peacefully and celebrate all occasions together. Its the POLITICIANS that are dividing us.
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I suppork TS. this sejarah is TRUE! chainis and meleis same keturunan. we are one and the same. so, TS, time to abolish whatever special HAK that is seperating us!
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QUOTE(loki @ Dec 4 2010, 03:24 PM)
i am a chinese. i dont hate Malays. Malays are the friendliest race in Malaysia. They are so willing to help as demonstrated last time when my father was ailing. In fact, we live peacefully and celebrate all occasions together. Its the POLITICIANS that are dividing us.
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I agree becos myself have many good malay frens. The prob is hatred towards malays frm other races is rooted from the politicians. 'ular besar' if u know wht i mean.
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1st of all, what makes you think those 5 Hang is Malay? even Hang Li Po is chinese... betul punya sejarah tak boleh guna pakai punya, kita sudah kena tipu wooo...
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QUOTE(sniper69 @ Dec 4 2010, 03:28 PM)
1st of all, what makes you think those 5 Hang is Malay? even Hang Li Po is chinese... betul punya sejarah tak boleh guna pakai punya, kita sudah kena tipu wooo...
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The name 'Hang' itself alredi tell us they not Malays. In actual, the pengasas in this country is not the Malays, its the natives/orang asli and they are treated badly.. Malays could be from Indon ancestry becos Parameswara was a Palembang prince. So tell me any reason only Malay can be PM in this country? If priority, the orang asli has the upmost right to be PM. They were the earliest resident in this country. Malays dont pre-book all jawatan tinggi in gov.

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QUOTE(Virion @ Dec 4 2010, 02:15 PM)
no, dragon didnt exist. it's mythology, bro. how can you mix mythology with history?

if dragon existed, i think maybe pikachu also exists la somewhere in the forest.
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definisi dragon atau naga.. "naga" ini adalah dalam bahasa sanskrit yang mula-mula diperkenalkan oleh bangsa aryan dahulu

QUOTE(apakah itu naga?)
Naga merupakan sejenis makhlus mitos yang biasanya digambarkan sebagai ular (atau reptilia lain) yang besar dan berkuasa, serta mempunyai kuasa sakti makhlus mitos yang mempunyai kebanyakan atau sebahagian ciri-ciri naga dapat dijumpai dalam kebanyakan budaya di dunia
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QUOTE(what is dragon?)
Dragons are legendary creatures, typically with serpentine or otherwise reptilian traits, that feature in the myths of many cultures.


ayat al-quran yang berkaitan dengan "naga", kisah nabi musa

وَأَلۡقِ عَصَاكَ فَلَمَّا رَآهَا تَهۡتَزُّ كَأَنَّهَا جَانٌّ وَلَّي مُدۡبِرًا وَلَمۡ يُعَقِّبۡ يَا مُوسَي لَا تَخَفۡ إِنِّي لَا يَخَافُ لَدَيَّ الۡمُرۡسَلُونَ (10

terjemahan ayat di atas : "Dan (sekarang) campakkanlah tongkatmu. Maka apabila dia melihat tongkatnya itu (menjadi seekor ular besar) bergerak cepat tangkas, seolah-olah seekor ular kecil, berpalinglah dia melarikan diri dan tidak menoleh lagi. (Lalu dia diseru): Wahai Musa, janganlah takut, sesungguhnya Rasul-rasul itu semasa mengadapku (menerima wahyu), tidak sepatutnya merasa takut" (terjemahan surah an-naml : ayat 10)

kisah iskandar zulkarnain semasa hendak bina tembok yakjud makjud dulu.. diceritakan di dalam al-quran

آتُونِي زُبَرَ الۡحَدِيدِ حَتَّي إِذَا سَاوَي بَيۡنَ الصَّدَفَيۡنِ قَالَ انفُخُوا حَتَّي إِذَا جَعَلَهُ نَارًا قَالَ آتُونِي أُفۡرِغۡ عَلَيۡهِ قِطۡرًا (96)

terjemahan ayat di atas : "Bawalah kepadaku beberapa ketul-ketul besi”; sehingga ketika besi-besi itu telah menyamai kedua-dua tebing gunung itu dia berkata, Hembuskanlah api! Ketika api itu telah menjadi sebagai api dia berkata pula: Bawakanlah kepadaku hancuran tembaga , supaya ku tuangkan diatasnya. (terjemahan surah al-kahfi : ayat 96)

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kemungkinan besar ada benarnya apa yang Sultan Kelantan yang pertama dalam sejarah negeri Kelantan (Nik Muhammadiah atau Sultan Mohammad I Kelantan) dalam wasiat dia kata makhluk yang diarahkan menghembuskan api dari mulut dia untuk tolong Iskandar Zulkarnain bina tembok yakjud dan makjud, itu ialah makhluk jadian iaitu Naga atau dalam bahasa Siam dipanggil Merong. Tempat kejadiannya ialah di negara China. Kehebatan makhluk naga ini (hari ini dikatakan mitos) menyebabkan Maharaja China menggunakan makhluk ini sebagai simbol kekuatan kerajaan mereka.

semua tu ilmu orang dulu-dulu, diaorang memang suka main ilmu magic keluar ular banyak-banyak, dan ilmu yang paling dahsyat ialah mukjizat yang dianugerahkan tuhan kepada nabi Musa.. Shi Huang Ti pengasas negara china memang amat dikenali sebagai orang yang amat kuat dengan amalkan ilmu "magic" seperti yang didakwa oleh orang barat. whistling.gif

a myth?? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(mu77 @ Dec 4 2010, 03:34 PM)
The name 'Hang' itself alredi tell us they not Malays. In actual, the pengasas in this country is not the Malays, its the natives/orang asli and they are treated badly.. Malays could be from Indon ancestry becos Parameswara was a Palembang prince. So tell me any reason only Malay can be PM in this country? If priority, the orang asli has the upmost right to be PM. They were the earliest resident in this country. Malays dont pre-book all jawatan tinggi in gov.
Melayukan dikaitkan dengan Illuminati, jadik... mereka lebih "berkuasa", mereka cepat-cepat mendahului, "memotong" bangsa lain supaya Illuminati sendiri yang memerintah bangsa lain

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