groundshare, no. why? John Houlding.

remember when you formed, out of the greed and selfishness of Houlding? to capitalize on our success, to fill Houlding's own coffers? and he had the cheek to call you Everton Athletic, how shameful can that man stoop?

back to the present. honestly don't think a groundshare would work, not for us at least. if we did, you would revert to the selfishness that characterizes you Reds. I can envision you Reds demanding an unfair agreement using the clout of your borrowed funds, the 'prestige of the past'.

so no, a groundshare would only benefit LFC, it isn't mutual. not when one party isn't ready to concede that Merseyside is as much blue as it is red (sorry, Tranmere).

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This post has been edited by Krools: Dec 6 2010, 04:20 AM

I am surprised that no one wants to rebutt the evertonian

Come on old timers, if this isn't enough to get you guys posting again, nothing will!

Liv vs AV - Houllier returns!

ground share? no..

there's a couple of reason why most reds dont want ground share with everton.. but the obvious one is: PRIDE. some say why not because the milan's groundshare works well but in terms of attendance i think both milan has a pretty big attendance record on most games which i'm doubtful everton can do that on bigger stadium.

didn't henry winter said himself that they will try to look a way to expand anfield first before planning to do a new stadium. they've done that with fenway park am i rght?

again to be honest, my main reason for saying no is PRIDE

From my perspective, shared or not shared doesn't matter much.

The most important for club future is to have bigger capacity stadium.
Enough talk talk talk and no action. NATO for years, and not a single seat being added, which is detrimental for club future.
This has to be done soon.

see? that's the sort of myopic, patronizing responses you Reds are always on. standard attendance for Everton is 95+%, while standard attendance for LFC is 94+%. not quite a giant gap is there, considering Anfield only seats 5,000 more? and it's populated by sardine-eating norwegians & "soccer" watching Yanks?

a groundshare wouldn't be Juventus/Torino as many of you overseas Reds would envision. it's Inter/AC.

more numbers for you Reds to consider. check the attendance section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everton_F.C._records

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Liver...ics_and_records

you're not as 'big' as you think, yeah?

and also note the record low attendance when you were in the 2nd Division. which only goes to prove most Reds are fairweather. heh.

This post has been edited by katnl: Dec 6 2010, 07:05 PM

hello.. nobody talks about gerard... weird..

Sorry? Wikipedia? I can easily edit the data from 4xxxx to 1....So, how is that a reliable source?Now, tell me.

Now play nice Sols

+1

wow, its been long since anyone pwn an Evertonian here,haha.

it's generally an accurate source, given the consensus of those who edit. so go on, edit if you can. if you feel that badly about it.

a Red would always be a Red. just diverting the issue from the truth. and pwn? sure. if you say so. you Reds would say anything to convince yourselves.

it's fine, Moz. Red and Blue, you know what it'll always be like. up the toffees!

some more data for you, hope this one is reliable enough for you heh.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/history/records/attendances

and if you know your history...

This post has been edited by katnl: Dec 6 2010, 11:35 PM

Sorry then...My bad... I would never even think of using attendance of match as a point to argue that my club is bigger than urs.Brilliant point of arguement... Thumbs up.

we don't command such a large fan base as you from across the park. but we aren't far off, if you look at the figures correctly. my main point was never which is the bigger club, it is to retort on some callous remarks that should we groundshare, everton are incapable of drawing attendance to matches.

admit it. a fair lot of Reds are fairweather, it's just a trend for them. the premier league to them consists of 4 clubs only, that's how bad it is.

and that is indeed right, Mike. much as I hate to agree with a Red, Barca are the greatest club in the world.

This post has been edited by katnl: Dec 6 2010, 11:53 PM

Technically, I think you missed out a point. No, it's not solely on fan base when it comes to attendance.Are you trying to say the opponents your team facing have no fans? Probably, 75% attended were their fans and 25% were urs..Or the other way around...You never know.So, what makes it something to brag about and to show that ur club is "big" club because of the god damn attendance?

I m not sure about whether or not Everton capable of drawing attendance cause maybe at the end of the day, ppl attended the match because of the opponent Everton facing and not Everton itself...

Fair enough, no?

any team list yet?

Torres to partner who?

there's a specific breakdown by home & away attendance in soccernet. you might want to check that out, the data shown for attendance isn't misleading, instead you might have misinterpreted it methinks.

and no, the point isn't about how big a team is. it's about capability to fulfil a ground, which Everton has no problem doing unlike implied by a certain Red who like I said only thinks there's 4 clubs in England.

If anything, securing enough $$$ to actually build the stadium could be a problem for both teams. Liverpool aren't exactly rich, and I doubt Everton are that much sounder economically either. I would think that the preferred option for Liverpool would be to redevelop Anfield, while for Everton it would be that Tesco stadium/shopping complex thing? Both of which got rejected by the council?

I honestly think that if the local Liverpool council is so game to include development of the immediate area around the stadia, and so insistent on improving the local economy blah blah blah, they should get off their fat arses and be the ones building the shared stadium. Or at least part of it, and then lease it back to the teams.

Even for cup final?Cup final attendance, again, din show which sides have more attendance, no?