Hi there...

I think we all have some questions about these softwares... let's put'em here. Modd, come here help us

1st of all: where do you get a correct "rock" bass sound ? which sample is it ?

Can post your drum n bass tracks here too, to show us a problem or a good track !

hmm..
something which was done by myself...
bass was recorded with a mic in front of amp..
haha but drums are done with Sony's Acid pro 5

have some drum samples but their not that good

This post has been edited by MoNnY: Jun 8 2005, 05:39 PM


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if u guys want i can send some drum samples over...
but its like 2.4mb...
and i dun use yousendit...

hey monny that song is catchy!!! i say we do a collaboration... i put in the guitars, we add more beats/riff... what say you?

p/s: i'll do a bit of writeup on fruityloops tomorrow yea

This post has been edited by modD: Jun 9 2005, 01:18 AM

sure sure...
record ur guitar, then place it over my riff..
hahah
send it back to me
but i'm bad at composing materials...
i done this with some help from a friend...
sitting down with our gutiars, got bored.. came with this..
after that cannot do again.. come and go stuff
hahaha

This post has been edited by MoNnY: Jun 9 2005, 01:37 AM

your track is pretty good, monny ! the drums are intesively programmed and totally rocks, but it's still a bit "rigid", in the sense that it's too perfect... weird he...

question 2 : is there anything to humanize the drums ? create some microscopic delays automatically rather than going thru the painful "piano score" ?

realistic rock drums:
look in the folder 'RealDrumkit'. i think that's the name...

realistic rock bass:
generators>FLSlayer>eBass

i don't remember exactly the names of the folders... thesexpistols, bleh cut n paste what i've written in the PM or not? thx...



to humanize drums:

1. you can fluctuate the volume of each hit, so that it sounds like the drummer's hand is a bit unstable. especially good to apply on hi-hats.

2. fluctuate the shift, make some of the hits out-of-time

3. or you can use the built-in 'humanize' preset, which i've never used, and don't know how to.

This post has been edited by modD: Jun 9 2005, 10:57 AM

yea that could work...
but after a while of listening to it, u can tell its electronic...
acid pro is not a piano score...
more like boxes...
just select teh samples from the lower portion, it will be added to the list of samples....
then just draw how long the duration of that beat..
so if its a double bass beat, u gotta draw that...
haha..
i'll post the screen shot later.. now it won't let me upload it

This post has been edited by MoNnY: Jun 9 2005, 11:46 AM

guys, i think i hv found one of the best drum modules...

its really real...its an acoustic drum module...i stumbled upon it at suprnova last year. its called BFD. www.fxpansion.com. i dled its 2 dvds...huge. but i tell u...the drum sounds so real...u can humanize the velocity and timing too. very tweakable.

u can here one of my songs there using that drums...

thx.

got torrent link or not? tak jumpa la...

i google out for you since im also Fruitloop user since year 2000

http://www.synthzone.com/drums.htm

This post has been edited by RiCHBoyZ: Jun 10 2005, 02:30 PM

ya torrents for that are real scarce. but i hv the torrents for BFD XFL. the crazy 20 gig monster. its kinda old..see if u guys want it..

ooohh after you guys started mentioning about fruity loops and all this drum machine stuff, i've created one simple and super short track.

The drum parts are done using fruity loops shareware version 1.2. I think it's an old version of fruity loops.

here it is

This post has been edited by pokute: Jun 9 2005, 06:47 PM

pokute, good ! i dunno how you guys manage to do such groovy drums ! how did you work on it ? do you do a basic drum track first, then guitars + bass then you re-edit the drums, or how ?

for me, i do the drum + bass track for the whole song, which could involve 30 - 40 patterns. then i export is as a wave file into a mixing software like Adobe Audition. then i record the guitars.

it's better if you export seperate tracks for drum and bass, so that you could adjust the sound properties independently in the mixing software.

as for creating the grooves for drums, i'd say you have to have basic knowledge of drum beats. if you know how to play drums, it'll be a lot natural to arrange the individual components of the drum kit.

if you don't, you can use ready-made drum samples and use a software like Acid Pro.

yeah, i did it like that. But i dont re-edit the drums though, only re-edit the drum volume to suit my taste.

Mmmm one question though, what type/version of fruity loops are using modD?

fruityloops producer 4.++ i think. can't remember the exact version.

anyways, i think those who use the same versions (with identical instrument/fx packs) can share their fruityloops project files. and we can learn how to create beats/songs together. beats explaining through words.

fl studio 5 is out btw...anyways any reason user here?

I am quite new,
this tool is powerfull and easy ...
actually you can create guitar simulation without real guitar



here some example Iam still practicing using some effect and piano roll

This post has been edited by AnimeSan: Jun 14 2005, 02:59 AM


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and here
using faked guitar (slayer), no guitar recorded here, all FL notes

(sori for bad minor heavymetal note ... inspired by some FL presets hehehe)


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Animesan, you said that you're new to this... but you've already got the grooves man! i'm sure you'll master it in no time!

animesan > your slayer thing is a total blast ! did you "program" the guitar solo or is it a real recording ? it sounds great !!
the rythm guitar sound is so "pumping", it doesn't sound super-realistic, but who cares, it makes it so groovy ! woaw.. i'm never gonna be able to do that

thx for your kind comments here ^^
Im not really new in track or note editing prog (music 2000/3000 in playstation is good but quite painfull)

the solos also faked, its all done by slayer and note ...

the most important thing is the damp function
to make variation and deep powerchord like that you just need to adjust
the damp function (in the slayer)
right klick - edit events - choose pencil to draw the graph instead of brush - dont forget to set the snap into 1/4 beat - then draw the graph according to your note and timeline - higher graph is more damp that create solid powerchord (like metallica does)

my solo notes, - set slayer mode to solo dynamic, - to make slayer to be able to use bending/vibrato technique increase the speed knob (aside mode) - add some damp (edit events if you have a time)

animesan... are you using fruity loops ? what is the Slayer ? (i'm noob in there, sorry...)

should be in plugins>generators (i think)

it is also the best module to produce realistic Bass

oh, ok... thx !

modD, i just got the *ahem*version of fruity loops studio installed in my pc, and im totally lost. if you dont mind, could you give me a tutorial of how to setup a basic drum and bass track and guitar track on this thing?

ssslayer, what version are you using? if it's nearly the same as mine, i can upload a basic flp file n it'll be easier for me to explain. coz i really suck at giving off-hand instruction.

im using fl studio 5 producer edition

dang... i'm using version 4.5.2.

let's try anyway...

you start by opening the Step Sequencer (F6), and load patches from the browser on the left. The patches you can use are located in the folder named Packs. for the sample i uploaded, i already preloaded the basic drumkits and bass patches.

under the big timer on top, there are 2 buttons, pattern and song. you create the patterns in the Step Sequencer (F6). after that you arrange them in a sequence using the Playlist (F5).

in the Step Sequencer, you'll notice 2 buttons, Graph and Keyboard. graph is to alter volume/panning and Keyboard is to change the notes of the patch sequence.

in my sample you can see how i arranged the drums and bass, and on the 3rd pattern i demonstrated how to create rolling snares and tom-toms using the Graph editor (volume & panning).

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3F714K2...P922F2X75IHQOCX

Ok thanks, will try it tonight

tried it last night, damn, i still dont get a lot of things,nvm. I will go through the help file first

Ok, i downloaded the *ahem* version of cubase sx and am trying it now. Not being a software whore but the documentation is much better and easier to understand than frooty loops

Ok, this is my first attempt at something like this. doing this, i have a few questions to you guys. this is somethign from one of john carpenters movies where the guy what happened to all the ppl in the town (all got decapitated). Somehow, this song always stuck in my head.

1. why the fjook do the drums sound so weak? I tried setting their volume to full, and really lowered the volumes of the otehr audio tracks, but it still sounds ....wimpy. what am i doing wrong?

2. The drums again, sound really synthetic and too perfect, any way to correct this?
3. Any good VST drumset?

Pamgrierdies in this part

dei, one of you fjookers please listen to this and tell me how you would make it sound better, not the composition, it not mine, but the sound

no time now... next week but i can't offer advice though...

wait ah boss... i'll listen to it tonight

wokkeh... worrait boss...

I can't seem to download the file leh...

i also can't dload lah!

ok, ive reuploaded. Also, please feel free to solo over it if you want

Track

Err... I'm no expert in this, but :
1. It's MIDI drums right?? I dunno how it works but I suppose that's how it should be. Try recording the drums into audio and *maybe add a little overdrive to add warmth and increase its volume. Ample amount of reverb should help too.
2. Try varying the intensity of each hit (You using the MIDI map of Cubase right?) and *maybe recreate the ghost notes of the snare. Perhaps a soft & short delay would help?
3. The only VST drumset I've used it the one came with Computer Music magazine (they offered a few more studio-quality VST too ), which is pretty good. They have one acoustic drum set and the rest are pretty much techno/electronica-ish. If you remember my track Oriental Break, the drums are coming directly from the VST.
*Don't have the CD with me now, it's with my friend, whom I've lost contact with.

Other than that, I fjooking dig the panning you did in the beginning. The riff's ace even though it's a cover/whatever.

Ok, thanks for the feedback. I have a few questions.

1. It's MIDI drums right?? I dunno how it works but I suppose that's how it should be. Try recording the drums into audio and *maybe add a little overdrive to add warmth and increase its volume. Ample amount of reverb should help too.

OK, in understand this, but using midi drums, i tried applying effects available to the audio channels to it, but it seems to have different effects for midi altogether. Other than the way you mentioned, isnt there any other way to apply the effects directly to the midi track?

2. Try varying the intensity of each hit (You using the MIDI map of Cubase right?) and *maybe recreate the ghost notes of the snare. Perhaps a soft & short delay would help?

Ok, but this would mean that i would have to create the drums on different tracks, to isolate the snare so that I can export that as audio and add delay just to that. Is that correct? also, other than ghost notes, is there anything else that can be done?

3. The only VST drumset I've used it the one came with Computer Music magazine (they offered a few more studio-quality VST too ), which is pretty good. They have one acoustic drum set and the rest are pretty much techno/electronica-ish. If you remember my track Oriental Break, the drums are coming directly from the VST.

if you still have it in your computer, maybe you could just upload the dll file for me. Anyway, how would you rate the drum set i used for the track? its called lm-7, and is the only one available wiht the cubase installation

Thats john carpenter's genius. can you believe this guy, he writes, directs, produces his movies and composes their soundtrack. This track was from his movie, ghosts of mars. its very typical of him, simple repetative beat orientated groove but very catchy

1. Without a plug-in, I'm afraid not. Maybe some VSTi offers such function, but I'm not really sure as I have not used them.

2. Actually you don't really have to go through that much trouble lar. I've read this article Star whichs says that you could humanize ur drum tracks by adding some percussions (eg. bongos, conga & preferbly mic'ed up). Reverb is also very important & try not to make the drums stand up too much in the mix (esp the cymbals). I think if you put layers of audio track on top of it, you should be a ble to hide it.

3. The lm-7 is pretty poor imho, but it's good enough for backing tracks or electronica-type of drum beats... I think. Usually I'ill just use my soundcard's MIDI synth, doesn't make a huge difference tho.
I don't have the VST in my computer anymore, I'm trying to get it back but I've lost contact with my friend who borrowed it & Computer Music isn't popular enough to be on our bookstores .

Anyway once you've remix your track, post em up.

Really? Well this is the first time I've heard of his name I'ill check out some of his stuff. Sounds damn good.

ok, I figured out how to use the soundfont capability of my card, and downloaded some pretty good sounding drum sets, but they are huge (one is 60 megs +)

hey guys, here's the .flp file for my Fearful Solution project. depending on your Fruityloops version, you might/might not be able to play it properly.

linky

This post has been edited by modD: Jul 11 2005, 07:04 PM

hello guys, im also FL user, for real drum i use DFH Samples or Battery2 Samples, tu use the samples u need a vsti plugin like Battery,Kontakt,etc..i've uploaded Battery2 samples before in yousendit.com but its expired now, but if anyone of you need it i can re-upload it back, the file is around 60mb and work in Battery2 vsti..for bass, i use BooBass in FL n eq it a little bit..
also, i want to share with all of u my stuff , here is my link, www.i-bands.net/syns .. all of is programmed using Fruityloops.. thx

man... you guys are definately not speaking in english here...

huzai,
i really think that you're talented . if possible i really like to learn from you hands-on.

share la, after that i'll upload on my server and no need yousendit anymore.

anyway i've never worked with this vsti thingy before... worth a try! hopefully can get better metal drums sound compared to what i'm using now...

thank you xnobys, just ask me what u want to know, i'll try my best to teach it..

orait dude, i'll inform u after i upload it, btw, if u want a metal drum sound, u should have Drumkit From Hell , Drumkit From Hell 2, Drumkit From Hell Superior or Imperial BFD.
if u are members in audionews.ru, u can download it there using torrent..

can't register in audionews.ru la, it says i need to be invited by a current member. u a member? i searched in google for drumkit from hell torrents and all i get are dead torrents

i am member in there but to invite user, i must upload 10gb > .. where can i upload torrent without register ?

dunno lah... seems that every torrent site requires you to register first.
i checked out the infos for DFH Superior... bloody hell it's 35 GB!!! hopefully some shop in LY sells it.

for now, i just downloaded NsKit 7 free edition (70Mb) and hope it's good enough.

how about BFD Fxpansion? is it good?

hehe, DFH Superior Contains 9 dvd.. and require 40gb for samples.. hehe.. BFD just like DFH..

guys. i've uploaded acoustic drumkit.. but to use it u need Native Instrument Battery.

Here is the link :
http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1ADM8Z5...3W2UMRKWB5UVTI1

This post has been edited by huzai: Jul 19 2005, 11:54 AM

downloading...

modD, i think u better upload it to ur server..

yup will do soon!

modD, this is a lot to ask, but could you give us morons a step by step tutorial of how you created that rock.flp thingy that you uploaded a while ago?

i second that! maybe huzai also can help... right from step one on how to crack the *ahem* version of fl.

i've been meaning to do a proper tutorial for quite some time, but now i'm really swamped with a lot of things. another 1 1/2 month perhaps?

btw it'd be nice if huzai could give a tutorial 1st, his arrangement is much nicer i think

but if you see me online on msn/YM just give me a shoutout and i'll see what i can do

msn: bunuh(at)hotmail.com
YM: modar6

actually im also dont know how to make a tutorial..but if u want to ask me directly just add me in YM, huzye@yahoo.com , i'll try my best to help u guys..

I'm currently using Guitar Pro 4 to create MIDI drum tracks. Tried using FL but to me it sounds a bit digital and not very human. I prefer the drum sounds from GP4 but that too isn't very satisfactory. Would the FXpansion BFD have real drum sounds in em? And can i just import my MIDI files from GP4 into it? It would be quite a hassle to reprogram it.

if u dont want digital sound, u have to adjust the velocity of of the drum.. but FL default drum samples not suitable for 'real'.

yes,,FXpansion BFD have real drum sounds..for snare, it have around 30 samples.. soft,softer,hard,harder,roll,flam,etc..
u must reprogram it because it come with it own Vsti and the drum map is different from u are using now..

Owhh ic. So there's no way I can just import my MIDI tracks into the BFD?

modD try and make a short and simple to understand
Fruity Loops for dummies tutorial

yes

Hmm. I just installed BFD and it says that i require ASIO drivers for it to work. MY scard is just a built in Realtek AC97. Is there any way to work it out?

ok u need Asio4All .. i cant remember where i download it, but just google it..

Ok, dloading it as we speak. Hmm, sumthing's awfully wrong. When i load the VST of BFD in FLstudio, it couldn't find the file/folder path of the BFD.

i dont use BFD but try to set the path.. in the vst ..

Hmm, tried setting it manually but doesn't work too. When I open the BFD program, and select the kits, nothing comes out. Probably need to dload the kits?

lol, u only download the vst? the program wont run with other samples.. u need to download BFD samples.. i think it have 5 DVD ..

OMG. That's a lot of GBs. Anyways, huzai, u an expert in using Cakewalk Sonar? I'm having a problem with the MIDI output. I've posted the question in the thread titled 'Recording'.

im not using cakewalk sonar, sorry..

hi all,

just got fruity loop 5.02 demo yesterday, was trying out it.. but i cannot do input ..

i plug my guitar into my creative sound card "Mic" input, when test, my computer speaker got sound.. but when open FLoop, it seems that no input for FLoop, i try to open the guitar effects inside Floop by on the "Input" bar, it was not moving .. anyone can help ? thanks !

hi there, are u try to record in FL? FL dont have it .. u need another recording software like Nuendo, Audition, Cubase, etc..

u mean FL cannot record guitar line-in input ?

yeap.. its a sequencer..

i'm playing around with Garageband2 software (for Apple only), and it's really good ! It does a lot in a simple way...

Apple, I'm loving it !!

Hopefully I'll record a short track soon....

Hey guys..sorry brought this old thread back up,
New Fruity Loops user here too..
I wanna ask
Why are they *The channels* Are in red?
And I can't seem to get any sound out of them.

Do you use DXi or Microsoft GS in your MIDI output channel?

hello people

i've started a simple tutorial page for Fruityloops. it's very very simple and basic, and hopefully i have enough time to add in more tutorials that deal with advanced features.

http://www.azahan.com/music/index.html

and while you're at it, click on the google ads and sponsor me a new guitar

come submit tutorials too...

i think the samples do not exist. did you open the flp file in a new version?

SONAR MIDI problem? May I know what is the problem or you can come to our showroom @ Lot 4.32, we have full audio recording system with SONAR ( if you are local).. . for better result, please prepare some Q and the problem so we can show you how to do in the Sonar...

don't worry... this is FOC.... FREE

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FL have 3 version:

1) FL Studio Express
2) FruityLoops edition
3) Producer edition

The main different between Producer edition and FruityLoops edition is:

FruityLoops edition don't have audiotrack (multitrack audio),So you can't record audio in FL.

The Producer edition can create full song (midi + audio) at this edition.

Anyway depend on the what you need, if you using FL Studio with Nuendo / Cubase, actually you don't need Producer Edition, FruityLoops edition is enough.

This post has been edited by denhock: Dec 10 2005, 06:08 PM

FL Studio 6 is here.... want to try????

huzai is my fren's band komposer, together wif apai,nyon, and meor..hear their song at i-band, so f**king good..

wehh, buat tutorial la wehhh huzaiii...

weih, shiinkuro31, siapakah anda? budak uia ka?

how much

This post has been edited by LongAndBoringSem: Mar 7 2006, 02:41 PM

i tot p2p,torrents discussion restricted in here..

That is what the report button is for dude

denhock sells originals la.