This topic is to discuss the way education is use here in malaysia. Are we sending the kids to school for nursery care in todays school or for their sake of educating them to live with their survival skill and knowledge to finance themself one day.

The current system fails me and by the time i discover it , we are reaching 40 something. some wake up early due to bad parenting or lost of parents just like the movie slumdog millionaire. And because the love of the parents , we keep doing the same thing wanting the best for them but we didn't know that we are sending them to hamster wheel . even doctors , lawyers wake up early to work and can't settle with their financial burden like Robert Kiyosaki had said. The real lesson is life lesson which are not taught in school thus everyone is emotionless .

I found homeschool method is better but we don't have time because of work.
So , are we sending our children for the govt and private to take care so that we can get on with our lives maintaining the nation production and economy?

This post has been edited by hackwire: Nov 29 2010, 07:03 AM

The problem with home schooling esp in boley-land is that, it is not entirely legal. One thing for sure, if you would analyse the content of the sylybus, you will find that it is by mar more inferior than many countries (flame shield on!)

The public school system really is a system to be embarrassed about. Different kids have different ways of learning but public school system is a linear system where everyone will be forced to learn the same way as other kids in the country.

yeah u right. our school system never taught us to research or step back to see things with the third eye. i just read some of the Exam Questions for the primary and as usual one must tick A,B,C or D .

The way the answers in A,B,C and D is like surreal. It tricks u to circle the wrong answer from the right one by manipulating your mind ( eg. is it 4680 or 4068) . The examiner even use words to manipulate you away from circling the correct answer.

I even noticed that in the question there are the same answer but the examiner only allow to choose one answer. That's crazy stuff out there.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Nov 29 2010, 07:28 AM

Homeschool method requires more resources (time from parents, money since probably one parent will stay at home) and knowledge to do it properly. Based on the discipline thread, parents dont even know how to communicate to their kids and resort to threats and punishments - so on earth are they going to educate them for hours a day?

I think lets put it this way:

Govt School:
- U can really forget about it. The sylybus that the Govt now giving to our new generation are just too confusing...sometime this...sometime that (e.g: Science and Math at first teach in Bahasa...then change to English...and now back to Malay). Everything was spoon fed. No creativity to the kids. Even the teachers in Govt school dont even bother to put effort. Most of them...just like to take leave, or go to kursus.

Semi Govt/Private:
- This is a school that worth to look into it. Chinese medium school. Good result guaranteed by your kids (coz if result no good, u MIGHT get kick out by the school) BUT....be prepare to get a MILITARY style of teaching method. (e.g: whacking and slapping your kids by the teacher is NORM.) And each of every term, u need to do some sort of donation to the school.

Private School:
- Depend on which one u are joining in. Some are good but with a price to pay. Some are just so-so (it's all due to the teachers and curriculum)

International School:
- Good but depend on your child can enroll in or not. Always put priority to expatriates and the school fees are mad. The last time i check in Mont Kiara Int School...for Year 1 price is almost Rm 50k per annum all in.

Home Schooling:
- So far is the best to opt. Cheaper, more effective, get to learn more subject and flexible time. The only problem is, u have to find a home tutor is hard. Parent ownself teaching are strictly NO-NO for kids in Home Schooling coz parent are always intend to be more linear to own kids.

How can we truly say that homeschooling is better than the public schools? Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, that our educational system lacks in sooooo many aspects, flawed at soooooo many levels, but I think our educational system is one thing, the educational value the parents bring in, is the more important element than anything else in our children's learning process.

One problem that I see from homeschooling is the lack of social interaction between peers. In the US, we see support groups of homeschooling parents (yes, PARENTS, not hired tutors -- who are we here? Bill Gates ah? Can afford private tutors?) taking their homeschooled kids on field trips, study groups etc, so that the peer interaction is still a big part of the overall learning process.

I see homeschooling or at least, learning at home as a move that can supplement the current educational system. Not a replacement of the system altogether. But more importantly, the government needs to realize that they SHOULD NOT revamp the whole system everytime they change head! For the love of God, just stick to one system and IMPROVE THAT ONE SYSTEM LAH.

ps. yes, a thread to discuss homeschooling is now seriously debating the Malaysian education system. But in my defence, I see parents considering homeschooling as being tired or disappointed in the Malaysian educational system, so that is probably a valid angle to discuss as well. Oh well..

I'd take the middle route - send them to public schools during office hours and educate them through sports / arts / music / non academic stuff at home during weekends or at night

I am 100% agreed on that

we all are the victims to our national policies. And i will also agree to some of you that homeschool is not everybody reach. We all have to sacrifice for our child not only in term of Education.

There are other stuff that school can't teach like going Abroad to learn. The school should now change their system for children to reach specialization . For eg.. Why should a student learn chemistry, physics and Biology . What's the point of having 10 A'S in all the subjects and causing other talented students to fail.

I mean if a student want to be astronaut, is it relevant for him to learn chemistry ? A space station don't need a multi tasker u see. they prefer specialist in the field.
Does a financial expert requires any of the science subject to help him/her to get the job? Why Bill Gates a drop out and Stevejob quit college and still be a creative genius?

At this moment, whether it's chinese school or private school. they are all the same . The chinese school were not the previous one anymore as many of these chinese who sold the idea of chinese school were not a formal students from the old system but a BANANA from Sekolah Kebangsaan....And these guys don't even know a shit about the chinese philosophy system but they are running the show now.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Nov 29 2010, 04:00 PM

I have 2 home schooling students, they are 9 and 10 years old but they study IGCSE syllabus. The syllabus is advance than Malaysia form 1. If your kid is smart enough then you can consider for home schooling. Beside that, parent also need to put more effort on it. Bad thing is kid cannot enjoy normal school life like assembly, music, curriculum, PE etc those enrichment activity.

mind sharing whether did you apply through the jabatan pendidikan to get approval? i been thinking maybe sent my kid to school according to subject that interest him. those subject he is not interested such as history and chemistry, i will just ask permission from the school teacher to let him off to do other things.

I am their home tutor, I teach them math. These students attend at learning centre at Cheras, study time is 9.30am~4.30pm. My students pretty young to attend IGCSE exam, they just learn whatever then they only choose which subject they want to sit on exam. Currently they learn Geo, History, Bio, Math, French, English, Mandarin, Japanese. They will learn Chem and Physic later.

Do they actually allowed that?

I doubt so.

If yes, many students will drop the histroy and future generation won't know about the Malaysian histroy.

They learn UK and international history

Yes, AFAIK, the Alice Smith and Mont Kiara Int School are learn World/International History.

Can the govt promise the young their future?

they keep saying without education you are going to end up in the slum but even got education also see many gone to the slum. And those who claimed chinese school is good, just look around you and you still see many poor hawker centers around.

what is education anyway?

For the students, to get as much As in the UPSR, PMR and SPM.

yet many students prefer to go to college.

many students study hard to get A's to enter university but the seat is limited and in the end they have to pay to enter college . Curriculum system focus to enter university but many students end up in college learning something new again. in the college, they have to throw and reset everything again . Every thing they studied before whether its science or history were not use at all anymore. The dots simply not connected and this thing is repeating because of privatization.