QUOTE(rushmode @ Dec 21 2010, 08:32 PM)
SAF forever in Sir Bob Paisley shadow. He done great things no doubt but he lacks the class. Even NESV offer free flow whiskey 24/7 to him will never comes to liverpool.. he hates us like he hates being sober.
i read alot of RB bashing. saying he won the CL because he inherit 'young' gerard and got lucky he inherit a 'strong' Houllier team. for fak sake, Houllier failed to perform in CL with his own 'strong' squad. maybe you lot still not around or forgot how liverpool perform in Europe before RB. mediocre at best.. although the UEFA cup win was a sweet one. then RB steps in and he led us to CL final TWICE in 3 years.. and destroy Europe strong teams for a couple more years. we were a dominant force in Europe again. Like Houllier, he should be respect for what he have done. FFS...
Exactly. rushmode hits the nail on the head.
I'm not one of the supporters who has the privilege of watching LFC during its golden years under Shanks and Paisley.
When i started watching football in early 90s, the power shift in English football has begin its transition( to the scums so to speak)
I've manage to witness some coaches like Souness, Evans, Houllier or even Phil Thompson in action but i can boldly say none of these coaches gave me the confidence that Rafa did. Houllier's LFC did peaked for a short period of time during the treble winning season, but his team doesnt really play possesion football and pressurizing opponents, but more inclined to defensive mode, nicking a goal, hoofing the ball to Heskey and defend resolutely after leading. Damn i can remember vividly that almost in every game, we had to rely on penalties to beat opponents or to equalize.
Anybody watched Barcelona vs Liverpool during the UEFA cup semifinal first leg in Nou Camp in 2001? For the love of Buddha, it that was the most boring game i have seen in my entire life so far.
The point I'm alluding to here is, I'm perplexed how people accused about how Rafa 'ruined' the club with his bad buys and his stance not to take huge risks, hence defensive at times. That is indeed load of tosh. None of the coaches i mentioned earlier came close to what Rafa had achieved in Liverpool, perhaps maybe an exception to Houllier for the treble winning season, but still Houllier's success pales in comparison to Rafa's record.
You lot might argue that Houllier won more trophies than Rafa, hence Houllier is better than Rafa. I beg to differ. Besides sticking to the old conventional & numerical wisdom that cups means success, I also measure success is not by how many cups we won, but how LFC plays with passion and style. Like rushmode points out, under Houllier, liverpool was mediocre in Europe, but under Rafa, we have made a great stride, consistently pressuring opponents with high tempo game and put them to the sword. Anfield was made a fortress again. There is a massive respect and fear towards Liverpool. We expected to win every game we played and when we don't we felt disappointed and heart broken. (If Woy got a draw game and he's happy , What a plank) 1 CL trophy in his first year, FA cup, another final two seasons later as a testimonial that is no fluke. Consistently beating bigger teams in Europe eventhough we were complacent in league at times. What more do you guys want?
But ask yourself, have Houllier, Woy & Evans created this impression for that matter? (unless you come and tell me you grew up with Shanks and Paisley, then i rest my case)
Like i said, for what Rafa had achieved, this man deserves some respect from the fans at least. He failed in his bid to win EPL with us, nevertheless i still rate him as one of the top coaches in modern football....
& perhaps the one of the very few manager who has the BALLS to issue an ULTIMATUM to the owners.
This post has been edited by carloz28: Dec 22 2010, 11:50 AM