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WSL999
post Aug 9 2011, 09:39 AM

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Good morning ladies & gentlemen,

After thorough findings and survey still find that DELL offer reasonable yet promising performance for their Professional series and Ultra Sharp models.

Anyone here with insights experience to help me pick between P2411H (5ms) Black to White RM609 & U2412M (8ms gray to gray) 300cd/brightness RM899.

Sorry to have bothered anybody here to read and help.

This monitor is for my company however the user require higher end specs.

Thanks

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post Aug 9 2011, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 9 2011, 09:46 AM)
State your preferred budget and usage.
You want it cheap? Or you can afford RM899?
What do you want from the monitor? Professional graphics works? Movie and games? Or just documents and web surfing?
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Sorry I forgot about the budgeting. It's any price does not exceed RM950.00

Graphic works & medium graphic pc games & documents and web surfing of course.
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post Aug 9 2011, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 9 2011, 10:07 AM)
Well for graphical works I would recommend you wait for better U2412M review, and see if the LED + IPS can beat U2311H in wide color range, and of course, viewing angle, etc.
If you can't wait, I would recommend U2311H for its already proven.
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Fair enough.

Ok then I will have to wait since time does not permit. Where do I follow up with the review of U2412M and others?

Samsung SA series is almost perfect however a hefty price to pay.
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post Aug 9 2011, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 9 2011, 10:34 AM)
Wait for someone to post review links if any, or do a search (google, bing, whatever) on the web on any slight details, since it just release not too long ago, it'll take sometimes for the review to come out, 3~4 weeks at least. wink.gif
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Ok! Thanks so much! By the time most likely the price will drop smile.gif
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post Aug 9 2011, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Aug 9 2011, 01:52 PM)
Edited! Was typing while eating nasi kandar just now lol.

Btw, i personally would choose U2412M than U2311H. Greater and more features with a nice price tag, lower than RM1k yo!
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Haha you trying to confuse people. H & E IPS.

Does the milliseconds play a roll in the ghosting and other factor? U2412M is 8ms. Relatively high.


I called DELL and request for a quote, verbally can give me RM855 from RM899 subject to approval.

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post Aug 9 2011, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Aug 9 2011, 02:31 PM)
Well done bro, RM855 is another lowest point ive seen so far.

As for response time, u might wanna refer to this:

Response time is a tricky thing to measure, because marketing usually doesn't tell you everything you need to know.

At 8ms you're going to get about the same performance as an LCD TV. Generally, this is good: unless you're superman you're not going to see any ghosting, and tearing usually won't happen (and if it does you can also limit the games frame rate).

Here's what you can expect from various LCD response times:

12 ms or more - You're going to see a lot of ghosting with high speed images. The higher the response rate the more ghosting you're going to notice.
8ms - ghosting is virtually eliminated, although you may experience ghosting on lower end model LCDs.
5ms - ghosting is eliminated.
2ms - this is actually a marketing trick for 5ms LCD screens, although performance will generally be better than screens advertised as 5ms.
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Thanks for the information above. Really nice and thoughtful of you bro.

As for the U2412M Ultra Sharp series is generally better and clearer than the typical 24'' in market right? Ultra Sharp is market as premium tacts right?

Gosh, hope I'm not asking too many silly questions
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post Aug 9 2011, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 9 2011, 02:48 PM)
Ehh? I didn't know can actually do that sad.gif. Already paid RM899 for mine sigh...
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We are customer also known as end-user. We deserve the right to push and demand for further discount from the price stated in the website. Normally I'll say 'we're looking into long term business and repeat sale' this term normally work for most of the time. But have to twist and turn faster when meet with 'old snake' 'Lau She' smile.gif

I got most of the items for my company at very good price. I will squeeze every drop of 'juice' out from the orange. Then round up the figure to 'GG' them. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 9 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(owikh84 @ Aug 9 2011, 03:10 PM)
Yes Ultrasharp which is using IPS panel is generally better than those TN panels used by non ultrasharp models.

IPS generates FAR more accurate colours and displaying FAR more colours. A good IPS is capable of displaying over a billion of colours as compared to TN which is about 256k or so. moreover IPS has wider viewing angle that u could retain 100% consistent colour/brightness at any angle. Thats why price is a lil bit more expensive
Ahh ure too fast! Nvm lah next time u should know what to do already, ask for discount or nego.
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You have good knowledge at this stuffs. Which means U2412M model is consider higher end right? Cos the dynamic contrast is 2,000,000:1.
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post Aug 9 2011, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 9 2011, 03:27 PM)
Oh well, lesson learnt. Next time try to nego with Dell before buying tongue.gif. Btw, that means calling them up? Any number as reference so I can use it in future? Or maybe when I purchase second unit tongue.gif
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post Aug 10 2011, 10:18 AM

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Yes, I'm glad DELL U2412M has IPS technology:)


Added on August 10, 2011, 10:23 am
QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 10 2011, 07:32 AM)
Dell e-IPS is 6-bit + FRC = not-so-true 8-bit, so the color is slightly better but not as good as those true 8-bit H-IPS.
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H-IPS for DELL is very expensive. A whopping RM1699 for U2410 model compared to the U2412M only RM899 smile.gif


Added on August 10, 2011, 10:32 am
QUOTE(WSL999 @ Aug 10 2011, 10:18 AM)
Yes, I'm glad DELL U2412M has IPS technology:)


Added on August 10, 2011, 10:23 am
H-IPS for DELL is very expensive. A whopping RM1699 for U2410 model compared to the U2412M only RM899 smile.gif
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DELL U2410 is so tempting with it's high-end specs and design. However there is a hefty price to pay.

This song came in my mind. 'I want to be a millionaire so freaking badd...' icon_idea.gif

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post Aug 10 2011, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Aug 10 2011, 11:54 AM)
My Sony LCD TV is a 10bit panel. No idea if it is an IPS though but does it mean it has better colour reproduction than 8bit panels?
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Ermm to answer your question. I think the more you pay for something the more you will get.
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post Aug 10 2011, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Aug 10 2011, 12:01 PM)
hey guys,

i asked at the hardware Q&A but no answer so i guess asking here wud be better..

any1 noe what i shud look at if i wanna buy 3d monitor?

i wanna buy the new samsung 23" 3d monitor but seems like some people disagree with it..dono why x_X
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You are welcome to survey and look into Samsung latest 3D c/w LED monitor call SA Series. The design is flawless and specification is great. However expensive.

www.samsung.com.my

Good luck in your search:)
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post Aug 10 2011, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Aug 10 2011, 12:10 PM)
i already check the samsung

i love it a lot but then i heard ppl say itz not worth it..but im not sure with the reason..i tink it has sumthing to do with the nvidia thing

btw, whats the price and i can find it at any samsung store right?
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Ok you have to see the actual monitor yourself. Don't get carried away by other comments as it's not accurate. Since Samsung store have complete range of models. You can see the difference with your own eyes then make decision.

For the 27" easily above RM1,500 if not mistaken.

Sunway Pyramid or Low Yat also got

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post Aug 10 2011, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 10 2011, 06:51 PM)
Just opened up my U2412M! biggrin.gif, love it. My 21.5 inch 2233SW looks like dwarf beside it. Hmm will try to post some comparison pics later on.
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LoL we can feel your excitement. Pictures must be detailed ok. Because my unit is own the way.. 5 5 lar..people can't wait lor.. sweat.gif
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post Aug 11 2011, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 10 2011, 11:52 PM)
Crap, was calibrating both my monitors with the Color Eyes Display Pro with Spyder3Express sensor... can't seem to match both monitors sad.gif.

Is this normal? :S.
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Be patient bro. It's a Ultra Sharp monitor. Take it easy.
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post Aug 11 2011, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 11 2011, 08:50 AM)
I saw the review on this Sypder 3 Express and it was not meant for more than 1 monitor calibration so I don't think it works in your condition.
Sorry to say that paying more = more options and multi-monitors support, I think it should be around RM300 more, right? hmm.gif
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wildwestgoh,

Ok noted.

Then you could recommend a simple and easy to use meant for 1 monitor calibration. What LCD are you using anyway?smile.gif
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post Aug 11 2011, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 11 2011, 09:36 AM)
Oh well, don't tell me need to pay another RM899 to satisfy my dual monitor setup >_<
I'm using ColorEyes Display Pro and using Spyder3Express as my sensor. That software supports multi monitor. So basically I calibrated both monitors but it doesn't match. Hmm, might be some thing I'm missing out.

Also, I have tried to set each as default monitor then calibrate one at a time. Both don't look similar either. (Turning on 1 at a time only..)

Gonna check the detailed settings when I get back home, might be the black and white settings issue perhaps. I left them at default on the program... or maybe its the Gamma... CEDP runs on L* instead of 2.2...
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I see, so you're using dual monitor is it. Sorry didn't notice. Then good luck in your settings and calibration. Why don't you call up DELL technical help line for further assistance? Since your U2412M newly arrived.
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post Aug 11 2011, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Aug 11 2011, 09:51 AM)
Single monitor I think the DELL is doing good smile.gif. After calibrate it removes a slight pinkish tint on mine. More saturated blues. Tried to capture on my camera but can't see differences :S. Now at office sad.gif, eager to go back home to try matching both panels LOL!
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Fair enough. Is it necessary for me to calibrate since my work desktop is single monitor or it has a Auto-Setup something like that? Haha.. I suppose camera cannot capture the distinct difference? Unless is a ultra sharp super camera under conditioning lighting exposure. May be I'm wrong ehehe... Then you apply half-day and during lunch time can ciao balik rumah.
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post Aug 11 2011, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Peculator @ Aug 11 2011, 10:18 AM)
Which one you guys think better?
Dell U2311H v LG IPS236V
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Well in in terms of specifications.

Over all the LG already out do Dell U2311H.

5ms VS 8ms
5,000,000:1 VS 2,000,000:1
250cd/m2, however DELL U2311H is 300cd/m2
Also using IPS Panel and both also hard coated anti-glare 3H compliance

However, DELL's after sale service is tip top where as LG you have to send back to the shop or seek assistance on the internet.

It's ultimately your choice.

Good luck in your purchase.


Added on August 11, 2011, 10:46 am
QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Aug 11 2011, 10:20 AM)
I always like Dell cause of the mount and stand they come with.. adjustable>good looks
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Yo, absolutely right! Their after sale service also readily available for us.

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post Aug 11 2011, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(Racerx @ Aug 11 2011, 10:51 AM)
The U2311H has better stand,better warranty policy and better factory calibration
Comparing dynamic contrast ratio is a waste of time,each manufacturer measures it differently and there's no way a TFT / LCD screen can reach such contrast ratios in the first place. wink.gif
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Fair enough.

I have bought 1 unit of U2412M and is on the way to my office. No doubt DELL's monitor manufacture by third party. It's quality and other facts are good and reasonable.

I'm just giving him a shoulder to shoulder comparison in case he is lazy to find out.


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