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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION V67, Alex's 1447 or 1388.....

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andrewckj
post Dec 6 2010, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 5 2010, 08:18 PM)
i'm gonna give my view on this.

yok's got a point though, so do you. my generation 'kids' (as u guys call them blush.gif) a lot of them are thinking this way. going into forex, into warrants first before understanding the dynamics of the market. compare it with the older 30-40 y/o guys i meet at the Bursa market chats / AGMs, their approach is different.

i enjoy reading yok's morning coffee reports so.. notworthy.gif
would love to hear your view on the markets also notworthy.gif

anyway, .. we're all here to learn and contribute right! doesn't matter what view it is as long as its a view that makes $$ icon_rolleyes.gif and i learned a lot thanks to the seniors here. notworthy.gif
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Well, that's human. It's always the 80 20 rules. 80 % of the world wealth are control by the 20% people in the world. Same as it goes for investment. Many humans tend to rush things which they did not realize because 80% of the people are the doing the same. For instance in investment, most of it will look for short term, hoping to make quick bucks within days where they thought they will reap the fruits the moment they start investing. That's a wrong mindset because when we talk about investment, it's about a journey to learn how to grow your money better.

Oh well, humans, just look at the youngsters nowdays with a salary ranging from RM 2 - RM 3.k. Love to drive fanciful cars, eat luxury food, indulging into starbucks coffee and go for premium night spots. They have got no financial planning, no intention to save up money initially. Don't talk about saving some portion of the salary, how many could actually spend within their salary. You can already call themselves good without overspending their salary but sadly, most of it or again 80% wont be able to do it. They resort to their credit cards especially when then running low on cash but still want to carry on such luxurious lifestyle. Debt is piling up upon debt due to minimum payment with interest compounding everyday but they just won't change their lifestyle. Now you have a rough ideas why banks are doing so good in their business? They earn the most from the credit card late payments and thats why banks encourage spending with credit cards

Why all this is happening? Reasons? Simply because they find the the "comfort in numbers" because majority (80%) is doing it, so it alright to follow suit. Why a fresh graduate complaining RM 1,600 is not enough to survive in a city when the fresh graduate can choose to fine tune his lifestyle. Who's on earth says that when you get a first job you must buy a car as your transportation mode. Can't you just ride a motorcycle. And if you don't have the budget, don't spend so lavishly especially on your meals or perhaps considering eating just bread to get your initial money to invest. But can everyone do it? Again, it's the 80% 20% rules.

Many people got confused with the meaning of "wish" and "want". If you wish for something you might not get it or wont get it, but if you really want something, you will definitely work it out. What majority doing the most isn't always right. As the saying goes, "two roads diverged in the middle, and I take the road less traveled by and it made all the difference. Even Warren Buffet quoted "When most of the people are excited in the market, you should exercise cautious and when most of the people are afraid in the market, that's the time you should be excited.

So which category you wan to belong to? The 80% or 20%? I'm sure you guys know which category does Warren Buffet belongs to biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by andrewckj: Dec 6 2010, 01:11 AM
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post Dec 6 2010, 01:48 AM

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heheh... u can't teach old dogs new tricks. tats y, when young, better sai lang, so later can become old wise dog. otherwise when new dog ask question, we can't say. 'been there, done that' laugh.gif
if u r trader, take the 20% profit and leave remainder to ride. if u r investor, just close eyes & don't bother anymore
anyway, with the ge coming, they need funds, so careful, coz when klse is quiet, its damn bloody quiet
if market gostan, at least u had took out some money for enjoyment

popcorn513, nothing to say sorry about. we hav no arguments. wat is reversal indicator method? for newbie, split ur funds for good times & bad times. also split further into long term & short term holdings. well, wat r the share u looking at tat make u bakar? did u simple check on its fa & vol?

jtic, holding power for share with good fa is good. u can ask those who invested in citibank or apple. who earn more while taking opportunity at the same time in the crash? well, u can put in the same context for bolehland

yok70, no need worry korea war that involved china, japan and US, coz we're in an interconnected world! for hot money. u need to read up about definition of interest rate in wikileaks. we all know abt the sub prime crisis. as a case study, who can pay int rate for their loan at tat time when fed keeps on increasing int rate? its like setting the house on fire, then putting out fire jus bcos want to cool down the economy/inflation rolleyes.gif
since earning fd int so low, y bother keep in usa bank. sent it out to work smart in wherever got opportunity or high int rate. once fed increase int rate, time to bring it back to the good ole usa, pay the loan & enjoy the profit cool2.gif can u see any clue on hot money from attachment

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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 5 2010, 08:52 PM)
wah what can i say, you already took the words outta my mouth. shocking.gif
i must say you described my journey so far pretty much notworthy.gif

anyway, my observations about the older guys approach (those at the bursa market chats) is that most are quite new to the market. Current holdings incl Unit Trusts, Gold, traditional heavyweights (like Btoto, Public Bank, Genting and maybe some recent hot stocks etc), Forex (mostly Aus), and foreign-FDs for their kids. they were looking for ways / hot tips to improve their capital gains. most of the guys i've talked to (including my dad, but i taught him a bit of TA tongue.gif) say that TA is a new thing to them. in fact the odd thing is that most of them have their capital invested elsewhere, in Hang Seng (incl. A-shares), Singapore, US, Aus. Most haven't even heard of REITs or what their structure is like.

but thats just my observation from talking to people at these events, they might be an exceptional case i don't really know. laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2010, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Dec 6 2010, 01:48 AM)
yok70, no need worry korea war that involved china, japan and US, coz we're in an interconnected world! for hot money. u need to read up about definition of interest rate in wikileaks. we all know abt the sub prime crisis. as a case study, who can pay int rate for their loan at tat time when fed keeps on increasing int rate? its like setting the house on fire, then putting out fire jus bcos want to cool down the economy/inflation  rolleyes.gif
since earning fd int so low, y bother keep in usa bank. sent it out to work smart in wherever got opportunity or high int rate. once fed increase int rate, time to bring it back to the good ole usa, pay the loan & enjoy the profit  cool2.gif can u see any clue on hot money from attachment
Thanks for the comments. notworthy.gif
From your attachments, what I see was when interest rate gets lower, it triggers market index goes lower as volume is losing too. And Investment Advisers earlier bullish call was fake while the market continues to get bearish, and these advisers turn their call into bearish at last. Quite scary to see this! sweat.gif

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post Dec 6 2010, 02:44 AM

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yes u got the investment advisers interpretation correct nod.gif & most of them r buffet followers for investment
so how then do we apply, Warren Buffet quote, "When most of the people are excited in the market, you should exercise cautious and when most of the people are afraid in the market, that's the time you should be excited". in other words. what is your opinion of the market now? those fully used ta for derivaties & futures trading can give their opinion or anyone in lyn? laugh.gif

as a general guideline, when int rate up, markets down & vice versa. but the effect is not immediate, its gradual when the signs r there, its the timing that makes it fun to be a gambler drool.gif
ok time to hand this thread back to the klse experts flex.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Dec 6 2010, 02:24 AM)
Thanks for the comments.  notworthy.gif
From your attachments, what I see was when interest rate gets lower, it triggers market index goes lower as volume is losing too. And Investment Advisers earlier bullish call was fake while the market continues to get bearish, and these advisers turn their call into bearish at last. Quite scary to see this!  sweat.gif
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Good Review on IJM in EDGE weekly rclxms.gif

Getting the East Coast Highway Project.

Huat ah... flex.gif

LEt bull IJMLAND rclxm9.gif
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post Dec 6 2010, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Dec 6 2010, 01:10 AM)
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So which category you wan to belong to? The 80% or 20%? I'm sure you guys know which category does Warren Buffet belongs to biggrin.gif
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noted nod.gif and fully agree with your observations smile.gif

QUOTE(sulifeisgreat @ Dec 6 2010, 01:48 AM)
heheh... u can't teach old dogs new tricks. tats y, when young, better sai lang, so later can become old wise dog. otherwise when new dog ask question, we can't say. 'been there, done that'  laugh.gif
if u r trader, take the 20% profit and leave remainder to ride. if u r investor, just close eyes & don't bother anymore
anyway, with the ge coming, they need funds, so careful, coz when klse is quiet, its damn bloody quiet 
if market gostan, at least u had took out some money for enjoyment
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ge coming need funds? i thought when GE comes it'll run up. not sure about the GE effects.. unsure.gif
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sulifeisgreat - It is very refreshing and healthy to read your post. Thanks Nice to know LYN have people like you. laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:01 AM

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What happen to the Genting? How come the volume so low?
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:05 AM

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haha!

KSL - up 0.09 (5.521%) , the power of Dali brows.gif
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GAB RM 10 this month? wub.gif
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QUOTE(teehk_tee @ Dec 6 2010, 09:05 AM)
haha!

KSL - up 0.09 (5.521%) , the power of Dali brows.gif
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i observe this counter for 1 month liao arghhh...
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(Myoswee @ Dec 6 2010, 09:05 AM)
GAB RM 10 this month?  wub.gif
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wah MUFJ buying. it's gonna be another PANAMY again tongue.gif
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I thought Kencana today suppose to be heading south...?
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QUOTE(Jtic @ Dec 6 2010, 09:06 AM)
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i observe this counter for 1 month liao arghhh...
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If you dare, it is not too late to enter now, further upside til 2.50, as covered by Dali.

By the way, anyone know who is Dali, so powerful eh....
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QUOTE(Larrylow @ Dec 6 2010, 09:14 AM)
If you dare, it is not too late to enter now, further upside til 2.50, as covered by Dali.

By the way, anyone know who is Dali, so powerful eh....
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a famous blogger who always posts sexy chicks pics rclxms.gif
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post Dec 6 2010, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Jtic @ Dec 6 2010, 09:06 AM)
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i observe this counter for 1 month liao arghhh...
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gotta make decision soon .. friday was at 1.57 now 1.74 liao.. blush.gif
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QUOTE(Larrylow @ Dec 6 2010, 09:14 AM)
If you dare, it is not too late to enter now, further upside til 2.50, as covered by Dali.

By the way, anyone know who is Dali, so powerful eh....
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i would like to know his job... and his face laugh.gif
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1 question, tomorrow market open ke? hmm.gif

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