Today i was talking with a friend that studies sport science and he showed me his research.... research on how to improve players throw in ability. According to him, not many football players can throw in very well because this skill is underestimated and under-trained. A lot of team dont look at this as an essential skill.

"Just look at Delap, how many premier league players can throw like him? Delap is shit, he cant play crap, they want him just for throw ins. If we can produce a player to throw like him, he'll start every game."

There was a saying for defenders if you're stuck, just put the ball out for a throw, but if you're up against Delap, you won't give away cheap throw ins, because for him every throw in is like a cross


So for me, its true, all the teams i played with, from secondary to now.... none of them work on their throw ins, in fact if you look at our lower division football leagues, players tends to make a lot of mistakes with throw ins... always foul throw.

I have almost never seen a team train on throw ins.

It seems a lot of teams don't think throw ins are important neither do they train to improve it.


I think football players that are reading this thread should train your throw in skills more often...

Good stuff man,I like these football threads that talk bout real life football

How to train throw-ins?Thought it's all just rather the same

The moment i see this thread, first person i think of is Rory Delap.

With regards to throw in, i wouldn't say big team don't have the expertise to throw like Delap. There's no real science behind Delap's rocket throw. Just the right strength and technique when launching the ball. The real question is, is there a need to throw like he does and is there players to head in from the rocket throw in. I don't know about others but teams like Arsenal always favour short throw ins. Firstly, they don't have big burly strikers like Stoke City to attack throw ins. Arsenal has always relied on speedy,skillful and technical players in the attacking front. Therefore, they're ball players who prefer to play on the ground rather than on the air. Stoke on the other hand play it to their strength and when i say that, i meant their strength and physique literally. That being said, what they lack technically, they make it up with muscle power and height.

I think Stoke's goal rate from such rocket throw ins are quite decent. Nevertheless, it does not mean its a sure fire way of scoring goals as statistically speaking, teams that score the most in a season like Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal never relied on rocket throw to score.

In the local social / casual leagues, just taking proper throw-in without the ref blowing for a foul is challenging enough :-D

Agreed,how many times have we actually seen Stoke score from Delap's throw in?Only once against Liverpool,if I'm not mistaken it was the first out of 23 games..

i agree

For me, i think only smaller teams opt for long throw ins. I mean, if you have the quality of Manchester United, Arsenal , you could have easily pass the ball into the one of the players field, start your passing games, and penetrate through defends.

But for smaller teams like maybe Stoke City? They don't get that much chance to go forward. So they rely on those set pieces. And apparently, they figured that long throws are rather similar to free kicks.

I think Delap is not the first in attempting such rocket throw ins. I remember Liverpool and John Arne Risse using such throws ins to great effect, similarly Bolton's former hero, Jay Jay Okocha is pretty good at it too.

But if you ask me, i find it quite irritating that each time Stoke gets a throw in, the ballboy would hand a towel to Delap and he'd polish the ball before throwing it. That's 30 seconds. Imagine they get 10 or so throws in vital areas thruought the game.

There are 11 lone last season in which 8 of matches with the crucial throw in was a victory. 2 matches of them were against Arsenal and another win against Manchester city. Its very scary if you look at it.

theres a board down there...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_Delap

This post has been edited by liez: Nov 30 2010, 12:59 AM

yo i was trying to say that throw in is an important skill and footballer should work on it and not think its not important. Imagine if all you can throw like delap, everytime you take throw in your opponent will sweat dealing with it.

Stoke doesnt score much from Delap's throw in doesnt mean it is not a threat to the defense.

its a big advantage.

about how to improve throw ins, u need strong core balance, arm and back muscle. u need a good flexibility and lastly proper technique.

and make sure the ball is NOT wet. The last time i played a game while it was raining. My fingers slipped when taking throw in. The ball fell to the ground IN THE field. The opponents appealed to the ref but the ref said play on, but when i took it didnt went far becoz its slippery.

if anyone here knows the secret to long throw ins, plz do share.

This post has been edited by FLampard: Nov 30 2010, 01:21 AM

well a good throw in need great body coordination - the power starts from feet to body and to arms for a great rocket throw. It's not just only about hand power.

I guess if u don't have enough strong arms then u might consider this kind of throw-in. Focusing on technique, the motion of your body accelerates the ball but lack accuracy. And the ball went upwards and slow down by mid air, if she can improved it by rocketing that speed (don't make it rainbow)...it's deadly too.

This post has been edited by ProbMan: Nov 30 2010, 08:26 AM

not really related. Gomes (GK of Spurs) love to use throw a ball rather than using his kick. his long throw able to cross the half way line and i believe its more accurate than his kick.

but it seem he's cut it out these days..

that's the problem i have too watching the rocket throw in by Delap. since it's something like a free kick to Stoke, just imagine players are allowed to mop around 30 seconds for a free kick in the middle of the field, sure get a caution.

rocket throws are all right, by my books. but don't take such a long time to wax the ball until it sparkles.

rocket throws ... didn't arsene comment on that awhile ago ... not surprising, considering arsenal's weakness, that is dealing with set pieces ...

it's surprising that not that many teams try to master this trick ... it's like a free cross whenever you get a throw in ...

delap is a javelin thrower in his youth.

so that's the reason of he "cleaning" the ball with a cloth every time before he throws it?

yes, that was the most awkward moment in all the times i take throw ins....


when i was about to release, the ball slipped cause its wet and slippery....

Lol it gets pretty annoying though when u always see him take a cloth and gently wipe the ball before he throws it

he loved balls lol

and i also noticed that most of the time its the LB,or RB will take the throw ins, coincidence? or just a norm?

norm, because RM/LM offer better in offensive

yes, as most of the time, the ball from throw ins will connect to midfielders, therefore using fullbacks are more efficient.

If a midfielder is throwing the ball, the other midfielder will have to receive it, which will reduce the width of the midfield lines.

if the ball thrown was threaten by opposing players, the receiver can always pass it back to the thrower and spray/control the ball.

Just my opinion based on my logic.

I am one of those guilty ones who thought throw ins are simply throwing the ball from behind the head, until i played in a proper league games this year. It's crazy, even when in your mind you know when to release, and what to avoid, you still cant help but do foul throws during match. Ball cant release too soon, cant release too slow, cant loop, cant be downwards, cant spin it etc.

In a normal game, especially in Malaysia where there's no proper referee looking over you, you wont realize you made a mistake coz other players also not too sure about that as well. But in Australia where i played in the South Australia Amateur Soccer League, there's proper referee registered, and my oh my....i try to avoid taking throws myself.

To be honest, some of the short throws by the players, even in EPL, looks like a foul to me. I think because for them, it's the least of their worry and referee wouldn't be too bothered with those coz they have much more important fouls to look out for. But in amateur or semi-professional leagues, dei....give away so many possesion due to foul throws

Indeed, not easy to do.

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Added on November 30, 2010, 7:02 pmOur team gave away soooooo many foul throws especially in the first few games of the season, out coach asks us to do training drills involving throw ins as well

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Nov 30 2010, 07:02 PM

wtf u have a chance to play at oversea leagues..... i am jealous cause those are my dreams.


btw Australian football standard isnt that high actually ( to be real honest) , they are better known for rugby.

coz im studying overseas

well the football league here have many tiers, and the ones i played in are quite low actually hehe...our team is basically the uni team, and most of our members are overseas students, half from Malaysia/Singapore and the rest are either locals or Europeans. We cant match the other teams on strength and size, i mean...i jump to try to head the ball still cant beat their centre back so we rely on good passing and speed and tired out the older farts in the second half.

But i guess playing against tougher opponents who wouldnt hesitate in giving you a run for your money does make u develop. I mean...in Malaysia i wouldnt have to worry of a 100kg, 1.8m defender coming in and barge me

im feeling the agony for not choosing a twinning program to go oversea now.

thank u mate

australians like this 'fun' sport called aussie rules, which from my one and only time playing it some uni mates, is a game in which you can do anything to the person carrying with the ball. To say that is was a bruising experience was an understatement.

Sounds fun I bet the playing field there is nice and smooth right?The ones in Malaysia are bad..


Lol played that before,damn it was rough

i like long throw ins.it really shows the team weaknesses in set plays

besides throw in got no offsides.just like backpasses from hell

I remember my school's football tournament, both team's players took 6 foul throws CONTINUOUSLY.
Team A foul throw,Team B foul throw,Team A foul throw,Team B foul throw. Repeat for 6 times
The referee turned out into a throw in coach then

Yeah somehow in the social leagues the referees are much stricter with throw-ins. I suppose it'll really destroy the flow and excitement of the game if the refs do the same for televised EPL games - although their throw-ins are sometimes much worse than the amateurs!

how many teams can have this luxury?

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Added on December 1, 2010, 1:44 am

This post has been edited by FLampard: Dec 1 2010, 01:44 AM

Hahah... that explains it !!! I'm a javelin thrower & of course the technique involved in throwing the javelin is a great help in developing all the muscles involved.

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Added on December 1, 2010, 5:13 pmFor keepers, the ability to throw is considered an essential skill. & U need to be able to throw until the halfway line as a keeper. Why ? Becoz unlike kicks, throwing can be much more accurate & I believe many of U have seen how a throw from a keeper can immediately start a counter attack. The keeper is already holding the ball, instead of having to take his time to start a kick, it's a lot faster to just throw the ball. Rashid Hassan (National, KL & currently Selangor's GK coach) was one local keeper with a very strong throw...

This post has been edited by tenno: Dec 1 2010, 05:13 PM

Liverpool used to have a monster thrower in the name of John Arne Riise.

Morten Gamst Perdersen has a wicked throw in his arsenal too

I feel you man, I've played in NZ social league division 2.. the first 5 league games.. foul throws all around lol, the ref even threatened to giv us a card for it but we couldn't help it. It is truly an underrated skill

And I'm playing left back so I know exactly how you feel.

There's been a few occasions where I took down running wingers, the guy stood up like nothing happened, I stood there with my left/right foot thinking in my mind *ouch.. i think that hurt me more than him* darn those big dudes lol

This post has been edited by nzboy: Dec 4 2010, 02:25 PM

you guys have played with caucasian with bigger body build than us..

what your comment that countries from South East Asia would never go far on world stage because we are among the lowest average height teams round?

is there truly a glass ceiling of achievement limited by height and physical build? or everthing is just in the mind..

people always gives example how messi and xavi excells in europe despite their lack of height. But they have other teammates that covers their physical defficiencys and if messi and xavi line up beside Malaysia national team, their height already above average..

what do you think?

This post has been edited by aressandro10: Dec 7 2010, 12:23 PM

To be honest, we do have a disadvantage in terms of size and strength. However my friends and I, none of which are as tough as the locals, need to play smart. If u ate jostling with the ball most probably u will be pushed aside. So gotta play smart by playing through them, not against them. The easier way is to play simple passing game.

Height wise, I think a Malaysian defender of 185cm tall may be around. Other than that, I think it's better for us to play on the ground football. But another important thing: the local lad, or in fact the whole population, needs to adopt the gymming mentality generally speaking, the population is divided into either "Kurus" or "gemuk" gotta buff up if u need to compete, not Malik Noor buff la, but enough to at least challenge in strength.